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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:27 pm

Does the ideology of Centerlism work? If so please explain why.

I belive that centralism controls to much and doesn't give the right amount of equality.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:29 pm

>"Centrism"
>"Centerlism"
>"Centralism"

Which ideology are you talking about?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:30 pm

Picairn wrote:>"Centrism"
>"Centerlism"
>"Centralism"

Which ideology are you talking about?

Secondarily, what do you mean by "work"?
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Postby Untecna » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:30 pm

Centrism is just an excuse to not form real opinions.
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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:31 pm

Picairn wrote:>"Centrism"
>"Centerlism"
>"Centralism"

Which ideology are you talking about?

Centrism
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:56 pm

Untecna wrote:Centrism is just an excuse to not form real opinions.

Not to mention being handicapped by definitions of the center, or moderate position rarely being accurate and/or honest.
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Postby Herador » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:04 pm

No, not really. Centrists tend to be more concerned with maintaining the status quo, for better or worse, than affecting meaningful change in either direction. Personally I find centrists detestable. Pick a side, even if it's one I disagree with at least have enough of a spine to form an opinion if you're going to bother putting one out there.
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Postby Keltionialang » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:06 pm

No, no it won't.
Centrism is not only cowardly but will inevitably fail. There is no possible way to maintain centrism over a long period of time. Centrism will either be torn apart or drift from the center.

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Postby Adharcaili » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:08 pm

...It works well for me. I kinda just follow the idea of "God gave me two hands, one for each side" sorta thing. If your a wimpy centrist, then yea, you're not gonna stay a centrist long
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Postby Tangatarehua » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:12 pm

If you're talking about 'centralism' then I agree that it doesn't usually work - it results in an easily corruptible centralised government expanding its power far greater than necessary and often making decisions that ignore the needs of various minorities groups (such as, for example, rural interests).

If you're talking about 'centrism' then I'm afraid there's no such thing. The 'centre' of politics shifts according to the times and according to location. For example, if I was American I'd probably be considered a centrist. However in New Zealand I'm considered firmly on the political right. Similarly, today's political 'centre' (the neoliberal consensus) sits far to the right of what was 'centre' 30 years ago (the post-war Keynesian consensus).

Centrism is thus a nebulous concept.

I am very much for syncretism and my own views are syncretic in that I hold some right-wing positions (e.g. immigration, abortion, regulation and environment) and I hold some left-wing positions (e.g. supporting the welfare state) but most people are a mixture of these things and syncretism can take various forms, all of which could arguably be described as centrist despite being the opposite of each other.
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Postby Juansonia » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:19 pm

Are you talking about centrism as a descriptor, or centrism as an ideological goal?

"Centrist" is usually just a descriptor applied to those whose stance falls in the middle of the political spectrum/compass/whatever. This can be due to not caring, prioritising a few specific causes over delusions of political grandeur, or simply having opinions that average out towards the centre.

"Centrism" as an ideology doesn't really exist. The only self-described "Centrists" are either apolitical, antipolitical, or worship an ironically nuance-free concept of nuance. The only other political approaches which can be called centrist are either moderate* stances, the status quo, or proof of how (insert political graphing tool) is flawed**.

*this is sometimes a matter of presentability politics more than having a genuinely moderate opinion.
** The One-line spectrum boils down everything into one sense of "left" or "right". Narrow-issue movements tend to not fall far on this spectrum.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:31 am

Empire of Lettuce wrote:Does the ideology of Centerlism work? If so please explain why.

I belive that centralism controls to much and doesn't give the right amount of equality.

The problem with asking "does centerlism work?" is that centralism isn't an actual coherent ideology. Centurionism can only stand in between two conflicting ideologies, it has no inherent positions. For this reason, caesium as an ideology is purely relative and depends on the environment. What we call "sepsis" today would be considered extremely radical a thousand years ago. And what was thought of as celloist a thousand years ago would be considered extremely radical today. If by "capsicum" you mean "always picking the middle ground between two competing extremes" then obviously cellotape doesn't work.

Now if you were to ask "Does what we today refer to as centipedeism (really a kind of mixed-market social liberalism) work?" That would be an entirely different question.
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Postby Essic » Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:43 am

Gad dang, Does Centrism work? It depends on where you are. For example, the average American centrist would probably like a multicultural mixed-economy state (I'm sorry if I'm incorrect, I'm a pcm amonger) but in Malaysia, if you are moderately capitalist and leaning quite right, trying to reduce taxes and such, that is the norm, centrism.

I used to be a "dead" centrist, picking everything moderately as I thought everyone was extremist and stupid. But at some point, I noticed something, I started leaning right, and highly started to sympathize with conservatives. At some point I turned into a Rashidun Democratic Islamist with Market Ideals, long story short, got bored of being the middleman.

There was this one man who said: "Leftists are Leftists, Rightists are Rightists, Centrists are moderately Rightist". The quote isn't really correct, but isn't inaccurate, either. Does Centrism work? Probably yes, most centrists lean slightly towards the left or the right, which can be beneficial based on which country they are in.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:03 am

Middle of the road seems like a very sensible place to stand until you're hit by a lorry.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:11 am

Page wrote:It works to keep the rich rich and the rest of us a blood pool for their leeching.

Odd metaphor, considering that the leech's alleged victim has nothing for it to subsist, much less advance itself upon, and at a glance, seems to pointlessly attack and attach itself to the impoverished already fattened by some other endeavor.
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Keltionialang wrote:No, no it won't.
Centrism is not only cowardly but will inevitably fail. There is no possible way to maintain centrism over a long period of time. Centrism will either be torn apart or drift from the center.

A lack of conviction, and one of courage are not always the same thing.
The indifference of an otherwise well meaning citizenry, perhaps overwhelmed with the job of keeping their own houses in order, helps to serve the already natural inclination for a society to polarize one way, or another.
Insubstantial fears help, too, so the problem is more one of apathy from both intellectual laziness, or exhaustion in the face of an ideological dynamic that refuses to order itself around common wisdom.
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Postby Andronya » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:16 am

If there is one thing that can unite the Left and the Right it's their shared hatred of Centrism.
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Postby BEEstreetz » Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:31 pm

Keltionialang wrote:No, no it won't.
Centrism is not only cowardly but will inevitably fail. There is no possible way to maintain centrism over a long period of time. Centrism will either be torn apart or drift from the center.

Last sentence correct for the wrong reason. Centrism works excellently as a political strategy in obtaining the median voter support. It's not meant to last. I don't understand why you're attaching normative value (cowardly) to it.

...Anyway, Tangatarehua's reply and Juansonia's reply to this post already elaborate OPs topic/questions well for other readers. Nothing more to add.

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Postby Durius » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:34 am

Untecna wrote:Centrism is just an excuse to not form real opinions.

I don't see that necessarily as a bad thing. Sometimes having some who can govern pragmatically is better than someone who does nothing because they are blinded by ideology.

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Postby Cessarea » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:21 am

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Untecna wrote:Centrism is just an excuse to not form real opinions.

I don't see that necessarily as a bad thing. Sometimes having some who can govern pragmatically is better than someone who does nothing because they are blinded by ideology.

Issue is that centrism, and the people who usually claim to subscribe to it, portrays itself as an ideology. In lieu of studying and developing theoretical knowledge, centrists live in a world of practicality, wherein every separate issue and political point is disassociated from any kind of context. A centrist has an ideology that states they should strive to develop no ideology. It's counterproductive.

And it does seem to usually stem from a lack of experience with politics. I'm young, but when I was younger I used to be a very annoying centrist. The enlightened centrist, if you will. And my theoretical study was complete garbage. Once you start actually understanding things, centrism slowly reveals itself to be what it always was: a comfortable way to not have to choose a theoretical approach to history, sociology, and politics. A way to live without context.
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Postby Durius » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:00 am

Cessarea wrote:A centrist has an ideology that states they should strive to develop no ideology. It's counterproductive.

Why do you think so? The ability to build consensus between different opinions is, in my view, incredibly valuable for politics, be them of a country, of a company, or international politics. I find the idea that you are always stubbornly right on your ideology way more counterproductive, both in governance and in implementing your own policies.

Cessarea wrote:And it does seem to usually stem from a lack of experience with politics. I'm young, but when I was younger I used to be a very annoying centrist.

Again, I frankly disagree. Younger people are often way more ideological and uncompromising, often far-left and, occasionally, far-right. Which makes perfect sense considering the psychological development of late teens and young adults that are often defiant of established powers, a position that is not very compatible with what is usually considered centrism.
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:Middle of the road seems like a very sensible place to stand until you're hit by a lorry.


What does the lorry in your metaphor represent?
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Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Middle of the road seems like a very sensible place to stand until you're hit by a lorry.

What does the lorry in your metaphor represent?

If it were mine, I would say life in general.
It is relentless, and does not allow for indefinite periods of fence sitting, or navel gazing.
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Postby Osmauri » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:08 am

Picairn wrote:>"Centrism"
>"Centerlism"
>"Centralism"

Which ideology are you talking about?

Trying not to laugh in a public space here.

Centrism? Not really a proper ideology per se. Can it "work"? Wdym by this?
If you mean "you can have a functional centrist government running a functional country" then I suppose it works by that definition: a definition that's probably going to be the most used.
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Postby Osmauri » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:10 am

Tangatarehua wrote:If you're talking about 'centralism' then I agree that it doesn't usually work - it results in an easily corruptible centralised government expanding its power far greater than necessary and often making decisions that ignore the needs of various minorities groups (such as, for example, rural interests).

If you're talking about 'centrism' then I'm afraid there's no such thing. The 'centre' of politics shifts according to the times and according to location. For example, if I was American I'd probably be considered a centrist. However in New Zealand I'm considered firmly on the political right. Similarly, today's political 'centre' (the neoliberal consensus) sits far to the right of what was 'centre' 30 years ago (the post-war Keynesian consensus).

Centrism is thus a nebulous concept.

I am very much for syncretism and my own views are syncretic in that I hold some right-wing positions (e.g. immigration, abortion, regulation and environment) and I hold some left-wing positions (e.g. supporting the welfare state) but most people are a mixture of these things and syncretism can take various forms, all of which could arguably be described as centrist despite being the opposite of each other.

Centrism is in my eyes whatever the political center of somewhere's Overton window happens to be.
For example, the Dems would be a centre party in America (and likely a moderate conservative party in Europe). But that's just the problem: "my eyes". Everyone seems to have their own definition for it.
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