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The Mentality of the Willing Space Colonist

Postby Page » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:08 am

What kind of people do you think want to be the very first to live on Mars or the moon or wherever else in the solar system? What does a willingness say about a person's personality, and their values?

It occurs to me that the mindset of a space colonist must be very different than that of one settling on an uncivilized frontier. The settlers of the frontier went into the unknown, went into danger, but they also went into freedom and independence. They risked dysentery and grizzly bears, but they tasted fresh, unpolluted air. They got to enjoy the majesty of nature. Even the desert or the tundra had its splendors.

But Mars? You are living in a pod. You never get to feel the warmth of the sun or a brisk breeze of wind. Your whole world is smaller than a shopping mall. And moreover, you are beholden to far away bosses. You MUST do exactly what you're told, or they can take away your AIR.

You might say "Well, the same goes for astronauts, and lots of great people become astronauts" but astronauts have homes and lives and loved ones waiting for them on Earth. Astronauts are no different than a soldier on a tour of duty or a worker on an oil rig - they have a job, but their job is not their home.

But who in their right mind would sign up for living out their whole lives off of Earth? I posit that it either takes an unwavering altruist, or it takes somebody who never really stopped to think what they're getting themselves into. And I posit that among the people who will be the first space colonists, almost all will consist of the latter group. They may understand the parameters of their life but they haven't thought about it, not really.

And here's something else to chew on. What about the first children born on Mars? What are their parents going to tell them when they grow up and realize there's a whole world of beauty and pleasure that they have never got to take part in? How are they going to tell them that people on Earth get to eat and drink whatever they like in any amount every day? And even if that child could theoretically go move to Earth, everything will be harder for them because their bodies aren't made for its gravity. I find it difficult to believe those children aren't in for a world of mental illness and bitter resentment.

All that said, if we want our species to survive and thrive indefinitely, somebody has to sign up for an awful mockery of a life, because we aren't going from the present day to Star Trek overnight. But that somebody sure as hell won't be me. Will it be you?
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:29 am

Not me, but someone similar, starting with an interesting juxtaposition of non-conformity and not tolerating any politicizing of the math, because their very survival beyond whatever boundary they are stepping past starts in that character foundation.
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Postby Dtn » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:31 pm

What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

The rocket equation is inherently eurocentric and decenters traditional modes of physics.

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Postby USHALLNOTPASS » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:42 pm

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:42 pm

I don't have that mentality, so I couldn't hope to guess at that. And ultimately we'd have habitats in space so large that their open spaces would be enough to suit most people anyway, so it would be a transition period more than anything. In the very long term, the habitable spaces on Earth would be a drop in the bucket compared to the "cleaner" ones constructed out in space, which would collectively exceed Earth's by thousands to one.

Whatever's going on with them though, they'll be blazing the path forwards for all who come after so I have to give them credit in that.
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Postby Juansonia » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:15 pm

Dtn wrote:What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

The rocket equation is inherently eurocentric and decenters traditional modes of physics.

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I have no idea how you can expect anyone to treat your statement seriously.

You believe that one religion (with less than one billionth of humanity as adherents) is entitled to dictate what everyone else does beyond our shared atmosphere.
You outright claim that physics itself is imperialist, and that "traditional modes of physics" should be preserved even when wrong.
You claim that space is inhabited by "Indigenous people and beings", despite the very notion being absurd.
You somehow attribute the notion of "outer space" to White Males, as if Chinese Women and African Enbies don't have a similar understanding of reality.
You repeat the same link three times in repetition, showing that you have a Twatter's understanding of evidentiary standards.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:21 pm

Juansonia wrote:
Dtn wrote:What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

What white males think of as outer space is inhabited by Indigenous people and beings.

The rocket equation is inherently eurocentric and decenters traditional modes of physics.

Acknowledgment: I am living and working as an uninvited intergenerational guest in the traditional galaxy of the Hitchiti people.
I have no idea how you can expect anyone to treat your statement seriously.

You believe that one religion (with less than one billionth of humanity as adherents) is entitled to dictate what everyone else does beyond our shared atmosphere.
You outright claim that physics itself is imperialist, and that "traditional modes of physics" should be preserved even when wrong.
You claim that space is inhabited by "Indigenous people and beings", despite the very notion being absurd.
You somehow attribute the notion of "outer space" to White Males, as if Chinese Women and African Enbies don't have a similar understanding of reality.
You repeat the same link three times in repetition, showing that you have a Twatter's understanding of evidentiary standards.

It seems like a shitpost anyway, may as well regard it as one.
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I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

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Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.

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Postby Juansonia » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:27 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Juansonia wrote:I have no idea how you can expect anyone to treat your statement seriously.

You believe that one religion (with less than one billionth of humanity as adherents) is entitled to dictate what everyone else does beyond our shared atmosphere.
You outright claim that physics itself is imperialist, and that "traditional modes of physics" should be preserved even when wrong.
You claim that space is inhabited by "Indigenous people and beings", despite the very notion being absurd.
You somehow attribute the notion of "outer space" to White Males, as if Chinese Women and African Enbies don't have a similar understanding of reality.
You repeat the same link three times in repetition, showing that you have a Twatter's understanding of evidentiary standards.
It seems like a shitpost anyway, may as well regard it as one.
Citing an academic article is usually beyond shitposter territory, but I also tend to overassume genuinity of belief.

By the way, your nation username is very fitting for this thread.
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Postby Fractalnavel » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:46 pm

Such rosy optimism : )

OP: I think you've misrepresented most of that, except the basic physical premise of being off earth.

Rather than get into particulars ("leave it as an exercise for the reader"), more interesting might be the motivation for that post, and its tone. I could make assumptions, but I think there's too many possibilities to attempt that.

So - why?

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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:19 pm

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Postby Rusozak » Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:50 pm

I remember the abandoned Mars One project that had an ambitious goal of setting up a permanent manned base on Mars with one-way trips. I guess instead of figuring out how to get people off of Mars and back to Earth, they decided to look for people willing to spend the rest of their lives on a desolate rock millions of miles away from anyone else, barring the handful of other colonists. Surprisingly, there were a lot of applicants.

Maybe it's for the best they axed the project. It would have given psychological horror films a run for their money.
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Postby Herador » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:12 pm

I think the initial impetus for becoming a colonist will be the thrill of discovery and doing something never done before, which I think is understandable, it's a drive humans have had since there have been humans. I think the rub is going to be getting people to keep doing it once the initial excitement wears off. sleeping in a cell and recycling your urine sounds cool when you're the first person to do it in that place ever, but I imagine it'll be a harder sell to your average person once the whole endeavor becomes more normalized.

I couldn't do it though, fuck that, I don't even like elevators.
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Postby Page » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:21 am



White males specifically, huh? So if there's a black woman on this forum, everything in that link is gonna totally make sense to her?
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Postby New Ziedrich » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:06 am

There are a lot of people who struggle to find a place to belong to here on Earth, who might be inclined to try to create such a place out in space. Certainly they might be inclined to sign up for this.

Not to mention your typical thrill-seekers and gloryhounds, but that's a given, really.

You kinda make space exploration sound like a scam or something, with that "awful mockery of a life" stuff and excessive romanticization of the beauty and independence of the frontier, and loving families and such. Nature isn't all that great when you're starving or freezing, and not everybody has those precious loving families. Someone upthread mentioned that the Mars One project had significant interest; I just checked, and apparently, over 4,000 people paid a US$5-$75 registration fee just to be considered for the chance at being one of 24 colonists. Of course, Mars One had significant issues and was doomed to failure.

On a more cynical note, should living conditions decline significantly on Earth, you'll likely find a lot more people willing to fling themselves headlong into space in order to escape our hellish, storm-wracked digital panopticon of drudgery and scarcity.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:28 am

"A new life awaits you in the Off-World Colonies.
The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure. Lets go to the Colonies!"

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I always found it kind of charming how that sequence was both relevant to the audacity of some contemporary commercial and political propaganda, as well as outlining that strange, but very human counter intuitiveness that drives some people to leave bad circumstances for worse circumstances to sometimes make better ones than both by the end.
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