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When will mars become fully terraform

Postby Empire of Lettuce » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:15 am

This is a debate about how long you think Mars will become terraform and fully inhabitable.

I think that it would be in the range of 100-1K years from now what about you?
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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:16 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=544914

These is about mars not space
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Postby Gorutimania » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:17 am

Empire of Lettuce wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=544914

These is about mars not space

Mars is in space...
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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:18 am

Gorutimania wrote:
Empire of Lettuce wrote:These is about mars not space

Mars is in space...

I know but these only go over Mars and instead of the missions terraforming the planet.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:20 am

Hopefully never.
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Postby Page » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:26 am

Floating cloud cities on Venus are literally more practical than any colonization of Mars.
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Postby Neovilla » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:38 am

Mars doesn't have an enough atmosphere.

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Postby Lowell Leber » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:40 am

Ifreann wrote:Hopefully never.

Why do you say that?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:43 am

Lowell Leber wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Hopefully never.

Why do you say that?

Terraforming Mars would necessarily entail destroying it as it currently exists.
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Postby Lowell Leber » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:32 am

Ifreann wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:Why do you say that?

Terraforming Mars would necessarily entail destroying it as it currently exists.

How it exists now is useless to anyone.
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Postby Newlandiqia » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:34 am

Safe to say, not anytime soon.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:39 am

Lowell Leber wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Terraforming Mars would necessarily entail destroying it as it currently exists.

How it exists now is useless to anyone.

Not so, and terraforming has mostly been relegated to a sci-fi trope.
For decades now, the real trick being seriously considered is the cheaper, easier, less environmentally impactful method of genetically engineering people to otherwise hostile environments.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:44 am

If we have the capacity to terraform planets that are inherently hostile to our lives, why not just fix the planet that is much less hostile to our lives?

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:49 am

Katganistan wrote:If we have the capacity to terraform planets that are inherently hostile to our lives, why not just fix the planet that is much less hostile to our lives?

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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:10 pm

Katganistan wrote:If we have the capacity to terraform planets that are inherently hostile to our lives, why not just fix the planet that is much less hostile to our lives?

We do not have that ability, nor are we likely ever to.
The scale of the geophysics of a world like ours is not one we can easily quantify, much less industrially match.
We cannot even do that with what to us would be a world ending astral event, but a fart in the wind to the planetary mechanics of the world we could easily be wiped off of.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:19 pm

Lowell Leber wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Terraforming Mars would necessarily entail destroying it as it currently exists.

How it exists now is useless to anyone.

I'm fine with that.
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Postby Washington-Columbia » Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:38 pm

Assuming we start now, we'd likely terraform that red dot in ten-thousand years or so at best. We don't have enough resources to be able to create a atmosphere without harvesting resources from our planets, and Mars doesn't have a magnetic field on, meaning that any atmosphere would be withered away by solar radiation.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sat Feb 24, 2024 2:00 pm

Washington-Columbia wrote:Assuming we start now, we'd likely terraform that red dot in ten-thousand years or so at best. We don't have enough resources to be able to create a atmosphere without harvesting resources from our planets, and Mars doesn't have a magnetic field on, meaning that any atmosphere would be withered away by solar radiation.

Well within that time, we should be able manipulate magnetic fields on a scale, that at first, will shoot down many technological stones weighing down the liberty of safe and speedy interplanetary, and perhaps, interstellar travel.
Manipulating onboard gravity and background radiation, as well as assisting propulsion including inertial dampening, just for starters.
Should the need, or desire for a humanity with Krell scale industrial capability calls for it, Mars, and worlds like it, could have their cores hollowed out and replaced with gyroscopic plants that could magnetically shield, alter radiation spectrums and gravity, as well as aiding in atmospheric manipulation.
Of course, one little thing going wrong tears the planet apart, which would have significant consequences to the whole star system.

Which brings up the question of what happens when the next Chicxulub hits Mars, instead of us, and cracks it in half, and the gravitics of the system shift?
Asteroids out of the belt get pushed and pulled in all directions, our moon gets pushed into Earth, or pulled out of orbit, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.
Dunno, but it will be an interesting looking day.
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Postby Untecna » Sat Feb 24, 2024 2:52 pm

If we're at the point that we have to truly consider changing another planet, we should realize that we fucked up.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:13 pm

Untecna wrote:If we're at the point that we have to truly consider changing another planet, we should realize that we fucked up.

There are too many thing to consider, both foreign and domestic, that could scrape us off this rock like so much moss, to not shop for an insurance policy, so to speak; and it is not like adopting a Luddite styled religion where we pray to Gaia for forgiveness every time we fart is going to deflect any number of these threats.
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Postby Gaybeans » Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:03 pm

I genuinely don't think that is a good use of resources. Like I can understand the glamour of space travel and wanting to see other planets. That's fun. But terraforming an entire planet? That's just science fiction nonsense. I can see bases on it, sure but terraforming it?

Like, how would you even go about that? The entire reason the Earth is the goldilocks zone is because we are neither too close or too far away from the sun. Mars is a dang site further way, meaning temperatures regularly and uniformly dip to -153C (or -225F for the Yanks). Even if we artificially pump the entire atmosphere artificially in order to allow it to absorb infrared and increase overall temperature, there is little stopping this being peeled back off by solar winds (which is the current hypothesis for why there's significantly less atmosphere on Mars currently when it is thought to have been significantly thicker millennia ago). Since Mars has no global magnetic field, it means that the atmosphere can just piss off into space. Alongside solar winds, dust storms are considered a key factor in water loss which, again, not entirely sure how you would counteract that. (And no, detonating nuclear weapons into the ice caps of Mars would not resolve anything. That's an outright daft idea, even before you consider the logistics, especially when the dang place is already pretty radioactive without dropping a nuke on it). Even then, the soil is toxic due to the extremely high levels of chlorine, the atmospheric pressure is abysmal compared to Earth, the vastly reduced levels of gravity and the sheer amount of manpower and resources that would be needed to even test something like CFC flooding is a little nuts. It'd also be dark as heck which means you would also likely need artificial lighting to stop getting SAD and rickets.

There's so many little factors that would make terraforming either extremely difficult with very limited success or just not happening on the other.

edit: also, bold of yall to assume we're gonna survive the ten thousand years, lmao
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:05 pm

Lowell Leber wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Terraforming Mars would necessarily entail destroying it as it currently exists.

How it exists now is useless to anyone.

So are most of us, but nobody tries to melt our polar ice caps.
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:18 pm

I don't think people realize how unsuitable for terraforming Mars really is. Mars has about a third of Earth's gravity and less than 1% of its air pressure. Getting the atmosphere thick enough to create a habitable air pressure is a monumental task. It would be easier to reduce Earth's air pollution to pre-industrial levels. You're never going to see a green Mars where you can walk outside without a suit on.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:19 pm

Genetically tailoring people to other planets is the simpler, cheaper, way to go, and we have more of that knowledge and its application in hand, than planetary engineering.
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