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Should Health Care be free?

Postby Todestruppen » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:16 am

This thread is about if health care should be free NOT DISCUSSING COMMUNISM AND CAPITALISM. I support that health care should be privatized as it would be better for the economy as well as being better than free healthcare. Although free health care is worse than privatized healthcare its FREE, allowing more people to have it.

(I am biased cus a am a ultra-nationalist conservtive American)
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Postby Essic » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:24 am

Depends on the society, but I'd argue yes, it helps the poor and unfortunate ones in debt, it's the state's job to look after its citizens after all. Also, a state should not immediately jump to free healthcare, it should be nationalized slowly and carefully imo, in order to not make any communist-like mistakes if you catch my drift. (btw my intent is not to bash socialism, just saying these kinda policies need to be proper and with checks)
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Postby Todestruppen » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:26 am

Essic wrote:Depends on the society, but I'd argue yes, it helps the poor and unfortunate ones in debt, it's the state's job to look after its citizens after all. Also, a state should not immediately jump to free healthcare, it should be nationalized slowly and carefully imo, in order to not make any communist-like mistakes if you catch my drift. (btw my intent is not to bash socialism, just saying these kinda policies need to be proper and with checks)


I agree with you, but free healthcare should be only in poor nations, like zimbabwe.
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Postby Gaybeans » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:27 am

You're darn right it should be free. Without the NHS, several of my friends and family would have been dead by now, including myself. While I don't especially care about my own continuous existence, I do about my friends and family.
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Postby Essic » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:28 am

Todestruppen wrote:
Essic wrote:Depends on the society, but I'd argue yes, it helps the poor and unfortunate ones in debt, it's the state's job to look after its citizens after all. Also, a state should not immediately jump to free healthcare, it should be nationalized slowly and carefully imo, in order to not make any communist-like mistakes if you catch my drift. (btw my intent is not to bash socialism, just saying these kinda policies need to be proper and with checks)


I agree with you, but free healthcare should be only in poor nations, like zimbabwe.


Why do you think this? Is not more difficult for poor nations to handle free healthcare than rich ones? Does the USA for example, not have any poor lads who require free healthcare?
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Postby Todestruppen » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:29 am

Essic wrote:
Todestruppen wrote:
I agree with you, but free healthcare should be only in poor nations, like zimbabwe.


Why do you think this? Is not more difficult for poor nations to handle free healthcare than rich ones? Does the USA for example, not have any poor lads who require free healthcare?


America should make it less expensive but not free

17.3% of teh american GDP is medical, if gone the GDP would shrink alot!
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Postby Haganham » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:30 am

Workers should be paid fairly so that health care is accessible regardless of whether it is free.
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Postby Neonian Imperium » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:30 am

Of course it should be free (and state-run industry, not private sector-runned), it is a basic human right and it should be free.
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Postby Essic » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:32 am

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Unrelated but why is AN's sig emotional wth
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Postby Omnishadow » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:32 am

Yes. You cannot change my mind. I believe that healthcare is a basic human right.
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Postby Neonian Imperium » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:33 am

Essic wrote:
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Unrelated but why is AN's sig emotional wth

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Postby Essic » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:35 am

When you are rich or upper-middle, healthcare should not be free in your opinion. When you are a tad bit more poor than the usual, you do think it should be pure. This isn't just for healthcare, it is for more issues as well. For example: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is all fine until you're the minority.

So basically, this argument will go on until Yawmul Qiyaamah xD
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Postby Neonian Imperium » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:35 am

Omnishadow wrote:Yes. You cannot change my mind. I believe that healthcare is a basic human right.

I mean, it is, in the recopilaton of basic human rights there is "right to healthcare", so if the healthcare services of a nation are exorbitantly high and a poor people wants to acceed to them but can't because of prices, then he is being privated of this human right.
Also it becomes somewhat elitist, as only rich people could pay them (I'm not a communist).
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Postby Omnishadow » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:36 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:
Omnishadow wrote:Yes. You cannot change my mind. I believe that healthcare is a basic human right.

I mean, it is, in the recopilaton of basic human rights there is "right to healthcare", so if the healthcare services of a nation are exorbitantly high and a poor people wants to acceed to them but can't because of prices, then he is being privated of this human right.
Also it becomes somewhat elitist, as only rich people could pay them (I'm not a communist).

I believe that forcing people to pay for healthcare is just a more subtle version of the purge.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:36 am

From my meager understanding of this subject, if there was less of an upfront cost people would have less of an incentive to avoid seeking treatment early on, allowing some medical conditions to be nipped in the bud early and have a lower overall cost in resources and money to fix.

I may be wrong, but I'm fairly sure that a happy and healthy population is an economically productive one.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:36 am

The idea that as long as you have the dough you get top quality healthcare and if you have nothing you get nothing even if you are actually dying or suicidal is... what's the term... perfectly morally repulsive.
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Postby Bilancorn » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:37 am

personally i think so. While anyone should have more or less success depending on their merits, i do support free universal healthcare: after all, for my personal conception of life all lives matter the same, and as such i see healthcare as a basic human right... i'd say its the only part of my ideology near socialism/communism, despite being right leaning on a general basis.
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Postby Neonian Imperium » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:37 am

Omnishadow wrote:
Neonian Imperium wrote:I mean, it is, in the recopilaton of basic human rights there is "right to healthcare", so if the healthcare services of a nation are exorbitantly high and a poor people wants to acceed to them but can't because of prices, then he is being privated of this human right.
Also it becomes somewhat elitist, as only rich people could pay them (I'm not a communist).

I believe that forcing people to pay for healthcare is just a more subtle version of the purge.

getting rid of the poor by not letting them enter a hospital because it is expensive af and so they will die 1 by 1 of tifus? Wonderful idea, how did I not think of this before?!
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:37 am

Healthcare should be free at the point of delivery, with everybody having equal access to the healthcare they need, and this should be paid for out of taxation.
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Postby DutchFormosa » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:38 am

I'd be willing to pay more taxes if it means I don't have to spend my life savings on medical bills.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:38 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:
Omnishadow wrote:I believe that forcing people to pay for healthcare is just a more subtle version of the purge.

getting rid of the poor by not letting them enter a hospital because it is expensive af and so they will die 1 by 1 of tifus? Wonderful idea, how did I not think of this before?!

How do you think this is a normal and acceptable point of view?
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Postby Neonian Imperium » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:39 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Neonian Imperium wrote:getting rid of the poor by not letting them enter a hospital because it is expensive af and so they will die 1 by 1 of tifus? Wonderful idea, how did I not think of this before?!

How do you think this is a normal and acceptable point of view?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:40 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:How do you think this is a normal and acceptable point of view?

no overpopulation
It was a joke bob.

How do you think this is a normal and acceptable point of view even in jest?
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Postby Essic » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:41 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:getting rid of the poor by not letting them enter a hospital because it is expensive af and so they will die 1 by 1 of tifus? Wonderful idea, how did I not think of this before?!

Too bad capitalist bozo, getting rid of workers = no more cheap workers for your factories!
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Postby Neonian Imperium » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:41 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Neonian Imperium wrote:no overpopulation
It was a joke bob.

How do you think this is a normal and acceptable point of view even in jest?

Idk maybe a rich psycopath has already begun to think about this and it's moving ties in washington to make healthcare more and more expensive.
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