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Why is Homophobia accepted in Islam, but not Christianity

Postby Bayshire » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:15 pm

Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

Christian churches are often told they are not accepting enough, and get condemned for not blessing same sex marriage.

However, if it were to be said that gay people shouldn't be beheaded or thrown off buildings, it would be neocolonialism and a western lens.
My personal opinion is that Muslims are generally given because "it's their faith," and thus they can be openly and violently homophobic.

Christians are called close-minded and backwards for not being gay-friendly


(Please note, I am not Christian or Muslim this is an outside perspective.)

What do y'all think
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:18 pm

Bayshire wrote:Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

Christian churches are often told they are not accepting enough, and get condemned for not blessing same sex marriage.

However, if it were to be said that gay people shouldn't be beheaded or thrown off buildings, it would be neocolonialism and a western lens.

Why so?

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It's not acceptable for anyone to be extremely and openly homophobic.
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Postby Bayshire » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:21 pm

My personal opinion is that Muslims are generally given because "it's their faith," and thus they can be openly and violently homophobic.

Christians are called close-minded and backwards for not being gay-friendly


(Please note, I am not Christian or Muslim this is an outside perspective.)
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:23 pm

Bayshire wrote:My personal opinion is that Muslims are generally given because "it's their faith," and thus they can be openly and violently homophobic.

Christians are called close-minded and backwards for not being gay-friendly


(Please note, I am not Christian or Muslim this is an outside perspective.)

Thanks. :) Edit it into the OP.
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Bayshire wrote:Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

Christian churches are often told they are not accepting enough, and get condemned for not blessing same sex marriage.

However, if it were to be said that gay people shouldn't be beheaded or thrown off buildings, it would be neocolonialism and a western lens.

Why so?

I have an explanation, but it would only be seen as valid through the lens of my religion so take it as you will.

If the Devil were real and Christianity is the one true religion, which of the world religions would he spend the most time attacking? A "fake religion" or the "true religion" that he's opposed to? Of course he'll attack the true religion, otherwise it'd be like a nation at war that bombs it's own capital when there's no valid targets there, instead of attacking the soldiers or capital of the nation they're at war with.

Furthermore if the Devil were real, and had any degree of control or infkuence over people, he would undoubtedly use that control or influence to cause those people to attack the true religion and those that follow it, and we would be fully in favor of people following other religions, since those who do would be treading on, what to him would be "conquered ground" and thus they could be used to his benefit, whether as direct pawns, or just putting more names in Hell rather than Heaven, since one of his goals is to take as many people to Hell as he can before his inevitable demise comes.

Of course I don't necessarily mean any disrespect to the other religions by calling then "false religions" and like I said previously, this view probably only works through the lens of my religion, but still that's the way I see it and that makes sense to me, since otherwise it doesn't make sense why people seem to have a double standard when it comes to Christians vs other religions.

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Postby Gurkland » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:25 pm

I do not think most people here understand that islam just frown up sexuality in general, so even public heterosexual kissings can be considered scandalous in muslim countries, they just have that old calvinist-like and victorian way of thinking, prohibiting alcohol too
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Bayshire wrote:Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

Christian churches are often told they are not accepting enough, and get condemned for not blessing same sex marriage.

However, if it were to be said that gay people shouldn't be beheaded or thrown off buildings, it would be neocolonialism and a western lens.

Why so?

I have an explanation, but it would only be seen as valid through the lens of my religion so take it as you will.

If the Devil were real and Christianity is the one true religion, which of the world religions would he spend the most time attacking? A "fake religion" or the "true religion" that he's opposed to? Of course he'll attack the true religion, otherwise it'd be like a nation at war that bombs it's own capital when there's no valid targets there, instead of attacking the soldiers or capital of the nation they're at war with.

Furthermore if the Devil were real, and had any degree of control or infkuence over people, he would undoubtedly use that control or influence to cause those people to attack the true religion and those that follow it, and we would be fully in favor of people following other religions, since those who do would be treading on, what to him would be "conquered ground" and thus they could be used to his benefit, whether as direct pawns, or just putting more names in Hell rather than Heaven, since one of his goals is to take as many people to Hell as he can before his inevitable demise comes.

Of course I don't necessarily mean any disrespect to the other religions by calling then "false religions" and like I said previously, this view probably only works through the lens of my religion, but still that's the way I see it and that makes sense to me, since otherwise it doesn't make sense why people seem to have a double standard when it comes to Christians vs other religions.

your argument only works until you realize that judaism would be treated about the same as christianity when it comes to homophobia
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There's a difference between not joining in on foreign policy virtue signalling and finding things acceptable. Theocrats aren't American Muslims and if our bitching against foreign ones worked iraq wouldn't hate us right now.
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Postby Bayshire » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:29 pm

Gurkland wrote:I do not think most people here understand that islam just frown up sexuality in general, so even public heterosexual kissings can be considered scandalous in muslim countries, they just have that old calvinist-like and victorian way of thinking, prohibiting alcohol too


That makes sense, but even non-muslims seem to give Muslims "a pass." Like the Queers for Palestine movement. It doesn't make sense to me in that regard
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Bayshire wrote:
Gurkland wrote:I do not think most people here understand that islam just frown up sexuality in general, so even public heterosexual kissings can be considered scandalous in muslim countries, they just have that old calvinist-like and victorian way of thinking, prohibiting alcohol too


That makes sense, but even non-muslims seem to give Muslims "a pass." Like the Queers for Palestine movement. It doesn't make sense to me in that regard

The QfP are the types who go "Palestine is under two apartheid regimes" so i don't what you mean other than not bitching loud enough for you.
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Islamo-Leftism.

You may also recognize it in Palestine stans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamo-leftism
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Ostroeuropa wrote:Islamo-Leftism.

You may also recognize it in Palestine stans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamo-leftism


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Bayshire wrote:Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

Likely because (modern) Muslim-majority countries tend to be highly conservative and, especially in, say, the Middle East (which is the POV I imagine you're viewing this topic from) powerful enough to tightly weave the religion into governmental structure/foundation, so conservative doctrines in Islam stay largely uncontested.
Bayshire wrote:Christian churches are often told they are not accepting enough, and get condemned for not blessing same sex marriage.

By groups within or without the community? I'll admit I don't know much about their reasoning/doctrines, but progressive Christian sects seem to be the only groups calling for queer acceptance; Pope Francis' recent advocacy to that end seems to be driving a stake through Roman Catholicism. I can't personally say I disagree with the progressives here, as the book of Galatians is basically entirely about rejecting Old Testament laws (see: Gal. 2:15-16, 3:10-13, 3:25, 5:1-6), and I haven't seen reasons to differentiate circumcision (explicitly called out) and homosexuality/transsexuality throughout my studies.
Bayshire wrote:However, if it were to be said that gay people shouldn't be beheaded or thrown off buildings, it would be neocolonialism and a western lens.
Why so?

Again, see my prior statement about how Islam (which you seem to be taking a largely Arab-centered view of) currently tends to be woven directly into incredibly conservative governments.
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Sarduri wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Islamo-Leftism.

You may also recognize it in Palestine stans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamo-leftism


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Islamo-Leftism exists my dude.

The advanced version of this particular brain rot is a kind of Campism, where someone goes to bat for Russia, Islamic fundamentalists, China, and Bernie Sanders. Because their brain has broken from hating white people and the west so much.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sarduri wrote:
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Islamo-Leftism exists my dude.

The advanced version of this particular brain rot is a kind of Campism, where someone goes to bat for Russia, Islamic fundamentalists, China, and Bernie Sanders. Because their brain has broken from hating white people and the west so much.

I like Bernie.

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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Islamo-Leftism exists my dude.

The advanced version of this particular brain rot is a kind of Campism, where someone goes to bat for Russia, Islamic fundamentalists, China, and Bernie Sanders. Because their brain has broken from hating white people and the west so much.

I like Bernie.


Do you also support Russia in Ukraine, the Chinese communist party, and Hamas? If not, it's not the same thing.

An Islamo-Leftist is merely "That sort of person" but with the marginal degree of self-awareness such that they aren't also Tankies and Putinists. Just Islamo-Leftists.

Corbyn represents the missing link there. A Putinist, an Islamo-Leftist, and a Bernie stan, though to my knowledge, not a fan of the CCP.
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Bayshire wrote:Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

It's not.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
United Bongo States of the New America wrote:I like Bernie.


Do you also support Russia in Ukraine, the Chinese communist party, and Hamas? If not, it's not the same thing.

China is currently significantly demonized by the capitalists; I embrace Ukraine and a humane "Hamas"

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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sarduri wrote:
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Islamo-Leftism exists my dude.

The advanced version of this particular brain rot is a kind of Campism, where someone goes to bat for Russia, Islamic fundamentalists, China, and Bernie Sanders. Because their brain has broken from hating white people and the west so much.


it really doesn't, in the same way 'Islamofascism' or 'Judeo-Bolshevism' doesn't exist.

the irony here of course is that 'campism' is a real thing, but it's not a leftist position. it's a neoconservative one, popularized in Bush era 'axis of evil' frames where you get 'the free world' 'the axis of evil' and everyone else.

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Postby Uiiop » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Bayshire wrote:Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

It's not.

But every Leftists need to send every Muslim country who oppresses people mean letters every-time they do a bad thing. How else are we supposed to stop them?

Ignore the saudi shaped elephant in the room
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Postby Bayshire » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:52 pm

Difinbelk wrote:
Bayshire wrote:Why is generally viewed as acceptable for Muslims to be extremely and openly homophobic as compared to Christians?

Likely because (modern) Muslim-majority countries tend to be highly conservative and, especially in, say, the Middle East (which is the POV I imagine you're viewing this topic from) powerful enough to tightly weave the religion into governmental structure/foundation, so conservative doctrines in Islam stay largely uncontested.
Bayshire wrote:Christian churches are often told they are not accepting enough, and get condemned for not blessing same sex marriage.

By groups within or without the community? I'll admit I don't know much about their reasoning/doctrines, but progressive Christian sects seem to be the only groups calling for queer acceptance; Pope Francis' recent advocacy to that end seems to be driving a stake through Roman Catholicism. I can't personally say I disagree with the progressives here, as the book of Galatians is basically entirely about rejecting Old Testament laws (see: Gal. 2:15-16, 3:10-13, 3:25, 5:1-6), and I haven't seen reasons to differentiate circumcision (explicitly called out) and homosexuality/transsexuality throughout my studies.
Bayshire wrote:However, if it were to be said that gay people shouldn't be beheaded or thrown off buildings, it would be neocolonialism and a western lens.
Why so?

Again, see my prior statement about how Islam (which you seem to be taking a largely Arab-centered view of) currently tends to be woven directly into incredibly conservative governments.



Sure, but there's an overwhelming pattern of North American and European people (generally leftists) who will condemn the government of Uganda for being homophobic, and say that Palestinians, Bruneians etc are justified in beheading or throwing gay people off buildings.

If they are so allied to gay rights, be consistent
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Postby Eahland » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:53 pm

Bayshire wrote:
Difinbelk wrote:Likely because (modern) Muslim-majority countries tend to be highly conservative and, especially in, say, the Middle East (which is the POV I imagine you're viewing this topic from) powerful enough to tightly weave the religion into governmental structure/foundation, so conservative doctrines in Islam stay largely uncontested.

By groups within or without the community? I'll admit I don't know much about their reasoning/doctrines, but progressive Christian sects seem to be the only groups calling for queer acceptance; Pope Francis' recent advocacy to that end seems to be driving a stake through Roman Catholicism. I can't personally say I disagree with the progressives here, as the book of Galatians is basically entirely about rejecting Old Testament laws (see: Gal. 2:15-16, 3:10-13, 3:25, 5:1-6), and I haven't seen reasons to differentiate circumcision (explicitly called out) and homosexuality/transsexuality throughout my studies.

Again, see my prior statement about how Islam (which you seem to be taking a largely Arab-centered view of) currently tends to be woven directly into incredibly conservative governments.



Sure, but there's an overwhelming pattern of North American and European people (generally leftists) who will condemn the government of Uganda for being homophobic, and say that Palestinians, Bruneians etc are justified in beheading or throwing gay people off buildings.

If they are so allied to gay rights, be consistent

There isn't.
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