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Teacher reads book about acceptance to class, gets fired

Postby Neu California » Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:37 am

And now she's suing.

LGBTQ Nation wrote:A fifth grade teacher is suing the Georgia school district that fired her for reading a “divisive” picture book to her class.

Last August, Katherine Rinderle was fired by the Cobb County School District (CCSD) after a parent complained that she read the book My Shadow is Purple to her fifth grade class at Due West Elementary School the previous March. The book, which Rinderle reportedly purchased at the school’s Scholastic book fair, is written from the perspective of a child who does not conform to gender stereotypes and is about acceptance.

The district said that Rinderle had violated its policies prohibiting teachers from discussing “controversial issues” and from “improperly infringing on parents’ rights to direct the upbringing and moral or religious training of their children.” CCSD adopted the policies in 2022, after Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) signed a trio of laws censoring discussions around race, gender, and sexual orientation in the classroom.

But according to the lawsuit, filed Tuesday, CCSD’s policies do not expressly prohibit discussions of gender identity, gender conformity or nonconformity, or sexual orientation, and do not define terms like “controversial issues.”

Rinderle is joined in the suit by a current CCSD teacher, Tonya Grimmke, and the Georgia Association of Educators (GAE).

“CCSD’s vague censorship policies enable arbitrary, discriminatory, and retaliatory enforcement against educators, like Plaintiffs, who support LGBTQ students,” the lawsuit states. “These opaque policies were used to terminate Rinderle, and pose a continuing threat to other teachers in the school district, including Grimmke and GAE members, and harm Cobb County students’ ability to learn in safe and inclusive classrooms.”

The suit alleges that CCSD’s policies violate the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause, and that Rinderle’s termination constituted illegal retaliation in violation of Title IX. Rinderle is seeking damages as well as full reinstatement at Due West Elementary School.

“The school board’s decision to fire me undermines students’ freedom to learn and teachers’ ability to teach,” Rinderle said in a press release. “Many CCSD educators, including Ms. Grimmke and I, are committed to creating inclusive, diverse and empowering environments free from discrimination and harm, ensuring LGBTQ+ students feel safe, affirmed, and centered in their learning journey, because that is what our children deserve.”

While the lawsuit does not challenge the three Georgia censorship laws, it does seek an injunction blocking CCSD from enforcing its censorship policies.

The suit also alleges a history of anti-LGBTQ+ hostility at CCSD. It notes that three members of the district’s executive cabinet and central office have been affiliated with Gary DeMar, leader of anti-LGBTQ+ group American Vision, who has called for the death penalty for LGBTQ+ people. It also alleges that CCSD teachers and administrators have intentionally deadnamed gender nonconforming students over the past five years.

One defendant named in the suit, former Atlanta Police Department officer and current CCSD executive director for employee relations Christopher Dowd, was found in a separate civil lawsuit to have acted unlawfully for his participation in a 2009 APD raid on an Atlanta gay bar.

“Dowd oversaw and engineered a flawed and misleading investigation of Rinderle’s conduct, which ultimately resulted in her termination for advocating and supporting gender nonconforming and LGBTQ students,” Tuesday’s lawsuit alleges.

“The district’s vague and discriminatory censorship policies are rooted in bigotry and have no place in our schools,” SPLC senior supervising attorney Mike Tafelski said in a statement. “We will continue to hold the district accountable for its ongoing unlawful conduct which harms our students, teachers and community.”

Vague law used to fire a teacher promoting tolerance. Must be a red county.

So, NSG, should teachers be fired for teaching about acceptance and reading books about such to their classes, as happened in this case? Why or why not?

Obviously, I'm going with hell no. As much as conservatives complain about wokeness and other such things, promoting acceptance of others different form us is a critical step forward. suicides amongst LGBT teens is already far higher than other cohorts, and I see this as simply increasing the likelihood of such things, while promoting tolerance and acceptance of LGBT people will help lower it, even as it annoys conservatives who see tolerance and acceptance as a dirty word. Now some people might see those suicides as a good thing (Westboro Baptist, for example), but I sure as hell don't.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:44 am

Didn’t Jesus have something about acceptance?

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Postby Saiwana » Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:53 am

I'm in favor of the firing. We have to accept that perhaps, the real world doesn't just give acceptance by default or as a matter of course, like how the administration running this school didn't like the message the book has.
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Postby Neu California » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:14 am

Saiwana wrote:I'm in favor of the firing. We have to accept that perhaps, the real world doesn't just give acceptance by default or as a matter of course, like how the administration running this school didn't like the message the book has.

An unsurprising post from someone whose ideology focuses on finding an dithering convenient groups to get power.

But please explain , why should someone be attacked for some immutable aspect of their self, such as their sexuality or gender identity?
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:46 am

Saiwana wrote:I'm in favor of the firing. We have to accept that perhaps, the real world doesn't just give acceptance by default or as a matter of course, like how the administration running this school didn't like the message the book has.

The correct response to is to do everything we can to encourage and, pun not intended, engender acceptance. I don't know about you, but I like the idea of caring about other people.
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Postby Allanea » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:54 am

Neu California wrote:And now she's suing.

Vague law used to fire a teacher promoting tolerance. Must be a red county.



Ah yes, a red county that went...

Ah yes, 56% Biden in 2020.

https://results.enr.clarityelections.co ... /#/summary

Well maybe 2020 was a unique year and...

No, Hillary won Cobb County in 2016.
https://results.enr.clarityelections.co ... mmary.html

Moreover, some basic Googling shows that 56% of the county's registered voters are Democrats.
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Postby Neu California » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:50 am

Allanea wrote:
Neu California wrote:And now she's suing.

Vague law used to fire a teacher promoting tolerance. Must be a red county.



Ah yes, a red county that went...

Ah yes, 56% Biden in 2020.

https://results.enr.clarityelections.co ... /#/summary

Well maybe 2020 was a unique year and...

No, Hillary won Cobb County in 2016.
https://results.enr.clarityelections.co ... mmary.html

Moreover, some basic Googling shows that 56% of the county's registered voters are Democrats.

Yet one that obviously implemented Republican/Moms for Liberty style rules.

Meanwhile, do you have anything to contribute to the topic itself? My smartass remark is not the topic.
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Postby Cessarea » Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:20 am

Neu California wrote:
Allanea wrote:
Ah yes, a red county that went...

Ah yes, 56% Biden in 2020.

https://results.enr.clarityelections.co ... /#/summary

Well maybe 2020 was a unique year and...

No, Hillary won Cobb County in 2016.
https://results.enr.clarityelections.co ... mmary.html

Moreover, some basic Googling shows that 56% of the county's registered voters are Democrats.

Yet one that obviously implemented Republican/Moms for Liberty style rules.

Meanwhile, do you have anything to contribute to the topic itself? My smartass remark is not the topic.

I think it's an interesting thing to note, though. The Democratic party is not the party of LGBT rights, acceptance, and social progress. The Democrats are the only reasonable choice left to American queer folk. Much like many liberal movements throughout the globe (usually not carrying the label of liberal, because the USA is weird), minority rights take a backseat to stability and a vague sense of cooperation and "compromise".

Liberals always find a way to place other people's freedom on a timetable, and they make sure to postpone important agendas like that as much as possible.

Being a Republican is not a requirement to being a bigot. Of course, Republican voters are far more likely to not care about minorities, but Democrats are not your friends. They are the enemies of your enemies.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:44 am

Saiwana wrote:I'm in favor of the firing. We have to accept that perhaps, the real world doesn't just give acceptance by default or as a matter of course, like how the administration running this school didn't like the message the book has.


I'm in favor of firing people who are so dedicated to their own hangups and sexual frustrations that they feel the need to fire people they don't agree with.

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As USA is the imperialist superpower, they need to exert over their population a permanent cultural war that benefits capitalists under the guise of freedom. Both democrats and republicans parties receive big money from rich people to push their politicians above. They have media and publicity, but people vote in a mask of legitimacy and think themselves free. Like all the other wrongly called healthy democracies by liberal standards, they're not democracies in the sense of benefitting a majority of its population and being conscious on it, but majority consent that doesn't fully benefit them is allowed.

Notice for example, that in the past Reagan banned guns with the threat of maoists (Black Panthers), but when guns are mostly in the hands of conservative orgs. then they associate it with freedom and autonomy.

The same happens with these social issues. If it's a progressive topic which is taught, then it can be indoctrination or violation of parents' consent. If it's the contrary, then teachers or parents are against freedom of speech or censorship totalitarians.

To keep capitalism going on part of the bourgeoisie wants to use conservatives so that they can pass their ideas as scientific and reject the real scientific ones plus pro-corporation or little enterprise policies; the legal alternative is also the pro-LGTB imperialist section of the bourgeoisie.

When you debate them issues like abortion or LGBT and they want to imply they're scientific, they sometimes support their arguments in anti-LGTB papers coming from private catholic universities (notice here profit interests plus religious conservative dogma) or old far-right tricks of associating homosexuality with pedophilia.

For more information on how the government deceives his population for profit interests and power search JFK declassified papers on Miami bombing, Operation Northwoods and COINTELPRO.

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ML Library wrote:As USA is the imperialist superpower, they need to exert over their population a permanent cultural war that benefits capitalists under the guise of freedom. Both democrats and republicans parties receive big money from rich people to push their politicians above. They have media and publicity, but people vote in a mask of legitimacy and think themselves free. Like all the other wrongly called healthy democracies by liberal standards, they're not democracies in the sense of benefitting a majority of its population and being conscious on it, but majority consent that doesn't fully benefit them is allowed.

Notice for example, that in the past Reagan banned guns with the threat of maoists (Black Panthers), but when guns are mostly in the hands of conservative orgs. then they associate it with freedom and autonomy.

The same happens with these social issues. If it's a progressive topic which is taught, then it can be indoctrination or violation of parents' consent. If it's the contrary, then teachers or parents are against freedom of speech or censorship totalitarians.

To keep capitalism going on part of the bourgeoisie wants to use conservatives so that they can pass their ideas as scientific and reject the real scientific ones plus pro-corporation or little enterprise policies; the legal alternative is also the pro-LGTB imperialist section of the bourgeoisie.

When you debate them issues like abortion or LGBT and they want to imply they're scientific, they sometimes support their arguments in anti-LGTB papers coming from private catholic universities (notice here profit interests plus religious conservative dogma) or old far-right tricks of associating homosexuality with pedophilia.

For more information on how the government deceives his population for profit interests and power search JFK declassified papers on Miami bombing, Operation Northwoods and COINTELPRO.

Communism is just pseudoscience, you are worse than conservatives in this regard because at least they adapt to the current day. You still believe the same outdated ideas that failed, so stop trying to sound smart.

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Cessarea wrote:
Neu California wrote:Yet one that obviously implemented Republican/Moms for Liberty style rules.

Meanwhile, do you have anything to contribute to the topic itself? My smartass remark is not the topic.

I think it's an interesting thing to note, though. The Democratic party is not the party of LGBT rights, acceptance, and social progress. The Democrats are the only reasonable choice left to American queer folk. Much like many liberal movements throughout the globe (usually not carrying the label of liberal, because the USA is weird), minority rights take a backseat to stability and a vague sense of cooperation and "compromise".

Liberals always find a way to place other people's freedom on a timetable, and they make sure to postpone important agendas like that as much as possible.

Being a Republican is not a requirement to being a bigot. Of course, Republican voters are far more likely to not care about minorities, but Democrats are not your friends. They are the enemies of your enemies.

US liberals can be hardly called liberals. They're more like socialists who are ashamed to admit it.

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Postby Neu California » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:31 am

Port Carverton wrote:
Cessarea wrote:I think it's an interesting thing to note, though. The Democratic party is not the party of LGBT rights, acceptance, and social progress. The Democrats are the only reasonable choice left to American queer folk. Much like many liberal movements throughout the globe (usually not carrying the label of liberal, because the USA is weird), minority rights take a backseat to stability and a vague sense of cooperation and "compromise".

Liberals always find a way to place other people's freedom on a timetable, and they make sure to postpone important agendas like that as much as possible.

Being a Republican is not a requirement to being a bigot. Of course, Republican voters are far more likely to not care about minorities, but Democrats are not your friends. They are the enemies of your enemies.

US liberals can be hardly called liberals. They're more like socialists who are ashamed to admit it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennial_socialism
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Neu California wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:US liberals can be hardly called liberals. They're more like socialists who are ashamed to admit it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennial_socialism

Exactly, which is why liberalism needs to be about limited government, free markets and free trade once again instead of the exact opposite that it is in America.

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Absolutely justifiable action. There are a lot of books that a teacher can read out to fifth graders. A book on gender ideology is not one of them.

I fail to understand what is up with liberals and their obsession with exposing minors, literal minors, to things like gender and sexuality. In this particular case, the teacher's action seemed pretty pedophilic to me atleast. She got what she deserved.
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Postby Neu California » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:44 am

Port Carverton wrote:

Exactly, which is why liberalism needs to be about limited government, free markets and free trade once again instead of the exact opposite that it is in America.

Tell that to those Capitalism has left behind

There is no rational reason, of course, for the young to defend this economic system. According to a 2019 poll by the charity Barnardo’s, two-thirds of under-25s believe their generation will be worse off than their parents. Keir Milburn, an academic and the author of Generation Left – which argues widespread leftist sympathies among the young are a modern phenomenon bred by economic conditions – says this pessimism is new. “For someone born in the 60s who came into adulthood, there was a sense of optimism, that things will be better,” he says. “It’s the Enlightenment, modernist attitude that things will get better, society will always generally progress. Now it’s just [the author] Steven Pinker who thinks this.”


Not that economics are on-topic for this thread.
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Sannyamathland wrote:Absolutely justifiable action. There are a lot of books that a teacher can read out to fifth graders. A book on gender ideology is not one of them.

I fail to understand what is up with liberals and their obsession with exposing minors, literal minors, to things like gender and sexuality. In this particular case, the teacher's action seemed pretty pedophilic to me atleast. She got what she deserved.


Define "gender ideology".
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Not just fired, but investigated and/or charged upon conclusion of the investigation.
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Neu California wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:Exactly, which is why liberalism needs to be about limited government, free markets and free trade once again instead of the exact opposite that it is in America.

Tell that to those Capitalism has left behind

There is no rational reason, of course, for the young to defend this economic system. According to a 2019 poll by the charity Barnardo’s, two-thirds of under-25s believe their generation will be worse off than their parents. Keir Milburn, an academic and the author of Generation Left – which argues widespread leftist sympathies among the young are a modern phenomenon bred by economic conditions – says this pessimism is new. “For someone born in the 60s who came into adulthood, there was a sense of optimism, that things will be better,” he says. “It’s the Enlightenment, modernist attitude that things will get better, society will always generally progress. Now it’s just [the author] Steven Pinker who thinks this.”


Not that economics are on-topic for this thread.

None of these things are incompatible with prosperity. In fact Germany recovered after the war due to economically liberal policies under the advice of Wilhelm Röpke. Karl Popper also supported Hayek's ideas since the layyer was not opposed to welfare. Even the response to the Great depression was based on the ideas of social-liberal John Maynard Keynes.

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The Black Forrest wrote:Didn’t Jesus have something about acceptance?

Guy in charge does need to be fired….

Didn't Jesus have something about adultery and fornication too.?
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This book doesn't spread hate nor harm the kids. The school board had no good basis to fire her. This is why all leaders should know, respect, and follow that laws put in order and not make up crap just because they themselves don't like it.
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Postby Neu California » Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:00 am

Sannyamathland wrote:Absolutely justifiable action. There are a lot of books that a teacher can read out to fifth graders. A book on gender ideology is not one of them.

I fail to understand what is up with liberals and their obsession with exposing minors, literal minors, to things like gender and sexuality. In this particular case, the teacher's action seemed pretty pedophilic to me atleast. She got what she deserved.

The only gender politics are the ones pushed by conservatives trying to deny the scientific reality of gender and sex.

Also, I challenge you to.show any expert opinion (as in opinions from child development specialists and psychologists) that reading My Shadow is Purple to kids is in any way pedophilic or that age inappropriate lessons about gender and sexuality has been taught simply by reading that book to fifth graders, an age group older than it was targeted at (preschoolers and kindergarteners).
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Postby Neu California » Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:02 am

Distruzio wrote:Not just fired, but investigated and/or charged upon conclusion of the investigation.

What laws did she break?

And school district policy=/=law.
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Postby Cessarea » Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:12 am

Sannyamathland wrote:Absolutely justifiable action. There are a lot of books that a teacher can read out to fifth graders. A book on gender ideology is not one of them.

I fail to understand what is up with liberals and their obsession with exposing minors, literal minors, to things like gender and sexuality. In this particular case, the teacher's action seemed pretty pedophilic to me atleast. She got what she deserved.

Gender is experienced at a young age. Gender dysphoria also appears at a young age. These are topics that are relevant to children and their livelihoods. Even I experienced it, the feeling of not belonging, of something being wrong. And at the time I didn't even know what "transgender" meant, I don't think I even knew the word existed. The moment I understood what it was, I was able to identify with it. One can only wonder how good it would've been for me if I had known earlier, much earlier than I did.

Gender is not a dirty word, nor a naughty concept. It's an inherent part of the human experience in the modern age. Children experience it. Pretending it doesn't exist does nothing but harm those who really need to understand these ideas, in this case transgender youths. As for sexuality... My Shadow is Purple does not, as far as I'm aware, talk about sexuality. I won't buy the damn book just to disprove an internet claim, but take a gander at the digital sample. It's a book exclusively about gender - and it doesn't even use the word gender. It's a pretty straightforward children's allegory. It's an appropriate way for a book to be relatable for non-binary children. Had I read this in my childhood I'd have been pretty invested in it - far more than the unending boredom my school made me read in earlier years.

By the way, stop using "pedophile" as an insult label. I don't much care about fighting over words, but please, don't corrupt "pedophile" into meaning "whoever disagrees with me". The teacher had no sexual interest in their children, nor did she act in any manner that would lead one to think that. She talked about gender to a class of 10~ year olds, who are - by all accounts - pretty capable of understanding gender beyond biological sex. She wasn't indoctrinating anyone, nor forcing them to be trans. She was presenting them with a story of acceptance and telling them that it's fine to not belong neatly to one gender stereotype. She did not push anyone into being trans - she probably did not so much as say the word - yet here we are. Misusing the word "pedophile" is a horrible misdeed. Don't do it, please. I'm not chastising you for it, I'm pleading for you to reconsider. This is the kind of thing that gets trans people killed on the streets. Confounding transgender sentiments and awareness with pedophilia is a violent tactic that, whether you were aware of it or not, you've used. I hope this is not something you commonly do.
Last edited by Cessarea on Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:13 am, edited 2 times in total.
Completely undecided on everything I guess

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