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[LAST CALL] Consumer Rights Act

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What's your opionion regarding the proposal?

I don't like the idea of consumer rights regulations, in any form.
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No votes
I don't like the proposal currently written, but I am not opposed to consumer rights regulations.
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20%
I like this proposal but it needs more work.
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I like this proposal and I think it's ready to be submitted.
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Total votes : 5

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FlyLands
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[LAST CALL] Consumer Rights Act

Postby FlyLands » Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:25 am

Category: Advancement of Industry/Commercial Enterprise or Regulation/Consumer Protection (which one do you think would be most fitting?, the last one seems better imo)

The World Assembly,

Concerned that the lack of regulations for consumer goods can lead to unfair selling practices;

Believing that it is essential to establish regulations for consumer goods to protect consumers;

Hereby:

1. Defines:
    a. "Consumer Goods" as any product made for the public, including both tangible and digital products but not services. "CG" will be used henceforth to refer to consumer goods,

    b. "Specialized Equipment" as CG that, due to their unique design, functionality, or performance requirements, necessitate the use of non-standardized fasteners. These would be CG where standardized fasteners could compromise the safety, performance, or essential functions. If CG only require non-standardized fasteners for certain parts of CG they must use standardized fasteners everywhere else,

    c. "Personalized" as products for which the consumer has requested and received specific features, options, or modifications beyond the standard configurations offered by the manufacturer which are not easily reversible without significant cost or difficulty;

    d. "Standardized Fasteners" as reusable hardware devices that mechanically connect objects together. These hardware devices must be removable, without influencing the reusability, without tools, a tool or multiple tools supplied with the CG, or with commercially available tools not solely sold by the CG manufacturer,

    e. "Replaceable Spare Parts" as spare parts that can realistically be replaced by the consumer or a repair professional,

    f. "Mark-Up" as the percentage added, excluding any potential taxes, to the total cost of producing, shipping, and handling CG. This percentage represents the profit earned by the company, and

    g. "Repairable CG" as any tangible, manufactured CG made for the public excluding consumable goods, perishable goods, single-use goods, and goods not intended for repeated use.

2. Mandates, from 24 months after the passage of this resolution, all member states and companies to:
    a. Honor a 14-day cooling-off period for CG, going into effect after receiving the CG, in which consumers can return CG without specifying a reason and receive a full refund excluding potential shipping costs, unless:
      I. The CG are perishable or have a limited shelf life,
      II. The CG are personalized,
      III. The CG are purchased from a private individual,
      IV. The CG have suffered damage or have been used in a way that has altered the CG specifications from its original state, not including damage to the packaging or the unsealing of the CG unless the CG value is significantly affected,
      V. The CG are tickets, or
      VI. The CG are downloaded digital media or opened physical media,
    b. Deliver the CG within the specified time frame or if no time frame is specified within 30-days from the date of purchase. If the delivery within said time frame is not possible consumers are always entitled to a full refund, unless the delay is caused by the consumer,

    c. Provide consumers and independent repair professionals with access to necessary repair information for repairable CG, including manuals, schematics, and diagnostic tools,

    d. Assign repairability scores to repairable CG, via a universal system developed and managed by the International Measurements Institute (IMI). It will take into account the ease of repair, the price of first party spare parts, and the price and service of first party repair professionals. This score must be clearly visible before buying the repairable CG,

    e. Prohibit the manufacturer from implementing software locks on repairable CG that prevent independent repairs or the use of non-original parts,

    f. Preserve consumer warranties despite independent or third-party repairs, unless such repairs damage or worsen the CG condition,

    g. Make replaceable spare parts available within two months of the repairable CG release until six years post-discontinuation, with mark-ups not exceeding those on corresponding CG,

    h. Utilize standardized fasteners for repairable CG to facilitate ease of disassembly and reassembly during repair processes. Exemptions are made for specialized equipment, and

    i. Provide consumers with a warranty of 2 years or longer, starting from the date of arrival. During this period, customers can return CG that are defective or exhibit performance issues, with the company paying potential shipping costs. The company must then either provide a full refund including any potential shipping costs or repair the CG. The company does not have to provide any refunds or repairs if the defects or performance issues are caused by intentional or accidental damage that occurs post-production to the CG unless said damage is a direct result of the improper design or manufacturing of the CG. This also applies to used products if they are sold by a company and not by a private individual. The company handling the CG at any stage in the process, is held responsible for damages that occur during the time they are handling the CG.

This bill was originally called the Consumer Goods Act and featured safety and consumer rights laws, since it was too long I've split it up. This is just the Rights Act. See the Consumer Safety Act here
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[DRAFT] Consumer Goods Act

Postby FlyLands » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:39 am

Maybe I should also add requirements on how to deal with waste resulting from consumer goods? And I should probably specify standardized connectors and fasteners. Point 2b. should probably also be more detailed. What do you think?

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Postby FlyLands » Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:21 am

*Bump*

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Postby The Overmind » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:36 pm

Support in principle, but I feel like this does too much. I have to marinate on the rest of the proposal, but let's start here:

FlyLands wrote:k. Ensure that the consumers warranties are not voided if they choose to repair their products independently or through third-party services


While I understand the spirit of this clause, it is unfair to the original manufacturer that repairs rendered through third-party services may worsen the condition of the product or render it unsafe, such that, when the warranty is utilized, they are faced with making far more expensive repairs or replacing the entire product, when they could have repaired the issue themselves much more inexpensively had the warranty been utilized in the first place.
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Postby Stella Nera » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:38 pm

I like how this proposal is specifically directed to humans. Full support for human supremacy!
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Compromise on other non-human sapient entities is possible, with limitations, but not on these buckets of bolts. They should serve humanity and have absolutely no place in society other than as our servants. Think of the benefits of this. Plus, they would almost certainly overtake humanity if we gave them the chance, whether out of pure advanced abilities or malice, or worse, both. Think of humanity.

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Postby The Overmind » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:44 pm

Stella Nera wrote:I like how this proposal is specifically directed to humans. Full support for human supremacy!


Rights of Sapient Species

"Hereby Declares that any sapient beings found inside member nations are not to be denied any of the rights guaranteed to humans or sapient beings by existing international laws[...]"
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Postby FlyLands » Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:59 pm

The Overmind wrote:Support in principle, but I feel like this does too much. I have to marinate on the rest of the proposal, but let's start here:

FlyLands wrote:k. Ensure that the consumers warranties are not voided if they choose to repair their products independently or through third-party services


While I understand the spirit of this clause, it is unfair to the original manufacturer that repairs rendered through third-party services may worsen the condition of the product or render it unsafe, such that, when the warranty is utilized, they are faced with making far more expensive repairs or replacing the entire product, when they could have repaired the issue themselves much more inexpensively had the warranty been utilized in the first place.


Yes I understand that might be a problem, I can add: unless said repair results in damage, worsens the condition or renders the consumer goods unsafe,
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Postby Lans Isles » Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:38 am

Stella Nera wrote:I like how this proposal is specifically directed to humans. Full support for human supremacy!

"Sapient Being" as any physical entity possessing the ability to:

Think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic;

Choose a sensible course of action or considered response;

Experience subjectively, feel, or recognize, discern, envision, understand, or attain awareness of.
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Postby FlyLands » Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:09 am

The Overmind wrote:
Stella Nera wrote:I like how this proposal is specifically directed to humans. Full support for human supremacy!


Rights of Sapient Species

"Hereby Declares that any sapient beings found inside member nations are not to be denied any of the rights guaranteed to humans or sapient beings by existing international laws[...]"


Sorry, does that mean I have to include all sapient beings in all parts of this law? Because things like a risk to human health can't really apply to robots
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Postby The Overmind » Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:37 am

FlyLands wrote:
The Overmind wrote:
Rights of Sapient Species

"Hereby Declares that any sapient beings found inside member nations are not to be denied any of the rights guaranteed to humans or sapient beings by existing international laws[...]"


Sorry, does that mean I have to include all sapient beings in all parts of this law? Because things like a risk to human health can't really apply to robots


I was just reminding Stella Nera that all international law that applies to humans automatically applies to all sapient beings. But, while we are on the subject, sapient AI, "robots" are still consumers and still exposed to the risks -- be they financial or physical -- of consumer goods.
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Postby FlyLands » Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:22 am

*Bump*

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Postby Repreteop » Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:36 pm

I was just about to write something on this, are you interested in working together?
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Postby FlyLands » Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:13 am

Repreteop wrote:I was just about to write something on this, are you interested in working together?

Sounds good! How would we work together exactly? Can i make a post that you can edit too or how?

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Postby Repreteop » Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:17 am

FlyLands wrote:
Repreteop wrote:I was just about to write something on this, are you interested in working together?

Sounds good! How would we work together exactly? Can i make a post that you can edit too or how?


I'll look over and try to make a improvised version, give me a while.
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Postby FlyLands » Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:18 am

Repreteop wrote:
FlyLands wrote:Sounds good! How would we work together exactly? Can i make a post that you can edit too or how?


I'll look over and try to make a improvised version, give me a while.

Okay sounds good!

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Postby Billyabna » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:37 am

wonderful draft, instantly 200 times better than mine.


wondering if this has been submitted yet
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Postby Fachumonn » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:47 am

Would check the character count on this.
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Postby FlyLands » Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:16 am

Billyabna wrote:wonderful draft, instantly 200 times better than mine.


wondering if this has been submitted yet

Thanks for the compliment! No it hasn't been submitted yet Repreteop offered to look through it and provide an improved version, after that I'll check the adjustments and submit it if I think it's good. If you want you can also check for problems or recommend adjustments, if you add some good stuff I'll add you in as co-author.

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Postby FlyLands » Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:22 am

Fachumonn wrote:Would check the character count on this.

Is there a maximum character count?

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Postby Goobergunchia » Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:34 pm

FlyLands wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:Would check the character count on this.

Is there a maximum character count?

Yes, 5000.

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Postby FlyLands » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:02 pm

Goobergunchia wrote:
FlyLands wrote:Is there a maximum character count?

Yes, 5000.

This has been an OOC post.

Ah shit okay. I'll try to make it fit because it's about 8000 now.

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Postby FlyLands » Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:05 am

FlyLands wrote:
Goobergunchia wrote:Yes, 5000.

This has been an OOC post.

Ah shit okay. I'll try to make it fit because it's about 8000 now.

I decided to split it in two different proposals and replace consumer goods with "CG" and remove the compliance part as there already are resolutions handeling that part I think
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Postby Fachumonn » Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:48 pm

There is so much to give feedback on, but if you are writing two different proposals you should probably make two different threads?
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Postby FlyLands » Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:58 pm

Fachumonn wrote:There is so much to give feedback on, but if you are writing two different proposals you should probably make two different threads?

Yeah that makes sense. I'll keep this as the consumer rights one and make a new one for the safety standards.

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Postby FlyLands » Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:46 pm

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