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"Coyote vs. Acme" cancelled, Zaslav's lambasted left & right

Postby Stratonesia » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:24 am

You heard that right. The animated (+ live-action) film "Coyote vs. Acme", starring John Cena, is about to be shelved forever by Warner Bros. Discovery by February 2024.

The damn film costed $70 million to make and WB just wants to dispose it all because they couldn't find any distributor for it. $70 million down the drain.

Yet another lost media for us again. David Zaslav makes Angra Mainyu and Darkseid look like toddlers.

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Postby New Ziedrich » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:28 am

Zaslav is one of the worst things to happen to modern media. I can't wait for his career to come to an abrupt and ignominious end!
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:28 am

Apparently Zaslav doesn't understand that if you release films they make you money and that can be more than the tax breaks you get for writing the film off.

This is why WB is going bankrupt under him.
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Postby Stratonesia » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:36 am

Vassenor wrote:Apparently Zaslav doesn't understand that if you release films they make you money and that can be more than the tax breaks you get for writing the film off.

This is why WB is going bankrupt under him.

If WB goes bankrupt, what'll happen to DC, their animation franchises or Cartoon Network?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:10 pm

Stratonesia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Apparently Zaslav doesn't understand that if you release films they make you money and that can be more than the tax breaks you get for writing the film off.

This is why WB is going bankrupt under him.

If WB goes bankrupt, what'll happen to DC, their animation franchises or Cartoon Network?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:05 pm

Not that I want to give Zaslav the benefit of the doubt, but given how hard the premise is to do and not be an awkward and painful exercise to watch there is the very real possibility that it couldn't find a distributor because it sucks outloud.
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Postby Erosodom » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:01 pm

There's upcoming Animation Guild-AMPTP negotiations so they might demand something preventing this from happening again
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:05 pm

I'll be the devil's advocate here: this is WB's intellectual property. If they don't want it distributed, that's their call.

And that's why the current intellectual property regime really needs major reform. This is far from "encouraging creativity and innovation"

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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:08 pm

I am going to blame ACME for this. If it wasn't for their ACME Executive and Decision-Making Package, none of this would have happened.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:23 pm

Erosodom wrote:There's upcoming Animation Guild-AMPTP negotiations so they might demand something preventing this from happening again

As cool as that would be there's very little chance that would ever happen in a million years.

If, if, someone has enough clout they'll get a clause similar to 'pay or play' where they'll get a pay out if it doesn't get released. But there's no way that a production company is going to give up their ability to shelve a movie to cut their losses. Or any number of other things that can come up.

Hell, the fact that movies can die during production has lead to completion bonds or insurance.
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Postby Minoa » Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:47 am

Diarcesia wrote:I'll be the devil's advocate here: this is WB's intellectual property. If they don't want it distributed, that's their call.

And that's why the current intellectual property regime really needs major reform. This is far from "encouraging creativity and innovation"

The copyright term should be cut to 50 years after the author's death, or fifty years after publication. Then we can make our own Coyote vs. Acme.

The big copyright holders like RIAA think that we should be nothing more than obedient consumers with no independent thought, and that just plays into the intolerant conspiracy theories from the likes of InfoWars.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:36 pm

Minoa wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:I'll be the devil's advocate here: this is WB's intellectual property. If they don't want it distributed, that's their call.

And that's why the current intellectual property regime really needs major reform. This is far from "encouraging creativity and innovation"

The copyright term should be cut to 50 years after the author's death, or fifty years after publication. Then we can make our own Coyote vs. Acme.

The big copyright holders like RIAA think that we should be nothing more than obedient consumers with no independent thought, and that just plays into the intolerant conspiracy theories from the likes of InfoWars.

Your conspiracy theory about the RIAA plays into the intolerant conspiracy theories from other people? Trippy.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Minoa wrote:The copyright term should be cut to 50 years after the author's death, or fifty years after publication. Then we can make our own Coyote vs. Acme.

The big copyright holders like RIAA think that we should be nothing more than obedient consumers with no independent thought, and that just plays into the intolerant conspiracy theories from the likes of InfoWars.

Your conspiracy theory about the RIAA plays into the intolerant conspiracy theories from other people? Trippy.

The conspiracy theorists tend to target big corporations, so …
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:44 pm

Minoa wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Your conspiracy theory about the RIAA plays into the intolerant conspiracy theories from other people? Trippy.

The conspiracy theorists tend to target big corporations, so …

RIAA isn't a corporation.
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Postby Sauros » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:48 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Not that I want to give Zaslav the benefit of the doubt, but given how hard the premise is to do and not be an awkward and painful exercise to watch there is the very real possibility that it couldn't find a distributor because it sucks outloud.

Test screenings were apparently overwhelmingly positive. And Zaslav never even watched it!
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Sauros wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Not that I want to give Zaslav the benefit of the doubt, but given how hard the premise is to do and not be an awkward and painful exercise to watch there is the very real possibility that it couldn't find a distributor because it sucks outloud.

Test screenings were apparently overwhelmingly positive. And Zaslav never even watched it!

Probably doesn't watch most of what his company makes.
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Postby Querria » Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:53 pm

Stratonesia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Apparently Zaslav doesn't understand that if you release films they make you money and that can be more than the tax breaks you get for writing the film off.

This is why WB is going bankrupt under him.

If WB goes bankrupt, what'll happen to DC, their animation franchises or Cartoon Network?


It'll get taken over by disney, who'll hand off the properties to kathleen kennedy, who in turn will make everything lame.
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Postby TheKeyToJoy » Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:09 pm

Of course I can’t see an Acme and Coyote movie starring John Cena.
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