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Hospitals owned by private equity are harming patients

Postby Neu California » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:33 pm

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Ars Technica wrote:Private equity firms are increasingly buying hospitals across the US, and when they do, patients suffer, according to two separate reports. Specifically, the equity firms cut corners, slash services, lay off staff, lower quality of care, take on substantial debt, and reduce charity care, leading to lower ratings and more medical errors, the reports collectively find.

Last week, the financial watchdog organization Private Equity Stakeholder Project (PESP) released a report delving into the state of two of the nation's largest hospital systems, Lifepoint and ScionHealth—both owned by private equity firm Apollo Global Management. Through those two systems, Apollo runs 220 hospitals in 36 states, employing around 75,000 people.

The report found that some of Apollo's hospitals were among the worst in their respective states, based on a ranking by The Lown Institute Hospital Index. The index ranks hospitals and health systems based on health equity, value, and outcomes, PESP notes. The hospitals also have dismal readmission rates and government rankings. The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) ranks hospitals on a one-to-five star system, with the national average of 3.2 stars overall and about 30 percent of hospitals at two stars or below. Apollo's overall average is 2.8 stars, with nearly 40 percent of hospitals at two stars or below.

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The other report, a study published in JAMA late last month, found that the rate of serious medical errors and health complications increases among patients in the first few years after private equity firms take over. The study examined Medicare claims from 51 private equity-run hospitals and 259 matched control hospitals.

Specifically, the study, led by researchers at Harvard University, found that patients admitted to private equity-owned hospitals had a 25 percent increase in developing hospital-acquired conditions compared with patients in the control hospitals. In private equity hospitals, patients experienced a 27 percent increase in falls, a 38 percent increase in central-line bloodstream infections (despite placing 16 percent fewer central lines than control hospitals), and surgical site infections doubled.

"These findings heighten concerns about the implications of private equity on health care delivery," the authors concluded.

It also squares with PESP's investigation, which collected various data and media reports that could help explain how those medical errors could happen. The report found a pattern of cost-cutting and staff layoffs after private equity acquisition. In 2020, for instance, Lifepoint cut its annual salary and benefit costs by $166 million over the previous year and cut its supply costs by $54 million. Staff that remained at Apollo's hospitals were, in some cases, underpaid, and some hospitals cut services, including obstetric, pediatric, and psychiatric care.

Another pattern was that Apollo's hospitals were highly indebted. According to Moody's Investor Services, Apollo's ScionHealth has 5.8 times more debt than income to pay that debt off. Lifepoint's debt was 7.9 times its income. Private equity firms often take on excessive debt for leveraged buyouts, but this can lead cash to be diverted to interest payments instead of operational needs, PESP reported.

Apollo also made money off the hospitals in sale-leaseback transactions, in which it sold the land under the hospitals and then leased it back. In these cases, hospitals are left paying rent on land they used to own.

Specific hospitals
PESP noted some particularly disturbing examples of conditions in some of Apollo's hospitals. One hospital in North Carolina— Lifepoint’s Wilson Medical Center—drew federal and state regulatory attention for a string of worsening conditions in 2022. North Carolina Department of Justice opened an investigation noting a decrease in available hospital beds, chronic understaffing, a decrease in treatment for low-income patients, and effective denials of care to those who couldn't pay for essential treatments.

The CMS also investigated the hospital that year, highlighting that a patient died after a fall at the facility, another died after a heart monitor was disconnected, and a suicidal patient locked himself in a bathroom and threatened to overdose on medication the hospital staff should have previously confiscated.

Meanwhile, at Lifepoint’s Ottumwa Regional Health Center in southeast Iowa, a nurse practitioner was found in late 2022 to have sexually assaulted nine unconscious patients at the hospital between 2021 and 2022. Police learned of the assaults after the nurse practitioner died of an overdose at the hospital. His phone contained photos and video evidence of the assaults.

Congressional scrutiny
The case drew the attention of Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) in early 2023, who questioned whether Apollo's financial maneuvers led to lower quality care and conditions in which the assaults could take place.

"When I see the type of tragic lapses that occurred at Ottumwa Regional…it raises serious questions with respect to whether these hospitals have the right resources or if they are being loaded with overwhelming amounts of debt to the point where they are forced to shift money away from patient care,” Grassley said at the time. “When multiple financial transactions involving the same hospital systems occur, patients can get lost in the equation."

Apollo did not immediately respond to Ars' request for comment. In an emailed statement, Lifepoint told Modern Healthcare that PESP's report is inaccurate or lacks appropriate context, arguing that its ownership structure has helped the system "invest in our communities, services and people and advance access to quality care."

Last month, Grassley, ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, and Chair Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) opened a bipartisan investigation into the impacts of private equity ownership on US hospitals.

"As private equity has moved into health care, we have become increasingly concerned about the associated negative outcomes for patients," Whitehouse said in a statement. "From facility closures to compromised care, it’s now a familiar story: private equity buys out a hospital, saddles it with debt, and then reduces operating costs by cutting services and staff—all while investors pocket millions. Before the dust settles, the private equity firm sells and leaves town, leaving communities to pick up the pieces."


Hmm, running something with inelastic demand (healthcare) and lives on the line for pure profit causes harm. Who would've thunk?

So, NSG, should private equity firms, only motivated by profit, be allowed to own hospitals? And should we start nationalizing hospitals where patient results considerably worsen over the course of a few years?

My answer to those questions is hell no and hell yes. Profit should not be part of the healthcare equation, period. Especially not as the main concern, as in the case of a private equity firm.
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I think we should make nationalization illegal worldwide and instead have healthcare similar to what Switzerland has.
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Postby Neu California » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:16 am

Port Carverton wrote:I think we should make nationalization illegal worldwide and instead have healthcare similar to what Switzerland has.

Even when all signs and statistics suggest that government run healthcare is better for patients and have better outcomes?
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Neu California wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:I think we should make nationalization illegal worldwide and instead have healthcare similar to what Switzerland has.

Even when all signs and statistics suggest that government run healthcare is better for patients and have better outcomes?

I'm sure the government is willing to pay people to make itself look good and make people reliant on it. :roll:

Not to mention, government run healthcare is very dysfunctional here up north. Thousands of Ontarians died waiting for healthcare in 2022.

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Postby Neu California » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:31 am

Port Carverton wrote:
Neu California wrote:Even when all signs and statistics suggest that government run healthcare is better for patients and have better outcomes?

I'm sure the government is willing to pay people to make itself look good and make people reliant on it. :roll:


And I'm sure you can prove that the government is making it look good instead of it actually being g better :roll:

Not to mention, government run healthcare is very dysfunctional here up north. Thousands of Ontarians died waiting for healthcare in 2022.


Prove it and prove that it's the government's fault, preferably in a way that can only be fixed with the system you advocate for.

if you want to simp for the government, fine. But don't get other people involved in it.


And if you want to skip for money grubbing corporations while ignoring the statistical reality, fine, but don't get other people involved in it.
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Postby Port Carverton » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:39 am

Neu California wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:I'm sure the government is willing to pay people to make itself look good and make people reliant on it. :roll:


And I'm sure you can prove that the government is making it look good instead of it actually being g better :roll:

Not to mention, government run healthcare is very dysfunctional here up north. Thousands of Ontarians died waiting for healthcare in 2022.


Prove it and prove that it's the government's fault, preferably in a way that can only be fixed with the system you advocate for.

if you want to simp for the government, fine. But don't get other people involved in it.


And if you want to skip for money grubbing corporations while ignoring the statistical reality, fine, but don't get other people involved in it.

The government has frequently abused its power. It would not be unreasonable to conclude that government run healthcare is a plot for control of the population. For example, euthanasia here in Canada is pretty much a plot to get rid of the disabled and poor.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/ ... ystem.html Canada's system must be publicly administrated, meaning it is pretty much controlled by government, secondly https://ca.news.yahoo.com/wait-times-su ... uywy0IvDFe here's a source citing another source of 11k ontarians dying waiting for surgery.

You don't have to choose either ;)
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Postby Bilancorn » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:43 am

As a right-leaning person, i agree. I see healthcare as a human right, not as an economic business, and i believe that is one of the few "industry" where the government must have full (or at least very large) control of the sector.
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Postby Neu California » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:03 am

Port Carverton wrote:
Neu California wrote:
And I'm sure you can prove that the government is making it look good instead of it actually being g better :roll:



Prove it and prove that it's the government's fault, preferably in a way that can only be fixed with the system you advocate for.



And if you want to skip for money grubbing corporations while ignoring the statistical reality, fine, but don't get other people involved in it.

The government has frequently abused its power.


And corporations haven't? They do it all the time, in fact

It would not be unreasonable to conclude that government run healthcare is a plot for control of the population. For example, euthanasia here in Canada is pretty much a plot to get rid of the disabled and poor.


So, we're jumping to unverifiable conspiracy theories now? :rofl: No, seriously, this is so ridiculous and unhinged that I'm genuinely laughing as I type this. If it's not unreasonabnle to conclude that, then I assume you have some damn solid sources showing that. So, I say, put up or shut up.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-health-care-system.html Canada's system must be publicly administrated, meaning it is pretty much controlled by government,


No duh.

secondly https://ca.news.yahoo.com/wait-times-su ... uywy0IvDFe here's a source citing another source of 11k ontarians dying waiting for surgery.


Meanwhile, in the states:

A growing number of Americans are delaying important medical care because of the high cost of treatment, a new survey shows.

In 2022, 38% of Americans said they or a family member skipped or delayed medical care, amid the highest rate of inflation in more than 40 years, according to an annual health care poll from Gallup.

The jump reflects an increase of 12 percentage points compared to 2021 and marks the highest year-to-year increase in Americans delaying health care, including evaluations, treatments and procedures, since Gallup began conducting the poll in 2001.

The previous high was 33% of Americans in both 2014 and 2019 who said they avoided medical care because of cost. Over the previous two years, 26% of Americans — the lowest share since 2004 — said they delayed seeking care for either themselves or a family member.

Worryingly, 27% of respondents said the treatments they skipped were for "very" or "somewhat" serious conditions or illnesses. Eleven percent said they neglected to pursue care for non-serious illnesses.


So, 3 and a half percent, of the population roughly waiting for surgeries vs. 38 precent roughly who can't even get healthcare or must delay it due to costs. Hmm, tough to decide which health system I'd rather have.

You don't have to choose either ;)


And yet you choose the worse option.
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Neu California wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:The government has frequently abused its power.


And corporations haven't? They do it all the time, in fact

It would not be unreasonable to conclude that government run healthcare is a plot for control of the population. For example, euthanasia here in Canada is pretty much a plot to get rid of the disabled and poor.


So, we're jumping to unverifiable conspiracy theories now? :rofl: No, seriously, this is so ridiculous and unhinged that I'm genuinely laughing as I type this. If it's not unreasonabnle to conclude that, then I assume you have some damn solid sources showing that. So, I say, put up or shut up.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-health-care-system.html Canada's system must be publicly administrated, meaning it is pretty much controlled by government,


No duh.

secondly https://ca.news.yahoo.com/wait-times-su ... uywy0IvDFe here's a source citing another source of 11k ontarians dying waiting for surgery.


Meanwhile, in the states:

A growing number of Americans are delaying important medical care because of the high cost of treatment, a new survey shows.

In 2022, 38% of Americans said they or a family member skipped or delayed medical care, amid the highest rate of inflation in more than 40 years, according to an annual health care poll from Gallup.

The jump reflects an increase of 12 percentage points compared to 2021 and marks the highest year-to-year increase in Americans delaying health care, including evaluations, treatments and procedures, since Gallup began conducting the poll in 2001.

The previous high was 33% of Americans in both 2014 and 2019 who said they avoided medical care because of cost. Over the previous two years, 26% of Americans — the lowest share since 2004 — said they delayed seeking care for either themselves or a family member.

Worryingly, 27% of respondents said the treatments they skipped were for "very" or "somewhat" serious conditions or illnesses. Eleven percent said they neglected to pursue care for non-serious illnesses.


So, 3 and a half percent, of the population roughly waiting for surgeries vs. 38 precent roughly who can't even get healthcare or must delay it due to costs. Hmm, tough to decide which health system I'd rather have.

You don't have to choose either ;)


And yet you choose the worse option.

Oh so that makes it better :roll:

http://www.ccdonline.ca/en/humanrights/ ... -29Jan2020 no actually, the UN condemned Canada over its euthanasia laws. This is not a conspiracy, you're just falling for the propaganda of Canada being better.

So it is a problem of cost, then surely you would have no problem with a mandatory insurance model like they do in Switzerland or the Netherlands as it remains affordable in those countries?

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Postby Neu California » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:11 am

Also I'
d like to note the difference in results between US and Canada healthcare:

Ross University wrote:How does the United States rank in healthcare in the world?
Of the 11 countries included in the Commonwealth Fund study mentioned above, the United States spends by far the most on healthcare—18.3% of its gross domestic product (GDP). But Americans also get by far the least return on their investment. The U.S. healthcare system finished 11th out of 11 in the rankings, and the results show it was a very distant 11th place. In fact, the United States finished so far behind 10th-place Canada that it had to be excluded from the survey average because it skewed the numbers for the other countries.

So, the U.S. healthcare system does not compare favorably with other high-income countries. But what about individual U.S. states? The Commonwealth Fund ranked all 50 U.S. states according to healthcare access, quality, use of services, costs, health disparities, reproductive care and women’s health, and health outcomes. In 2023, the nation’s best state health systems were Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont. Each of those states incorporate one or more of the Commonwealth Fund secrets to healthcare success. The lowest-ranking state health systems were Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Mississippi. It does matter which state you call home, but healthcare access and quality in the United States also vary greatly according to race, ethnicity, income, and level of education.


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Postby Durius » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:11 am

Neu California wrote:So, NSG, should private equity firms, only motivated by profit, be allowed to own hospitals?

Yes, of course.

And should we start nationalizing hospitals where patient results considerably worsen over the course of a few years?

No. If you want hospitals under national control, build them from scratch.
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Postby Gaybeans » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:12 am

Might be a bit on the hyperbole but I'm very thankful for the NHS. I'd probably be deid before now without the extensive adolescent and adult psychiatric services.

It's not perfect and the whole damn thing is being deliberately underfunded to allow back door privatisation. My point still stands.
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Port Carverton wrote:I think we should make nationalization illegal worldwide and instead have healthcare similar to what Switzerland has.

So nationalised insurance?

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Celritannia wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:I think we should make nationalization illegal worldwide and instead have healthcare similar to what Switzerland has.

So nationalised insurance?

Does it count as nationalised if it is privately run? From my understanding, you are forced to buy insurance and companies cannot profit from the basic insurance plan mandated by the government, which does not seem like nationalization to me, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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Port Carverton wrote:I think we should make nationalization illegal worldwide and instead have healthcare similar to what Switzerland has.

So partially nationalized healthcare?
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Port Carverton wrote:
Celritannia wrote:So nationalised insurance?

Does it count as nationalised if it is privately run? From my understanding, you are forced to buy insurance and companies cannot profit from the basic insurance plan mandated by the government, which does not seem like nationalization to me, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Insurance does not equal the whole healthcare system.

Insurance might be privatised (though it's done better there than here) but the health system itself generally... isn't.
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Celritannia wrote:So nationalised insurance?

Does it count as nationalised if it is privately run? From my understanding, you are forced to buy insurance and companies cannot profit from the basic insurance plan mandated by the government, which does not seem like nationalization to me, but correct me if I'm wrong.


The government regulates how much insurance companies can charge, meaning the free market is regulated.
Therefore it is nationalised Insurance because the insurance is regulated by the Government and every person must have it by law, which is the basis for the Bismarck Model of Universal Healthcare.
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Osmauri wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:Does it count as nationalised if it is privately run? From my understanding, you are forced to buy insurance and companies cannot profit from the basic insurance plan mandated by the government, which does not seem like nationalization to me, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Insurance does not equal the whole healthcare system.

Insurance might be privatised (though it's done better there than here) but the health system itself generally... isn't.

From what I'm reading, there is no public option and it is privately funded. I still don't see how it is partially nationalized.
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Port Carverton wrote:
Neu California wrote:
And corporations haven't? They do it all the time, in fact



So, we're jumping to unverifiable conspiracy theories now? :rofl: No, seriously, this is so ridiculous and unhinged that I'm genuinely laughing as I type this. If it's not unreasonabnle to conclude that, then I assume you have some damn solid sources showing that. So, I say, put up or shut up.



No duh.



Meanwhile, in the states:



So, 3 and a half percent, of the population roughly waiting for surgeries vs. 38 precent roughly who can't even get healthcare or must delay it due to costs. Hmm, tough to decide which health system I'd rather have.



And yet you choose the worse option.

Oh so that makes it better :roll:


No, but I'll tell ypou right now I trust a democratically elected government more than a faceless corporation that simply seeks to maximize profits, no matter who suffers.

http://www.ccdonline.ca/en/humanrights/endoflife/Media-Release-29Jan2020 no actually, the UN condemned Canada over its euthanasia laws. This is not a conspiracy, you're just falling for the propaganda of Canada being better.


First, bad legislation is bad, but not a reason to condemn the whole heathcare system unless you can tie it to the whole healthcare system, which you have not done. Second, there's no mention of poor people in that source, and third, American healthcare is horrible compared to Canadfian healthcare. I might point out that this is in all tracked measures, as seen here. Note that Canada is the second worst of the ten countries mentioned and is still miles better than number 11, the US.

So it is a problem of cost, then surely you would have no problem with a mandatory insurance model like they do in Switzerland or the Netherlands as it remains affordable in those countries?


No, because an insurance scheme will likely fall harder on those with the lowest incomes, and have the least ability to pay. If it's done by taxes, the burden is much lighter on those least able to pay.

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Postby Edush » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:31 am

I think it's pretty clear that privately owned hospitals need to cut corners and what not in order to make a bigger profit and that's hurting the patients' quality of healthcare. I don't say they should be banned, but they should clearly be limited and state-run hospitals should be of the highest quality possible.
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Postby Port Carverton » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:31 am

Celritannia wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:Does it count as nationalised if it is privately run? From my understanding, you are forced to buy insurance and companies cannot profit from the basic insurance plan mandated by the government, which does not seem like nationalization to me, but correct me if I'm wrong.


The government regulates how much insurance companies can charge, meaning the free market is regulated.
Therefore it is nationalised Insurance because the insurance is regulated by the Government and every person must have it by law, which is the basis for the Bismarck Model of Universal Healthcare.

Nationalization is not when you regulate the market.
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Postby Tundra Terra » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:35 am

A side point one may consider:

Many healthcare staff in the U.S. are required to sign non-competition agreements that are active while employed and last for a few years after leaving said employer. Specialists on the other hand they don't try to sideswipe as they are desperately needed.

Many such staff complain about said unfair treatment as the law therefore encourages, "Socialism for thee, Capitalism for me" type situations to become the industry standard as essentials get slashed and non-essentials get pay bonuses. Or how the medical licensing boards (run by the government mind you) intentionally roadblock doctor promotions to maintain their own ridiculous salaries.
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Postby Celritannia » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:37 am

Port Carverton wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
The government regulates how much insurance companies can charge, meaning the free market is regulated.
Therefore it is nationalised Insurance because the insurance is regulated by the Government and every person must have it by law, which is the basis for the Bismarck Model of Universal Healthcare.

Nationalization is not when you regulate the market.

Forcing people to buy health insurance that is regulated is a form of nationalisation. There is no freedom to deny health insurance.

And again, as people have pointed out, healthcare in general is publically funded, even if insurance isn't.
The US needs the Bismarck model, but one more aligned with Germany than Switzerland.

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Postby Port Carverton » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:37 am

Neu California wrote:
Port Carverton wrote:Oh so that makes it better :roll:


No, but I'll tell ypou right now I trust a democratically elected government more than a faceless corporation that simply seeks to maximize profits, no matter who suffers.

http://www.ccdonline.ca/en/humanrights/endoflife/Media-Release-29Jan2020 no actually, the UN condemned Canada over its euthanasia laws. This is not a conspiracy, you're just falling for the propaganda of Canada being better.


First, bad legislation is bad, but not a reason to condemn the whole heathcare system unless you can tie it to the whole healthcare system, which you have not done. Second, there's no mention of poor people in that source, and third, American healthcare is horrible compared to Canadfian healthcare. I might point out that this is in all tracked measures, as seen here. Note that Canada is the second worst of the ten countries mentioned and is still miles better than number 11, the US.

So it is a problem of cost, then surely you would have no problem with a mandatory insurance model like they do in Switzerland or the Netherlands as it remains affordable in those countries?


No, because an insurance scheme will likely fall harder on those with the lowest incomes, and have the least ability to pay. If it's done by taxes, the burden is much lighter on those least able to pay.

I didn't. You did

Stats say otherwise.

Government is also faceless and doesn't care about you, except people justify it because it is legitimized through the will of the people.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/137 ... worldwide/ according to Statista Swiss Healthcare is miles better than Canadian Healthcare.

In Switzerland the basic insurance plan is affordable, seems like a good deal to me.

You do know I chose Switzerland and not the US, right?
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