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Should 18- people be allowed to be transgender?

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Should under 18s be allowed to be trans?

Hell no! Not even different clothes!
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Definitely no. But, they can wear different clothes
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Enh, I don’t know
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Yes! But only in more subtle changes that can be reversed
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101%! TRANS RIGHTS!!
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Should 18- people be allowed to be transgender?

Postby Serbian E » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:01 am

Now, I have been seeing some discussion on this godforsaken subject, and have been looking through forums for one on this. But, since I haven’t seen one yet, here it is.

Now, my opinion on this is that no, under 18 should not be able to change gender. I have a good reason for this though. We are Kids under 18. We make dumb decisions that could ruin our life. Like, I remember that when I was 3, I wanted to be a girl. I even told my parents. Now, I am glad I did not make that decision. I am friends with a Boy that was a girl, and they did surgery when she/he was 13 because her/his parents wanted the best for her/him
Now, they completely regret that, and it has ruined his life, because he was bullied, and he started to want to change back, and since they did the permanent surgery, he can’t.

This is just my take on it, and I feel that Adults can make that decision because they are more rational then kids and teens.

Now, what’s your take on it? (Now why do I have that feeling that I’m going to get a little chat with a mod….)

EDIT: Now, let me say something because I am seeing some posts about that that could not happen. I meet him at 17! I am a over 20 now, and I don’t know if he was LYING, or forgot that year (but that is prob not true idk)
From now on, ignore that part and more put it as a example.
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Postby Trump Almighty » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:07 am

I agree with your assessment

I believe that while minors have every right to identify as a different gender than what they were born as, I also don’t believe they have the mental capacity to undergo gender reassignment surgery. The safety of puberty blockers and sex hormones, while less drastic of measures, are still inconclusive.

Your friend is in a difficult situation that is unfortunately not uncommon. The number of transgender individuals who wish to detransition is at a record high, and I’m guessing many of these individuals underwent the process before they turned 18. Being said, I wish the best for you and your friend
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Postby Eragon Island » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:09 am

No. They should only be allowed to transition at 16+. At any younger than that and humanity is to stupid.
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Postby East Wabbinge » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:09 am

I agree with Serbian E (unintentional rhyme :) ).

Children should not dictate their gender or similar things, as they cannot think rationally, unlike adults. If children feel the same way when they become adults, then they can take a decision.
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Postby Bilancorn » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:13 am

in Bilancorn (which reflect my RL view) they can do whatever they want after they turn 18. Before, no since they are not considered mature enough (yep i completely agree with what you said). Also Non-binary is used only for people with intersexual conditions proved medically, not at will.
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Postby Durius » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:13 am

If their parents allow, yes. Otherwise, they should either reach legal age or get earlier emancipation. It's not up to the state to nanny and tell parents or their kids if they are doing something stupid or not. The state should mind its own business and stop overreaching.

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Postby Unclear » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:16 am

Eragon Island wrote:No. They should only be allowed to transition at 16+. At any younger than that and humanity is to stupid.

I agree man, adults have a lot more mental capability than a 13 year old child. I think the same thing as Serbian E.
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Postby Eragon Island » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:16 am

Unclear wrote:
Eragon Island wrote:No. They should only be allowed to transition at 16+. At any younger than that and humanity is to stupid.

I agree man, adults have a lot more mental capability than a 13 year old child. I think the same thing as Serbian E.


Yeah. Though 16+ is better than 18+.
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Postby Lollipop Torture Force » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:18 am

Nope. Can't provide proper full consent that an adult can. When you have reached the age of legal majority and can get a tattoo.
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Postby Bigpipstan » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:20 am

Trump Almighty wrote:I believe that while minors have every right to identify as a different gender than what they were born as, I also don’t believe they have the mental capacity to undergo gender reassignment surgery. The safety of puberty blockers and sex hormones, while less drastic of measures, are still inconclusive.


I gotta agree with you on this.
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Postby Puppet 4 Sweden » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:24 am

No

If you can’t have sex, drink, join the military, drive, get a tattoo or smoke, why would you be able to do a permanent, life changing surgery which if you are still in school, and a not so good one, there’s a high chance you’ll be bullied about and/or you’ll regret it?

Even at 18 you aren’t fully developed, at 25 is when your brain is fully matured, but at least you still have some common sense. Young people are stupid and I say that as a young person.

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Postby Sky Reavers » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:24 am

Nah. Sure, I say "Trans rights" sometimes, but one gotta be reasonable about that. Such surgery and hormonal treatment is a very serious and irreversible decision after all. I mean, currently, it's a very complex array of procedures, that has many side effects many of which are unstudied and can lead to severe health complications. Thus, it shouldn't be done to kids, only to consenting adults.

Also, this intrusion can royally mess up child's development and growth. Especially in teens. So, parents forcing a boy to become a girl through surgery is a no-no if ya' ask me! So, in my opinion, this sort of surgery should be allowed only for consenting adults.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:25 am

Serbian E wrote:I am friends with a Boy that was a girl, and they did surgery when she/he was 13 because her/his parents wanted the best for her/him

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Postby Durius » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:26 am

Puppet 4 Sweden wrote:No

If you can’t have sex, drink, join the military, drive, get a tattoo or smoke, why would you be able to do a permanent [...]

Depending on the country one or several of those can be done before reaching adulthood, so your premise isn't even satisfied.

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Postby Destinach » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:10 pm

I agree with Serbian E, although I feel like they should be allowed to Transgender at 21, as the brain is still not fully developed at 18 while 21 is way more mature since it has more grey mass, it's a neurological and psychological thing.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:12 pm

The Question in the title makes no sense, people either are or are not trans. As to transition, do you mean social transition, choosing their name, their clothes, using whichever restroom matches with their gender, etc? Are you talking about puberty blockers? Oh also, do not lie as you did in the OP.
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Postby Diaboland » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:13 pm

Yes. I know several people who realized they were trans when they were young and got gender affirming care. They are all clearly happier now and no complications have arisen.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:15 pm

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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:15 pm

Trump Almighty wrote:I agree with your assessment

I believe that while minors have every right to identify as a different gender than what they were born as, I also don’t believe they have the mental capacity to undergo gender reassignment surgery. The safety of puberty blockers and sex hormones, while less drastic of measures, are still inconclusive.

Your friend is in a difficult situation that is unfortunately not uncommon. The number of transgender individuals who wish to detransition is at a record high, and I’m guessing many of these individuals underwent the process before they turned 18. Being said, I wish the best for you and your friend

Honestly your first paragraph is my thoughts verbatim.

Minors should be allowed to socially transient such as choosing a new name and having new clothes but physically they should wait till they are an adult.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:18 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Trump Almighty wrote:I agree with your assessment

I believe that while minors have every right to identify as a different gender than what they were born as, I also don’t believe they have the mental capacity to undergo gender reassignment surgery. The safety of puberty blockers and sex hormones, while less drastic of measures, are still inconclusive.

Your friend is in a difficult situation that is unfortunately not uncommon. The number of transgender individuals who wish to detransition is at a record high, and I’m guessing many of these individuals underwent the process before they turned 18. Being said, I wish the best for you and your friend

Honestly your first paragraph is my thoughts verbatim.

Minors should be allowed to socially transient such as choosing a new name and having new clothes but physically they should wait till they are an adult.


I assume puberty blockers are ok?
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:20 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Honestly your first paragraph is my thoughts verbatim.

Minors should be allowed to socially transient such as choosing a new name and having new clothes but physically they should wait till they are an adult.


I assume puberty blockers are ok?

Eeeehhhh…

Idk.

I think Puberty blockers are FDA approved specifically for early puberty, not for transitions.
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:20 pm

Flip a coin. If it's heads, do the surgery. If it's tails, wait until they're 18.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:22 pm

Eternal Algerstonia wrote:Flip a coin. If it's heads, do the surgery. If it's tails, wait until they're 18.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:23 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I assume puberty blockers are ok?

Eeeehhhh…

Idk.

I think Puberty blockers are FDA approved specifically for early puberty, not for transitions.


There are a lot of drugs that are used outside FDA approval. The initial intention was to prevent precocious puberty, yes. Using it longer simply means that a person does not go through puberty until later. So far the biggest effect we have seen is a possibility of lower bone density, something that can be helped using other medication.
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Postby Simonia » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:24 pm

I disagree. Not all kids make dumb decisions. I get made fun of because Simonia's leader is a kid and other people think having a kid leader is dumb and that's the most inaccurate thing ever. People can be whatever gender they want no matter what and if somebody regrets a gender change, they can just change back. And if a transgender person gets bullied, it's the fault of the bullies as anyone can be bullied no matter what.
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