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American Politics: Jimmy Carter lives ONE MORE YEAR!!!!

Postby Makko Oko » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:09 am

I noticed we were nearing 500 pages so I ramped up my mind to anticipate the end of 2023...and with that, welcome to hell comrades (election year)! I will be your host for the first part of our entrance into the asylum that will ultimately lock us up in this year's upcoming presidential elections. Currently for election predictions we have Joe Biden, our resident Democrat protecting us from the gates of hell, missing 4-5% off of the top of his head to be able to win the next election, according to J.L Partners. Trump on the other hand has had the angel by its neck for the past lemme count here...two...three...six...seven national polls. Don't be asking me about New Hampshire though!

Alright with all the depression masked by humor out of the way let's move on to the fun stuff! R E F E R E N D U M S!!!!!!!!!! Let's overview here:

























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Postby Bradfordville » Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:04 am

I'm first in the thread. And we are a mere 2 days away from 24.. Brace yourselves. It's coming.
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Postby Kalaron » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:41 pm

Oh boy I can't wait to hate everyone politically before selling my vote to the least terrible person

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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:16 pm

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but won’t banning him from primaries in some states set a bad precedent?

What’s stopping Alabama, or Texas or some other red state from banning random Democratic candidates from the primary for bs reasons? Now obviously trump was banned from the primaries in Colorado and Maine for a legitimate reason, but still it sets a bad precedent.
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Postby Bradfordville » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:22 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:I hate trump as much as the next guy, but won’t banning him from primaries in some states set a bad precedent?

What’s stopping Alabama, or Texas or some other red state from banning random Democratic candidates from the primary for bs reasons? Now obviously trump was banned from the primaries in Colorado and Maine for a legitimate reason, but still it sets a bad precedent.


See, unlike trump, Biden didn't actually commit an insurrection or treason. And because of that, if republican bureaucrats accuse Biden of selling out America, we can use the lasso of truth to force them to admit that they don't have the standing to purge him from the ballots.

Whats that? The lasso of truth isn't real?
Huh?
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Weird seeing a different op


Well, it's not like I own the IP or anything.


Great work on the ballot measures, Makko. Be sure to update them as needed.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:27 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:I hate trump as much as the next guy, but won’t banning him from primaries in some states set a bad precedent?

What’s stopping Alabama, or Texas or some other red state from banning random Democratic candidates from the primary for bs reasons? Now obviously trump was banned from the primaries in Colorado and Maine for a legitimate reason, but still it sets a bad precedent.


See, unlike trump, Biden didn't actually commit an insurrection or treason. And because of that, if republican bureaucrats accuse Biden of selling out America, we can use the lasso of truth to force them to admit that they don't have the standing to purge him from the ballots.

Whats that? The lasso of truth isn't real?
Huh?

Once again, if states can ban a criminal candidate for legitimate reasons, they can probably ban an innocent candidate for false reasons.
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:34 pm

Has anyone figured anti-trump write-in candidates in case the red states succeed in removing Biden? I was thinking Warnock or Whitmer
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:37 pm

Uiiop wrote:Has anyone figured anti-trump write-in candidates in case the red states succeed in removing Biden? I was thinking Warnock or Whitmer

All the democratic candidates are a joke.

Like all we have is Williamson, who into some hippy crystal astrology stuff.

Colonel West is also running, but he’s a socialist so he won’t win, he could get into congress if he is lucky, cus Bernie pulled that one off.
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:38 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Has anyone figured anti-trump write-in candidates in case the red states succeed in removing Biden? I was thinking Warnock or Whitmer

All the democratic candidates are a joke.

Like all we have is Williamson, who into some hippy crystal astrology stuff.

Colonel West is also running, but he’s a socialist so he won’t win, he could get into congress if he is lucky, cus Bernie pulled that one off.

Write in candidates are by their very nature people who aren't on the ballot already. It's kinda a rare option but who know what they say about weird times.
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Postby Bradfordville » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:40 pm

Uiiop wrote:Has anyone figured anti-trump write-in candidates in case the red states succeed in removing Biden? I was thinking Warnock or Whitmer


What happens if you write in biden?
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:40 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:All the democratic candidates are a joke.

Like all we have is Williamson, who into some hippy crystal astrology stuff.

Colonel West is also running, but he’s a socialist so he won’t win, he could get into congress if he is lucky, cus Bernie pulled that one off.

Write in candidates are by their very nature people who aren't on the ballot already.

Yeah but they won’t win. Not enough people are gonna put in write in candidates. It’s 100% gonna be Biden vs Trump again, which might push voters over the edge and riots far worse than J6 will occur.
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Postby Bradfordville » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:42 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
See, unlike trump, Biden didn't actually commit an insurrection or treason. And because of that, if republican bureaucrats accuse Biden of selling out America, we can use the lasso of truth to force them to admit that they don't have the standing to purge him from the ballots.

Whats that? The lasso of truth isn't real?
Huh?

Once again, if states can ban a criminal candidate for legitimate reasons, they can probably ban an innocent candidate for false reasons.


The big issue is that they're banning a candidate based on a group of people saying "he committed insurrection/treason, and the 14th Amendment says we can ban him for that." But without something like an actual conviction for insurrection, who's to say someone can't abuse the term to throw almost anyone off of a ballot? This idea that the trump problem can be solved with the 14th Amendment is gonna blow up in the faces of those wistfully thinking that he can be defeated by being blocked from running altogether.
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:42 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Has anyone figured anti-trump write-in candidates in case the red states succeed in removing Biden? I was thinking Warnock or Whitmer


What happens if you write in biden?

In theory the vote will just be thrown in the trash.
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:43 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Write in candidates are by their very nature people who aren't on the ballot already.

Yeah but they won’t win. Not enough people are gonna put in write in candidates. It’s 100% gonna be Biden vs Trump again, which might push voters over the edge and riots far worse than J6 will occur.

I'm discussing what to do in the scenario in which red states succeed in throwing Biden off the ballot. You might have a point still tho.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:44 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Has anyone figured anti-trump write-in candidates in case the red states succeed in removing Biden? I was thinking Warnock or Whitmer


What happens if you write in biden?


New Hampshire will find out in a few weeks. He's going to be a write-in candidate there.
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Postby Bradfordville » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:48 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
What happens if you write in biden?


New Hampshire will find out in a few weeks. He's going to be a write-in candidate there.


Wait, what happened in NH where biden is now a write in candidate?
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:52 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
New Hampshire will find out in a few weeks. He's going to be a write-in candidate there.


Wait, what happened in NH where biden is now a write in candidate?

It appears to just "he didn't even want to fight these losers so he never signed up for it" rather than GOP action per se. Hmm...
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:56 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:20th!

8th replier, actually. But that's a better number anyways.
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Postby ARIsyan- » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:59 pm

Bro what is with the amount of state lottery referendums
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:00 pm

ARIsyan- wrote:Bro what is with the amount of state lottery referendums

It's an excuse to cut taxes and to cut funding.
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Postby Southland » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:07 pm

Last on first!

...this year is going to be a shitshow, isn't it?
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