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[Draft] Commend United Empire of Islam

Postby The Pakistani Federation » Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:36 am

Hey folks, been sitting on this one for a while, and would appreciate any help or feedback.

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The Security Council,

Recognizing the United Empire of Islam (UEI) as a noteworthy and vibrant region with incredible achievements that has stood resilient, especially in the face of adversities and has never lost its shine,

In admiration of the fact that for the past decade, the UEI has not only thrived but has stood as a shining example of an active, diverse, and democratic Islamic community. The commitment to democratic principles, inclusivity, and utmost dedication within the community has undoubtedly contributed to fostering unity and a fraternal atmosphere among its members,

Impressed with the diversity of residents in the UEI in terms of cultural backgrounds and perspectives, is a source of strength. Differing perspectives on governance, and political thought have moulded the UEI into the region it is today boasting residents from all walks of life, some of the all-time greats include:

-Kawther, one of the earliest pioneers of the UEI who was responsible for the first merger that gave the UEI the diverse community it has today, Kawthers contributions to the region have been countless, from helping draft the UEI’s first regional constitution to helping man defender missions in allied regions.

-Western Arab Empire (WAE), a symbol of stability and progress within the region, WAE was among the very first newcomers to the region, yet helped write and publish the first regional constitution, established judicial guidelines in the region to settle disputes among residents, WAE is renowned as the UEI’s longest serving WA Delegate serving over 622 days in just one tenure, his constant victories in regional elections manifest the residents trust in his governance.

-Slovenya, who was the region's first elected female WA delegate, one of the founding members of the UEI whose contributions have been numerous, creating the first regional map, Slovenya spearheaded the UEIs newly fledgling foreign affairs department resulting in ties which lasted for years to come.

Celebrating many others; Mishalle, and those who are no longer with us, Awas, Al Meajilia, Kwadai, United-Hayat, Turkhestan, Al Asad Caliphate, Armisael, who helped shape the UEI, their contribution will never be forgotten

Noting that the UEI whilst being NationStates' premier Islamic region is not only open to Islamic nations but also welcomes nations of all kinds. The region held its first democratic elections over a decade ago setting a rich tradition that is still practiced today,

Applauding the residents of the UEI for their commitment to the region and doing their part in maintaining a presence internationally and providing discourse from an Islamic point of view, giving a diverse outlook to the NationStates community, the region's commitment to rational dialogue is a reflection of the values that underpin a lively and progressive community,

Further appreciating the region of the UEI, which has been the largest and continuously active Islamic community in NationStates, withstanding the scourge of inactivity and raids over the years and remaining steadfast in the face of adversity,

Convinced that the UEI deserves recognition for being a commendable example of utmost resilience. The region's commitment to democracy, cooperation with other regions, active involvement within the NationStates community by being a signatory of the landmark Interregional Cooperation Treaty (ICT) 2016 which established political, social and military cooperation between the UEI and its gallant allies, the Central Pacific Empire (CPE), Commonwealth of Crowns (CoC) and The Radiant (former), as well as being a member of Pro-Life International joined by fellow allied regions namely, Catholic, Coalition of Catholic states, Kaiserreich, League of Christian Nations and Right to Life. The UEI’s dedication to interfaith dialogue and progressive values make it a model community that contributes significantly to the diverse broader NationStates community,

Hereby commends the United Empire of Islam.
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An initial and quick read is favourable but the devil, as they say, is in the detail. First of all there’s a lot of repetition, lot of filler so not great writing.

Secondly, there’s the illegalities and there’s a few of them. Mention of players (R 2(a)), mention of other faiths is probably R 2(b), while the trolling etc., is an R 3(b) violation.

So, overall, this is going to need a lot of work if you want it to go anywhere.
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Postby The Pakistani Federation » Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:54 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:An initial and quick read is favourable but the devil, as they say, is in the detail. First of all there’s a lot of repetition, lot of filler so not great writing.

Secondly, there’s the illegalities and there’s a few of them. Mention of players (R 2(a)), mention of other faiths is probably R 2(b), while the trolling etc., is an R 3(b) violation.

So, overall, this is going to need a lot of work if you want it to go anywhere.


Thank you for reading it, I will take your feedback onboard and make some changes :)
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Postby The Pakistani Federation » Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:56 pm

Updated draft after some feedback.

The Security Council,

Recognizing the United Empire of Islam as a noteworthy and vibrant region with incredible achievements that has stood resilient, especially in the face of adversities and has never lost its shine,

In admiration of the fact that for the past decade, the United Empire of Islam has not only thrived but has stood as a shining example of an active, diverse, and democratic Islamic community. The commitment to democratic principles, inclusivity, and utmost dedication within the community has undoubtedly contributed to fostering unity and a fraternal atmosphere among its members,

Impressed with the diversity of the United Empire of Islam in terms of cultural backgrounds and perspectives, is a source of strength. Embracing and celebrating this diversity is a key component of a thriving democracy, and the United Empire of Islam serves as a shining example of the positive impact such inclusivity can have on societal harmony,

Noting that the United Empire of Islam whilst being Nationstates premier Islamic region is not only open to Islamic nations but also welcomes nations of all kinds and has maintained years-long close ties with other conservative and non-conservative regions. The region held its first democratic elections over a decade ago setting a rich tradition that is still practiced today,

Applauding the residents of the United Empire of Islam for their commitment to the region and doing their part in maintaining a presence internationally and providing discourse from a conservative and Islamic point of view, giving a diverse outlook to the Nationstates community, the region's commitment to rational and interfaith dialogue is a reflection of the values that underpin a lively and progressive community,

Further appreciating the region of the United Empire of Islam, which has been the largest and continuously active Islamic community in Nationstates, withstanding the scourge of inactivity and raids over the years and remaining steadfast in the face of adversity,

Convinced that the United Empire of Islam deserves recognition for being a commendable example of utmost resilience. The region's commitment to democracy, cooperation with other regions, active involvement within the Nationstates community, and dedication to interfaith dialogue make it a model conservative community that contributes significantly to the diverse broader Nationstates community,

Hereby commends the United Empire of Islam.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:31 pm

You could just abbreviate "United Empire of Islam" to "UEI" after its first use instead of having to hyperlink the full region name every single time.

"Nationstates premier Islamic region" should be "NationStates' premier Islamic region." In general, all references to "Nationstates" should instead be to "NationStates."

Can you give some examples of "the diversity of the United Empire of Islam in terms of cultural backgrounds and perspectives?" How have these differing perspectives made UEI the region it is today? Who are some of the all-time greats of the UEI community and what actions did they take to make the region great?

Is there a need to clarify that UEI has relations "with other conservative and non-conservative regions" or is "a model conservative community" in itself? The vast majority of nations and regions on NS are either left-wing or not obviously political, so leaning into UEI's conservatism may not be the best idea.

How has UEI shown "active involvement within the Nationstates community?" The most prominent member of UEI I can think of is Islamic Holy Sites (Muqaddasia), who mostly takes part in International Incidents roleplays on a non-regional basis.
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Ostrovskiy wrote:Obama giving a medal to Obama moment (ur the regional secretary)

Except the "medal" is a commendation to the region and its residents who made it what it is today, thanks for your very observant and informed input but some feedback would be better appreciated lol
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The Pakistani Federation wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:Obama giving a medal to Obama moment (ur the regional secretary)

Except the "medal" is a commendation to the region and its residents who made it what it is today, thanks for your very observant and informed input but some feedback would be better appreciated lol


So basically what I think Ostrovskiy is getting at, in the SC, self commends (including someone commending their own region) is frowned upon.
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Astrobolt wrote:
The Pakistani Federation wrote:Except the "medal" is a commendation to the region and its residents who made it what it is today, thanks for your very observant and informed input but some feedback would be better appreciated lol


So basically what I think Ostrovskiy is getting at, in the SC, self commends (including someone commending their own region) is frowned upon.


direct self commendation is loathsome and rightfully so, however, this isn't commending The Pakistani Federation, written by the Pakistani Federation, nice to see someone like Ostrovskiy keeps tabs on our region with as much keenness as he does, although I do hope those in positions of power aren't certainly sharing user information with their friends to serve some pre-conceived personal vendettas
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The Pakistani Federation wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:
So basically what I think Ostrovskiy is getting at, in the SC, self commends (including someone commending their own region) is frowned upon.


direct self commendation is loathsome and rightfully so, however, this isn't commending The Pakistani Federation, written by the Pakistani Federation, nice to see someone like Ostrovskiy keeps tabs on our region with as much keenness as he does, although I do hope those in positions of power aren't certainly sharing user information with their friends to serve some pre-conceived personal vendettas

I would hazard a guess Ostro just clicked on your nation page and saw that. I did the same thing, and thought largely the same thing as Ostro.
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The Pakistani Federation wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:
So basically what I think Ostrovskiy is getting at, in the SC, self commends (including someone commending their own region) is frowned upon.


direct self commendation is loathsome and rightfully so, however, this isn't commending The Pakistani Federation, written by the Pakistani Federation, nice to see someone like Ostrovskiy keeps tabs on our region with as much keenness as he does, although I do hope those in positions of power aren't certainly sharing user information with their friends to serve some pre-conceived personal vendettas

I haven't heard of your region until today actually, funny that. Maybe I'm just not well informed enough. I have no personal vendetta against you, I just think that a member of a region commending that region is practically a self-commend. In gen Z speak, it ain't that deep bro.
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Postby The Pakistani Federation » Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:05 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:
The Pakistani Federation wrote:
direct self commendation is loathsome and rightfully so, however, this isn't commending The Pakistani Federation, written by the Pakistani Federation, nice to see someone like Ostrovskiy keeps tabs on our region with as much keenness as he does, although I do hope those in positions of power aren't certainly sharing user information with their friends to serve some pre-conceived personal vendettas

I haven't heard of your region until today actually, funny that. Maybe I'm just not well informed enough. I have no personal vendetta against you, I just think that a member of a region commending that region is practically a self-commend. In gen Z speak, it ain't that deep bro.


I have genuinely never heard anyone say that, i think it might be a millennial thing
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The Pakistani Federation wrote:
direct self commendation is loathsome and rightfully so, however, this isn't commending The Pakistani Federation, written by the Pakistani Federation, nice to see someone like Ostrovskiy keeps tabs on our region with as much keenness as he does, although I do hope those in positions of power aren't certainly sharing user information with their friends to serve some pre-conceived personal vendettas

I would hazard a guess Ostro just clicked on your nation page and saw that. I did the same thing, and thought largely the same thing as Ostro.


Lol i posted this thread a few hours ago, no one responded, but within the space of 30 minutes theres 3 respondents who are doing everything but helping draft the commendation :rofl:
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The Pakistani Federation wrote:
The Ambis wrote:I would hazard a guess Ostro just clicked on your nation page and saw that. I did the same thing, and thought largely the same thing as Ostro.


Lol i posted this thread a few hours ago, no one responded, but within the space of 30 minutes theres 3 respondents who are doing everything but helping draft the commendation :rofl:


I am helping you draft the commendation by saying outright there is absolutely zero chance this passes with you as author.
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The Pakistani Federation wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:I haven't heard of your region until today actually, funny that. Maybe I'm just not well informed enough. I have no personal vendetta against you, I just think that a member of a region commending that region is practically a self-commend. In gen Z speak, it ain't that deep bro.


I have genuinely never heard anyone say that, i think it might be a millennial thing


There are enough people here in different age groups and from enough different cultures for there to be misunderstandings. But I think the gist of what Ostrovskiy was trying to say was that commending a region that you are part of is frowned upon by some users - I would stop short of saying "all users" or "in general".

Count me in as the fourth person to speak up.
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Simone Republic wrote:
The Pakistani Federation wrote:
I have genuinely never heard anyone say that, i think it might be a millennial thing


There are enough people here in different age groups and from enough different cultures for there to be misunderstandings. But I think the gist of what Ostrovskiy was trying to say was that commending a region that you are part of is frowned upon by some users - I would stop short of saying "all users".

Count me in as the fourth person to speak up.

The more the merrier, except in this matter, is that this is a draft commendation and hasn't been submitted to the SC by me so this discussion is quite pointless, please help draft the commendation instead of indulging in the pile on lol.
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Lol i posted this thread a few hours ago, no one responded, but within the space of 30 minutes theres 3 respondents who are doing everything but helping draft the commendation :rofl:


I am helping you draft the commendation by saying outright there is absolutely zero chance this passes with you as author.


friendly reminder that this is a draft which has not been submitted to the SC, and can be co-authored by anyone, your input so far has been utterly pointless in my opinion.

please do feel free to help with the actual draft itself.
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I’ll help:

I have no malice when I say this will not pass. The SC does not like self commends. I would suggest dropping it. We are all giving the same advice
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The Ambis wrote:I’ll help:

I have no malice when I say this will not pass. The SC does not like self commends. I would suggest dropping it. We are all giving the same advice


Feel free helping with the draft.
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Postby Astrobolt » Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm

The Pakistani Federation wrote:
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I am helping you draft the commendation by saying outright there is absolutely zero chance this passes with you as author.


friendly reminder that this is a draft which has not been submitted to the SC, and can be co-authored by anyone, your input so far has been utterly useless please do feel free to help with the actual draft itself.


What I am trying to get at, is that honestly, me giving feedback about the contents of the draft itself is a massive waste of your time. The SC as a whole will reject a draft is even partially written by yourself, no matter if its absolutely perfect otherwise. I think what you should do, is perhaps get someone not involved in your region to draft this instead. I'm not trying to gatekeep the SC or anything, but I just want to be straight with you.
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I await a response to my feedback.
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Tinhampton wrote:I await a response to my feedback.


Thank you for your feedback, agreed that mentioning conservatism would be viewed negatively, but mentioning anything Islamic is the ultimate deal breaker :lol:, regardless I've taken your feedback into consideration and drafted this :)

The Security Council,

Recognizing the United Empire of Islam (UEI) as a noteworthy and vibrant region with incredible achievements that has stood resilient, especially in the face of adversities and has never lost its shine,

In admiration of the fact that for the past decade, the UEI has not only thrived but has stood as a shining example of an active, diverse, and democratic Islamic community. The commitment to democratic principles, inclusivity, and utmost dedication within the community has undoubtedly contributed to fostering unity and a fraternal atmosphere among its members,

Impressed with the diversity of residents in the UEI in terms of cultural backgrounds and perspectives, is a source of strength. Differing perspectives on governance, and political thought have moulded the UEI into the region it is today boasting residents from all walks of life, some of the all-time greats include:

-Kawther, one of the earliest pioneers of the UEI who was responsible for the first merger that gave the UEI the diverse community it has today, Kawthers contributions to the region have been countless, from helping draft the UEI’s first regional constitution to helping man defender missions in allied regions.

-Western Arab Empire (WAE), a symbol of stability and progress within the region, WAE was among the very first newcomers to the region, yet helped write and publish the first regional constitution, established judicial guidelines in the region to settle disputes among residents, WAE is renowned as the UEI’s longest serving WA Delegate serving over 622 days in just one tenure, his constant victories in regional elections manifest the residents trust in his governance.

-Slovenya, who was the region's first elected female WA delegate, one of the founding members of the UEI whose contributions have been numerous, creating the first regional map, Slovenya spearheaded the UEIs newly fledgling foreign affairs department resulting in ties which lasted for years to come.

Celebrating many others; Mishalle, and those who are no longer with us, Awas, Al Meajilia, Kwadai, United-Hayat, Turkhestan, Al Asad Caliphate, Armisael, who helped shape the UEI, their contribution will never be forgotten

Noting that the UEI whilst being NationStates' premier Islamic region is not only open to Islamic nations but also welcomes nations of all kinds. The region held its first democratic elections over a decade ago setting a rich tradition that is still practiced today,

Applauding the residents of the UEI for their commitment to the region and doing their part in maintaining a presence internationally and providing discourse from an Islamic point of view, giving a diverse outlook to the NationStates community, the region's commitment to rational dialogue is a reflection of the values that underpin a lively and progressive community,

Further appreciating the region of the UEI, which has been the largest and continuously active Islamic community in NationStates, withstanding the scourge of inactivity and raids over the years and remaining steadfast in the face of adversity,

Convinced that the UEI deserves recognition for being a commendable example of utmost resilience. The region's commitment to democracy, cooperation with other regions, active involvement within the NationStates community by being a signatory of the landmark Interregional Cooperation Treaty (ICT) 2016 which established political, social and military cooperation between the UEI and its gallant allies, the Central Pacific Empire (CPE), Commonwealth of Crowns (CoC) and The Radiant (former), as well as being a member of Pro-Life International joined by fellow allied regions namely, Catholic, Coalition of Catholic states, Kaiserreich, League of Christian Nations and Right to Life. The UEI’s dedication to interfaith dialogue and progressive values make it a model community that contributes significantly to the diverse broader NationStates community,

Hereby commends the United Empire of Islam.
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Postby Mushroom Gorge » Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:11 pm

ARIsyan- wrote:Fully opposed to any and all commendations of religion-based regions.

Then I suppose you'd oppose Commend Callista since Callista is based entirely around Balooism.
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