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The Talks at Rigel (Janpia, Azmeny, The Astral Mandate)

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]
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The Talks at Rigel (Janpia, Azmeny, The Astral Mandate)

Postby The Astral Mandate » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:31 am

It was a problem. Relations between the KTO and CSL were at an all-time low, and tensions were rising. Diplomacy had failed.
Or so they all thought.
It was a risky move by Neri Virtanen: The Astral Mandate wasn't quite in the best position to negotiate, with few real allies. However, no one else had succeeded. Perhaps it would take a visionary like him to resolve the enmity that seemed so close to a boiling point.
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Founder of the Rigel Pact, an organization dedicated to, basically, spreading peace and preventing the apocalypse.
Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Postby Azmeny » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:21 am

President Korolev arrived at the talks via a sleek black presidential car. The gravel crunched under the 4 tyres as the heavily armoured vehicle drove down the long driveway and came to a smooth halt.

The cars rear door opened, and out stepped the Azmen president himself, attired in a white suit draped with the green and red presidential sash. He strode confidently carrying a briefcase and flanked by armed guards, dressed in the ceremonial uniform of the Azmen Army, but they were asked to maintain some distance from the president. This was supposed to be a peace talk, after all and Korolev certainly didn’t wish to offend or threaten the Janpians. He had with him an elaborate silver teapot, a cultural gift from the land he represented. And of course he had tea with him. He hoped some Azmen tradition and politeness could soften the mood.
The People’s Republic of Azmeny
A Peaceful prosperous nation, Proud CSL, ASP and IES member, ATO observer state.
Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
Azmeny welcomes  military assistance from Boldonia: Azmeny open to cooperation|Azmeny sends $10 billion in aid to Nattia|Azmen and CSL forces liberate Cameroon from Jelorifa|Crisis in Azmenabad: east rinaeran troops infiltrate CSL headquarters, troops mobilised|Terror attack in Katinaea: Azmeny condemns actions of Rinaeran government|Azmeny unveils cutting-edge Starfire anti missile defence|Azmen forces withdraw from Ivartixi: Savkin calls for diplomatic solution|Azmen and CSL forces triumphant in Shieldstan: British surrender

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:51 am

Azmeny wrote:President Korolev arrived at the talks via a sleek black presidential car. The gravel crunched under the 4 tyres as the heavily armoured vehicle drove down the long driveway and came to a smooth halt.

The cars rear door opened, and out stepped the Azmen president himself, attired in a white suit draped with the green and red presidential sash. He strode confidently carrying a briefcase and flanked by armed guards, dressed in the ceremonial uniform of the Azmen Army, but they were asked to maintain some distance from the president. This was supposed to be a peace talk, after all and Korolev certainly didn’t wish to offend or threaten the Janpians. He had with him an elaborate silver teapot, a cultural gift from the land he represented. And of course he had tea with him. He hoped some Azmen tradition and politeness could soften the mood.

OOC: I really don't know where this is taking place. Maybe it's in the House of Ministers if it has a driveway.
IC: "Korolev! It's been so long!" Neri exclaimed. It really had been some time since they had met in Azmenabad- a meeting that led to the founding of the CSL. The alliance, then a mere concept, had grown to be a dominant power- in such a short time. It was certainly time for the two great leaders to meet again, which Neri was greatly excited about. "I am sorry that this visit need be spoiled with discussions of the grim, the unfortunate, the enmity of nations so often despised by myself. If this were in normal times, it would be a time of great joy. However, we have work to do. We must keep watch for whoever Janpia sends, so we can have our grand discussions of geopolitics of the highest order."
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Postby Azmeny » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:57 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Azmeny wrote:President Korolev arrived at the talks via a sleek black presidential car. The gravel crunched under the 4 tyres as the heavily armoured vehicle drove down the long driveway and came to a smooth halt.

The cars rear door opened, and out stepped the Azmen president himself, attired in a white suit draped with the green and red presidential sash. He strode confidently carrying a briefcase and flanked by armed guards, dressed in the ceremonial uniform of the Azmen Army, but they were asked to maintain some distance from the president. This was supposed to be a peace talk, after all and Korolev certainly didn’t wish to offend or threaten the Janpians. He had with him an elaborate silver teapot, a cultural gift from the land he represented. And of course he had tea with him. He hoped some Azmen tradition and politeness could soften the mood.

OOC: I really don't know where this is taking place. Maybe it's in the House of Ministers if it has a driveway.
IC: "Korolev! It's been so long!" Neri exclaimed. It really had been some time since they had met in Azmenabad- a meeting that led to the founding of the CSL. The alliance, then a mere concept, had grown to be a dominant power- in such a short time. It was certainly time for the two great leaders to meet again, which Neri was greatly excited about. "I am sorry that this visit need be spoiled with discussions of the grim, the unfortunate, the enmity of nations so often despised by myself. If this were in normal times, it would be a time of great joy. However, we have work to do. We must keep watch for whoever Janpia sends, so we can have our grand discussions of geopolitics of the highest order."

“Mr virtanen, it such a pleasure to see you again.”says President Korolev, shaking the hand of the other President and his old ally, Nero Virtanen. “It’s lovely to be here, and I hope we can together make some progress. After all, the last time we met resulted in Azmeny founding the CSL, so clearly you have some power as a negotiator. We should wait for the Janpians to arrive before we start any serious discussions. But before we do, a smal, gift from Azmeny.” Korolev unveils a beautiful silver teapot, its ornate design catching the light.
The People’s Republic of Azmeny
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Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
Azmeny welcomes  military assistance from Boldonia: Azmeny open to cooperation|Azmeny sends $10 billion in aid to Nattia|Azmen and CSL forces liberate Cameroon from Jelorifa|Crisis in Azmenabad: east rinaeran troops infiltrate CSL headquarters, troops mobilised|Terror attack in Katinaea: Azmeny condemns actions of Rinaeran government|Azmeny unveils cutting-edge Starfire anti missile defence|Azmen forces withdraw from Ivartixi: Savkin calls for diplomatic solution|Azmen and CSL forces triumphant in Shieldstan: British surrender

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:47 pm

Azmeny wrote:
The Astral Mandate wrote:OOC: I really don't know where this is taking place. Maybe it's in the House of Ministers if it has a driveway.
IC: "Korolev! It's been so long!" Neri exclaimed. It really had been some time since they had met in Azmenabad- a meeting that led to the founding of the CSL. The alliance, then a mere concept, had grown to be a dominant power- in such a short time. It was certainly time for the two great leaders to meet again, which Neri was greatly excited about. "I am sorry that this visit need be spoiled with discussions of the grim, the unfortunate, the enmity of nations so often despised by myself. If this were in normal times, it would be a time of great joy. However, we have work to do. We must keep watch for whoever Janpia sends, so we can have our grand discussions of geopolitics of the highest order."

“Mr virtanen, it such a pleasure to see you again.”says President Korolev, shaking the hand of the other President and his old ally, Nero Virtanen. “It’s lovely to be here, and I hope we can together make some progress. After all, the last time we met resulted in Azmeny founding the CSL, so clearly you have some power as a negotiator. We should wait for the Janpians to arrive before we start any serious discussions. But before we do, a smal, gift from Azmeny.” Korolev unveils a beautiful silver teapot, its ornate design catching the light.

Neri's eyes lit up. "It's... beautiful...! Anyway, I've kind of got a gift as well." He wades into the garden in front of the house (I'm sort of imagining this happening outside) and pulls out a few potted plants. It's cold, so they don't really have leaves, or flowers.
"Haskap," he says. "It represents our national spirit in a way. It's in the honeysuckle genus, many species of which I've heard have ravaged North America, but these have an entirely different nature. Instead of working for its own gain like the honeysuckle, the haskap is quiet and unassuming, using its gifts to provide for others. It thrives in the cold, in environments generally considered adverse. Kind of like us." He smiles. "Just find a cool place for them and give them water, and they'll be fine."
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Postby Janpia » Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:00 pm

Arriving at Rigel is Diplomat Berischokovschniame Aruguscheneta, wearing a sleek black suit, a striped white and red tie, as well as a watch of his choice. As normally found on the members of the Janpian Diplomatic Corps, he also have the Janpian party badge at their chest, topped with their signature bowl cap as well as their suitcase in hand. For Berischokovschniame, also known as Beris by his close colleagues, he already expected the talks to be more about the ongoing NAP agreement at Eldorado, and he fully knows that he is going to talk about it with a representative from a CSL founding state, Azmeny. A nation which the Party regarded as liberals wearing a socialist mask. Nevertheless, Beris was already confident as to how he would push the Party's agenda, keeping up with their policy of prioritizing the Revolution first, the KTO second, and everyone else beneath it.

Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

5th Era
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- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
-My favorite past time read. Probably the reference for my deathstar. But I still swear that I'm not an FT nation
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Postby Azmeny » Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:38 pm

The Azmen President looks to the plant gifted by his fellow president, and his face lights up to see such a nice gift from his old friend. “Ah! A fine gift. It shall look very nice on the balcony of the palace of the people, and I hope it shall be a reminder of the friendship between our two states. Either that, or it shall go in the botanical gardens in Azmenabad. Our climate is unfortunately very good at killing plants.” He then looks to the Janpian diplomat arriving. “Good day Mr… Aruguscheneta.” He says reading off the diplomats badge. “I hope you’ve had a pleasant journey. Would you care for some tea, it is a bit cold out there.” he offers, remembering his obligation to be polite. While he hardly liked Janpia due to his country’s frosty foreign relations with them, he felt he ought to show some respect. After all, they had gone out of their way to negotiate, an action Korolev very much appreciated. He hoped to make progress with CSL-KTO relations, and didn’t wish to give a bad impression. Furthermore, if a CSL-KTO deal was off the table, he would be willing to settle for an agreement between Janpia and Azmeny.
The People’s Republic of Azmeny
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Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
Azmeny welcomes  military assistance from Boldonia: Azmeny open to cooperation|Azmeny sends $10 billion in aid to Nattia|Azmen and CSL forces liberate Cameroon from Jelorifa|Crisis in Azmenabad: east rinaeran troops infiltrate CSL headquarters, troops mobilised|Terror attack in Katinaea: Azmeny condemns actions of Rinaeran government|Azmeny unveils cutting-edge Starfire anti missile defence|Azmen forces withdraw from Ivartixi: Savkin calls for diplomatic solution|Azmen and CSL forces triumphant in Shieldstan: British surrender

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:32 pm

"Well, let's not wait any longer. We have serious issues to discuss, after all." Neri escorts them inside the building to a conference room. "So, perhaps you two could start by explaining your side? That would be a logical place to start."
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Postby Azmeny » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:36 am

“Well, I suppose we have a simple request. For a very long time,we have been in a state of near constant war with the KTO. We propose that we would like an end to this needless conflict, and heal old wounds which even date before the CSL’s foundation and have very little to do with it. I simply suggest a non aggression pact, that they don’t send troops into our member states, and we won’t fight them either. We also promise to severely punish those in our alliance who start wars if need be. Otherwise, it betrays the CSL’s values and any notions of peace.” Korolev says.
The People’s Republic of Azmeny
A Peaceful prosperous nation, Proud CSL, ASP and IES member, ATO observer state.
Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
Azmeny welcomes  military assistance from Boldonia: Azmeny open to cooperation|Azmeny sends $10 billion in aid to Nattia|Azmen and CSL forces liberate Cameroon from Jelorifa|Crisis in Azmenabad: east rinaeran troops infiltrate CSL headquarters, troops mobilised|Terror attack in Katinaea: Azmeny condemns actions of Rinaeran government|Azmeny unveils cutting-edge Starfire anti missile defence|Azmen forces withdraw from Ivartixi: Savkin calls for diplomatic solution|Azmen and CSL forces triumphant in Shieldstan: British surrender

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Postby Janpia » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:07 pm

Beris: "Please call me Beris"

Berischokovschniame kindly said as he bowed down as accustomed in Janpian culture, and also received the handshake from President Korolev. He was quite calm and friendly in tones,with a splice hint of formality from his greetings. As they finish their pleasantries, he takes a seat at the same time with everyone else, and brought out his papers with him. All of it are marked with a wax symbol stamped with the Janpian party badge, as he scrolls around and prepares a normal draft sign at his table. Taking his gestures from Neri, he listened to the demands of President Korolev first, before taking a short silence once it reaches his turn. He rubbed his hands slowly, but he atleast acknowledged Korolev's request with a simple nod of understanding

Beris: "As for the demands of the KTO, I'd like to foremost say that the alliance is a defense pact at first, and a non-aggression pact second, as seen from the very first articles of its treaty. At its very base, the KTO is just an extended version of the non-aggression pact between Janpia and the Galapagos, with the signing done at Kalingrad and the New Oversight. As history mentions it, the NAP between Janpia and Galapagos has put an ease to some of our citizens, who feared an inevitable war after Karmiya's coup. This mutual pact was later expanded to become the KTO that we know today, and added a defense clause for those who feared Marajarbian imperialism at that time....... But going to the present, our history enabled us to truly understand your concerns about the constant fears of armed conflict between our two alliances. As such, with the NAP being proposed, I believe that it is imperative for the KTO, an extended non-aggression pact, to once again extend it further to non-members, who didn't even signed for the KTO. Worth mentioning that the CSL is also under the constant influences of the Marajarbians, as noted from the CSL's recent wars and decision making. Not to mention that at one point, the Marajarbians also represented the CSL at the KTO, which they disregarded after slandering the alliance right at the KTO boardroom itself"

He takes a sigh, breathing heavily but not too much, as he continues

Beris: "But regardless, for the sake of peace, the Party allowed the NAP to ruin the KTO's member-state integrity, and has once again extended their non-aggression pact beyond those who haven't joined the KTO. But that, comes with conditions"

He said the last sentence stupendously, and he was rather bleak in his tones. It doesn't also help that he was old and slightly obesed, making him almost similar to Kissinger from the way he sits.

Beris: "Given that the defense pact of the KTO was done due to the Marajarbian threat, I believe that the Marajarbians must be removed completely from the CSL before we sign the non-aggression pact. Their history of swallowing organizations without to the consent of its members, as well as subjugating them through imperialism as they declare it, is enough for us to say no to a non-aggression pact to an alliance that we see as under Marajarbian influence. You can attest to Mr. Neri here for the problems caused by the Marajarbians before the CSL even existed. Needless to say, the Galapagosians have also called for the Azmeny Government back then to limit Marajarbian influence and to detest their actions. We only received a guarantee, but it wasn't followed. If we are gonna allow ourselves to be subjugated of our integrity and free actions under a NAP, it shouldn't be a guarantee, but an action against someone that constantly manipulates for war. Furthermore, signing NAP with a Marajarbian-influenced alliance is like taking a surrender notice to the Marajarbians themselves. We shall not stand down for our freedom."
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Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

5th Era
- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
-My favorite past time read. Probably the reference for my deathstar. But I still swear that I'm not an FT nation
- Sometimes I wonder what am I doing with my export program
- Spends majority of my time trying to fix my grammar at factbooks or future posts.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:33 pm

Neri Virtanen appears noticeably stressed. Should I support Janpia's demand? No, we can't risk a war with Marajarbia right now- How can we be seen as peacemakers? But then, how can we be seen as peacemakers if we fail here? He took a deep breath, and made the only choice that seemed right-
"Korolev, what say you?"
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Postby Azmeny » Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:19 am

Janpia wrote:Beris: "Please call me Beris"

Berischokovschniame kindly said as he bowed down as accustomed in Janpian culture, and also received the handshake from President Korolev. He was quite calm and friendly in tones,with a splice hint of formality from his greetings. As they finish their pleasantries, he takes a seat at the same time with everyone else, and brought out his papers with him. All of it are marked with a wax symbol stamped with the Janpian party badge, as he scrolls around and prepares a normal draft sign at his table. Taking his gestures from Neri, he listened to the demands of President Korolev first, before taking a short silence once it reaches his turn. He rubbed his hands slowly, but he atleast acknowledged Korolev's request with a simple nod of understanding

Beris: "As for the demands of the KTO, I'd like to foremost say that the alliance is a defense pact at first, and a non-aggression pact second, as seen from the very first articles of its treaty. At its very base, the KTO is just an extended version of the non-aggression pact between Janpia and the Galapagos, with the signing done at Kalingrad and the New Oversight. As history mentions it, the NAP between Janpia and Galapagos has put an ease to some of our citizens, who feared an inevitable war after Karmiya's coup. This mutual pact was later expanded to become the KTO that we know today, and added a defense clause for those who feared Marajarbian imperialism at that time....... But going to the present, our history enabled us to truly understand your concerns about the constant fears of armed conflict between our two alliances. As such, with the NAP being proposed, I believe that it is imperative for the KTO, an extended non-aggression pact, to once again extend it further to non-members, who didn't even signed for the KTO. Worth mentioning that the CSL is also under the constant influences of the Marajarbians, as noted from the CSL's recent wars and decision making. Not to mention that at one point, the Marajarbians also represented the CSL at the KTO, which they disregarded after slandering the alliance right at the KTO boardroom itself"

He takes a sigh, breathing heavily but not too much, as he continues

Beris: "But regardless, for the sake of peace, the Party allowed the NAP to ruin the KTO's member-state integrity, and has once again extended their non-aggression pact beyond those who haven't joined the KTO. But that, comes with conditions"

He said the last sentence stupendously, and he was rather bleak in his tones. It doesn't also help that he was old and slightly obesed, making him almost similar to Kissinger from the way he sits.

Beris: "Given that the defense pact of the KTO was done due to the Marajarbian threat, I believe that the Marajarbians must be removed completely from the CSL before we sign the non-aggression pact. Their history of swallowing organizations without to the consent of its members, as well as subjugating them through imperialism as they declare it, is enough for us to say no to a non-aggression pact to an alliance that we see as under Marajarbian influence. You can attest to Mr. Neri here for the problems caused by the Marajarbians before the CSL even existed. Needless to say, the Galapagosians have also called for the Azmeny Government back then to limit Marajarbian influence and to detest their actions. We only received a guarantee, but it wasn't followed. If we are gonna allow ourselves to be subjugated of our integrity and free actions under a NAP, it shouldn't be a guarantee, but an action against someone that constantly manipulates for war. Furthermore, signing NAP with a Marajarbian-influenced alliance is like taking a surrender notice to the Marajarbians themselves. We shall not stand down for our freedom."

“Well, arguably as Marajarbia are an observer the KTO is not obliged to be in a non aggression pact with Marajarbia itself. Technically, being observers, they are not part of the CSL for the purposes of non-aggression. It’s like why although Janpia is a CSL observer, Janpian and CSL forces have fought regularly. I suppose if Azmeny were to solidify its status as leader of the CSL, and warn Marajarbia to adopt a more peaceful foreign policy, would that help reassure the KTO? We also believe Marajarbia has changed since the past. Also, if Marajarbia were to engage in a war of aggression against the KTO or Janpia, I can assure you that Azmeny wouldn’t support it. It goes against the CSL's values.”
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Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:52 am

"Okay. So Marajarbia gets one or two warnings, and then it's final? That's my idea. Shouldn't anger Marajarbia too much, but it should do the job."
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Founder of the Rigel Pact, an organization dedicated to, basically, spreading peace and preventing the apocalypse.
Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Postby Janpia » Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:05 am

Beris: "Given the recent reports from the CSL Assembly, the Marajarbians didn't even stop slandering or spreading their influence to other member-states, despite the promises that we received from the Greater Marine at Eldorado. They have attempted to persuade the CSL member's opinions regarding the status of the KTO in the world stage, as well as slandering Janpia on our backs. If that is not enough, they have also called the KTO to be non-diplomatic, despite us being present at the past negotiations as well as the right now! But as I have said, the Party had enough of the false guarantees. The way we see it, the Azmeny Government, the founding state of the CSL, have failed their numerous guarantees that were promised before to the Galapagosians, which is to stop the Marajarbian slanders against the KTO and hold Marajarbian influence. In Eldorado, the Greater Marine have also guaranteed us the same promise..... But you could guess what my colleagues reported soon after."

Beris chuckled at those thoughts, but continued

Beris: "The amount of guarantees are already insurmountable and untrustworthy anymore. We know when enough is enough. As such, our only wish is to kick the Marajarbians out of the alliance in order for the NAP to be signed. After all, we wouldn't want to sign a non-aggression pact to an alliance filled with Marajarbian mouth pieces, as well as establishing relations on a place where anti-KTO mouths freely slander. Likewise, the KTO representatives are atleast mature enough to show formality and respect."

Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

5th Era
- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
-My favorite past time read. Probably the reference for my deathstar. But I still swear that I'm not an FT nation
- Sometimes I wonder what am I doing with my export program
- Spends majority of my time trying to fix my grammar at factbooks or future posts.
Alliances with:
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Postby Azmeny » Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:54 am

Janpia wrote:Beris: "Given the recent reports from the CSL Assembly, the Marajarbians didn't even stop slandering or spreading their influence to other member-states, despite the promises that we received from the Greater Marine at Eldorado. They have attempted to persuade the CSL member's opinions regarding the status of the KTO in the world stage, as well as slandering Janpia on our backs. If that is not enough, they have also called the KTO to be non-diplomatic, despite us being present at the past negotiations as well as the right now! But as I have said, the Party had enough of the false guarantees. The way we see it, the Azmeny Government, the founding state of the CSL, have failed their numerous guarantees that were promised before to the Galapagosians, which is to stop the Marajarbian slanders against the KTO and hold Marajarbian influence. In Eldorado, the Greater Marine have also guaranteed us the same promise..... But you could guess what my colleagues reported soon after."

Beris chuckled at those thoughts, but continued

Beris: "The amount of guarantees are already insurmountable and untrustworthy anymore. We know when enough is enough. As such, our only wish is to kick the Marajarbians out of the alliance in order for the NAP to be signed. After all, we wouldn't want to sign a non-aggression pact to an alliance filled with Marajarbian mouth pieces, as well as establishing relations on a place where anti-KTO mouths freely slander. Likewise, the KTO representatives are atleast mature enough to show formality and respect."

“The only problem with this plan is that ejecting Marajarbia would cause outrage amongst the CSL, and persuade many to leave. Marajarbia for better or worse has influenced the CSL so much that it’s highly probable that the CSL may collapse without them. We can try to ensure Marajarbia exerts less influence over the wider CSL, but expulsion will be difficult and have extreme repercussions for the CSL.”
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:11 am

Azmeny wrote:
Janpia wrote:Beris: "Given the recent reports from the CSL Assembly, the Marajarbians didn't even stop slandering or spreading their influence to other member-states, despite the promises that we received from the Greater Marine at Eldorado. They have attempted to persuade the CSL member's opinions regarding the status of the KTO in the world stage, as well as slandering Janpia on our backs. If that is not enough, they have also called the KTO to be non-diplomatic, despite us being present at the past negotiations as well as the right now! But as I have said, the Party had enough of the false guarantees. The way we see it, the Azmeny Government, the founding state of the CSL, have failed their numerous guarantees that were promised before to the Galapagosians, which is to stop the Marajarbian slanders against the KTO and hold Marajarbian influence. In Eldorado, the Greater Marine have also guaranteed us the same promise..... But you could guess what my colleagues reported soon after."

Beris chuckled at those thoughts, but continued

Beris: "The amount of guarantees are already insurmountable and untrustworthy anymore. We know when enough is enough. As such, our only wish is to kick the Marajarbians out of the alliance in order for the NAP to be signed. After all, we wouldn't want to sign a non-aggression pact to an alliance filled with Marajarbian mouth pieces, as well as establishing relations on a place where anti-KTO mouths freely slander. Likewise, the KTO representatives are atleast mature enough to show formality and respect."

“The only problem with this plan is that ejecting Marajarbia would cause outrage amongst the CSL, and persuade many to leave. Marajarbia for better or worse has influenced the CSL so much that it’s highly probable that the CSL may collapse without them. We can try to ensure Marajarbia exerts less influence over the wider CSL, but expulsion will be difficult and have extreme repercussions for the CSL.”

"Perhaps we give one more warning, then a suspension to see whether any negative effects occur. If nothing bad happens, hold a vote to expel them?"
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Postby Azmeny » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:14 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Azmeny wrote:“The only problem with this plan is that ejecting Marajarbia would cause outrage amongst the CSL, and persuade many to leave. Marajarbia for better or worse has influenced the CSL so much that it’s highly probable that the CSL may collapse without them. We can try to ensure Marajarbia exerts less influence over the wider CSL, but expulsion will be difficult and have extreme repercussions for the CSL.”

"Perhaps we give one more warning, then a suspension to see whether any negative effects occur. If nothing bad happens, hold a vote to expel them?"

“Alternatively, we request them to give up some influence for a while. If that works, and both Janpia and Marajarbia are happy, and no major incidents happen over that period. then we can try an NAP.”
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Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
Azmeny welcomes  military assistance from Boldonia: Azmeny open to cooperation|Azmeny sends $10 billion in aid to Nattia|Azmen and CSL forces liberate Cameroon from Jelorifa|Crisis in Azmenabad: east rinaeran troops infiltrate CSL headquarters, troops mobilised|Terror attack in Katinaea: Azmeny condemns actions of Rinaeran government|Azmeny unveils cutting-edge Starfire anti missile defence|Azmen forces withdraw from Ivartixi: Savkin calls for diplomatic solution|Azmen and CSL forces triumphant in Shieldstan: British surrender

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Postby Janpia » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:20 am

Azmeny wrote:
Janpia wrote:Beris: "Given the recent reports from the CSL Assembly, the Marajarbians didn't even stop slandering or spreading their influence to other member-states, despite the promises that we received from the Greater Marine at Eldorado. They have attempted to persuade the CSL member's opinions regarding the status of the KTO in the world stage, as well as slandering Janpia on our backs. If that is not enough, they have also called the KTO to be non-diplomatic, despite us being present at the past negotiations as well as the right now! But as I have said, the Party had enough of the false guarantees. The way we see it, the Azmeny Government, the founding state of the CSL, have failed their numerous guarantees that were promised before to the Galapagosians, which is to stop the Marajarbian slanders against the KTO and hold Marajarbian influence. In Eldorado, the Greater Marine have also guaranteed us the same promise..... But you could guess what my colleagues reported soon after."

Beris chuckled at those thoughts, but continued

Beris: "The amount of guarantees are already insurmountable and untrustworthy anymore. We know when enough is enough. As such, our only wish is to kick the Marajarbians out of the alliance in order for the NAP to be signed. After all, we wouldn't want to sign a non-aggression pact to an alliance filled with Marajarbian mouth pieces, as well as establishing relations on a place where anti-KTO mouths freely slander. Likewise, the KTO representatives are atleast mature enough to show formality and respect."

“The only problem with this plan is that ejecting Marajarbia would cause outrage amongst the CSL, and persuade many to leave. Marajarbia for better or worse has influenced the CSL so much that it’s highly probable that the CSL may collapse without them. We can try to ensure Marajarbia exerts less influence over the wider CSL, but expulsion will be difficult and have extreme repercussions for the CSL.”


Rep. Beris: "Thus proves our point. The Marajarbians has too much influence over the CSL, that it would be imperative for us to sign a non-aggression pact on an alliance influenced by an anti-KTO state. Worth mentioning the contradiction that you have provided, which is basically saying that you would lessen Marajarbian influence, despite telling that the Marajarbians have too much influence over its members to follow suit with them. Regardless, I believe that it is time for the CSL to be independent of its own actions. We wouldnt want a temporary request to hold their interests. We want total removal."

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Postby Azmeny » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:26 am

Janpia wrote:
Azmeny wrote:“The only problem with this plan is that ejecting Marajarbia would cause outrage amongst the CSL, and persuade many to leave. Marajarbia for better or worse has influenced the CSL so much that it’s highly probable that the CSL may collapse without them. We can try to ensure Marajarbia exerts less influence over the wider CSL, but expulsion will be difficult and have extreme repercussions for the CSL.”


Rep. Beris: "Thus proves our point. The Marajarbians has too much influence over the CSL, that it would be imperative for us to sign a non-aggression pact on an alliance influenced by an anti-KTO state. Worth mentioning the contradiction that you have provided, which is basically saying that you would lessen Marajarbian influence, despite telling that the Marajarbians have too much influence over its members to follow suit with them. Regardless, I believe that it is time for the CSL to be independent of its own actions. We wouldnt want a temporary request to hold their interests. We want total removal."

“That is very well. However, we can assure you that many other CSL members believe Marajarbia holds a great deal of power, so they will not necessarily be affected by Marajarbia’s decision making.”
The People’s Republic of Azmeny
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Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
Azmeny welcomes  military assistance from Boldonia: Azmeny open to cooperation|Azmeny sends $10 billion in aid to Nattia|Azmen and CSL forces liberate Cameroon from Jelorifa|Crisis in Azmenabad: east rinaeran troops infiltrate CSL headquarters, troops mobilised|Terror attack in Katinaea: Azmeny condemns actions of Rinaeran government|Azmeny unveils cutting-edge Starfire anti missile defence|Azmen forces withdraw from Ivartixi: Savkin calls for diplomatic solution|Azmen and CSL forces triumphant in Shieldstan: British surrender

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Postby Janpia » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:48 am

Rep. Beri: "The myth regarding the Marajarbian superpower has long been debunked by the Janpian Union itself. Not once on their history have they majorly contributed to any war effort, even when it comes to defending their own allies such as the Muqaddasia. Militarily, the Janpian Union, as noted from history, is also more than capable of destroying the Marajarbian force, which we amazingly found out that they do not even have an airforce branch of their own. Their economic superpower as they all claimed to be, were all just a farce after the Countesians destroyed their trade via interdiction, with the Marajarbians doing absolutely nothing other than calling for allies to go to war for them... Which no one responded to. Regardless, it is also worth mentioning that their early attempts for exports, which they said would rival the Janpian International Exports at that time, was also fluke and became unpopular due to the lack of consumers. I'm betting that this is your first time hearing about the Marajarbian trading store as well, but I would let you digress about it: One could see the JIWUE still standing to this day while there are no Marajarbian export stores around. Whatever influence the Marajarbians have, be it military or economic, the Janpian Union or the KTO can replace it tenfold. If the Marajarbians are removed and the NAP are signed, I'm telling you. This would open possibilities for the CSL such as access on advanced KTO hardware, with major benefits going for both sides"
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- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
-My favorite past time read. Probably the reference for my deathstar. But I still swear that I'm not an FT nation
- Sometimes I wonder what am I doing with my export program
- Spends majority of my time trying to fix my grammar at factbooks or future posts.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:41 am

"I suggest a compromise. We reduce Marajarbia's privileges for now, which we can define here, and if these reduced privileges are exceeded we suspend them from the CSL for a significant period, after which a vote will be held for expulsion."
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Postby Janpia » Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:19 pm

Rep. Beri: "And what would that be? If you ever gonna reduce Marajarbia's DEFINED privileges and add a hefty punishment if they break the law, I would give it some slight chance. However, the punishment wouldn't be suspension of the Marajarbians in such case. Furthermore,if the Marajarbians broke our guarantees, I would like to have the CSL punished as well for allowing it. We signed a treaty that almost feels like giving away the point of the KTO's existence. We wanted an equal demand for it, as we are not taking any chances anymore. Also worth mentioning that the ejection of the Marajarbians is the only way we see the non-aggression pact being signed."
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Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

5th Era
- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
-My favorite past time read. Probably the reference for my deathstar. But I still swear that I'm not an FT nation
- Sometimes I wonder what am I doing with my export program
- Spends majority of my time trying to fix my grammar at factbooks or future posts.
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Postby Azmeny » Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:59 pm

Janpia wrote:Rep. Beri: "And what would that be? If you ever gonna reduce Marajarbia's DEFINED privileges and add a hefty punishment if they break the law, I would give it some slight chance. However, the punishment wouldn't be suspension of the Marajarbians in such case. Furthermore,if the Marajarbians broke our guarantees, I would like to have the CSL punished as well for allowing it. We signed a treaty that almost feels like giving away the point of the KTO's existence. We wanted an equal demand for it, as we are not taking any chances anymore. Also worth mentioning that the ejection of the Marajarbians is the only way we see the non-aggression pact being signed."

“It seeems that we have reached an impasse.” said Korolev “We’re no further ahead than when we started, I’m afraid. While we are glad to compromise on our position, we would not accept the KTO to be able to decide to eject members, it sets a precedent that the CSL cannot function as an independent alliance, and goes against the idea of democratic decision making based on a consensus of member states. I’m afraid we would like to maintain our ability to choose members according to our own will and the criteria we see fit.”
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Azmeny24: the latest headlines from Azmeny
Azmeny welcomes  military assistance from Boldonia: Azmeny open to cooperation|Azmeny sends $10 billion in aid to Nattia|Azmen and CSL forces liberate Cameroon from Jelorifa|Crisis in Azmenabad: east rinaeran troops infiltrate CSL headquarters, troops mobilised|Terror attack in Katinaea: Azmeny condemns actions of Rinaeran government|Azmeny unveils cutting-edge Starfire anti missile defence|Azmen forces withdraw from Ivartixi: Savkin calls for diplomatic solution|Azmen and CSL forces triumphant in Shieldstan: British surrender

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:02 pm

"Perhaps it is not yet the time. Perhaps, Korolev, you can arrange a meeting of the CSL Tribunal- I believe Marajarbia has violated the rules of the CSL on at least one occasion."
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Postby Janpia » Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:05 am

Rep. Beris: "Not once, but uncountable. If the CSL believes the NAP to be destroying their own integrity, then that is the point we are compromising with. We our extending the point of the KTO by destroying its historic integrity. There must be an equal exchange in return. If the CSL can't accept that, then no NAP shall be signed."

Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

5th Era
- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
-My favorite past time read. Probably the reference for my deathstar. But I still swear that I'm not an FT nation
- Sometimes I wonder what am I doing with my export program
- Spends majority of my time trying to fix my grammar at factbooks or future posts.
Alliances with:
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