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Is The Following Of Donald Trump A Cult?

Postby NPCA » Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:22 pm

A legitimate question: Is the following of Donald Trump a cult?

Trump has many passionate supporters. They wear banners of the American and Maga flags on their clothing. They display it on their vehicles, and they are every active in their activism. Whenever they attend his rallies, it is like a stadium at a football game. People are constantly cheering, and Trump has a good way of connecting with his audience.

He tells them what they want and he takes the role of being the one that will save America. Because of this, the trump supporters, especially from among the evangelicals, see him as a god send, and a minority view him almost like a third coming of Elijah before the Messiah arrives or the rapture.

And a tiny handful even view him as the Messiah himself.

Needless to say, January 6th?

This is why I want to ask if Trump's following should be considered a cult?

I'm going to say no. There are a small handful that could be considered cultists, but most of his supporters are just passionate for wanting change in America.
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Postby Order of Maesters » Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:43 pm

Not, its a religion.
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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:48 pm

Trump's popularity cannot be considered a religious cult. But, for example, in our USSR, when Khrushchev exposed the “personality cult of Stalin,” he did not mean a religious cult - they simply emphasized that the role of the individual in history is secondary compared to social conditions, and therefore there is no need to reduce all the country’s achievements to one person, consider Stalin infallible and blindly obey him. The success of an individual is generated by the demands of society, while even a progressive person is capable of making mistakes and crimes. By the way, if in the USSR the “cult of Stalin” did not turn into a religious-mystical one, then in North Korea it seems they have already written about the natural signs that accompanied the birth and death of Kim Jong Il, and in ancient times Alexander the Great was declared a god, and Emperor Augustus too. Recognition of the real merits of an individual can imperceptibly develop into a secular cult, and then into a religious cult. Be careful, don't let this happen!
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Postby Orcuo » Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:34 pm

By technical definition, no. Being a “cult” would imply being a religious institution; and last I checked, Trump hasn’t publicly announced anything about him being the head of a religious organization.
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Postby Querria » Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:56 pm

Absolutely. But it's powerful and his resurgence is inevitable now, as of two months ago.

And since weatern values in their old form are basically gone now, and considering all the death thats going to happen to certain people regardless of my feelings...

Well, #trump2024
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Postby Almighty Biden » Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:32 pm

Jo Biden al-Maedi, the founder and Grand Poobah of the Scranton Bidenic Church has declared Trumpism to be a heretical cult and threatens excommunication to any and all of its adherents. Furthermore, he has offered indulgences and forgiveness to all who undergo baptism in the holy baby formula. Truly he is a great president!

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Postby Hispida » Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:33 pm

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Postby Bradfordville » Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:35 pm

As someone who has family caught up in the trump phenomenon, it's not only a cult. I'm worried that he's gonna talk them into something awful too.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:35 pm

It sure resembles one.
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Postby Querria » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:04 pm

Bradfordville wrote:As someone who has family caught up in the trump phenomenon, it's not only a cult. I'm worried that he's gonna talk them into something awful too.


You'd be right. But you only have yourself to blame.

But silver lining; all you have to do is kinda kiss some ass, throw out some opinions, buy some merch right now and tell your family they're right. Do just that, you'll be ok. Other people are not going to be so fortunate.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:17 pm

Orcuo wrote:By technical definition, no. Being a “cult” would imply being a religious institution; and last I checked, Trump hasn’t publicly announced anything about him being the head of a religious organization.

You sure about that?
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:21 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Orcuo wrote:By technical definition, no. Being a “cult” would imply being a religious institution; and last I checked, Trump hasn’t publicly announced anything about him being the head of a religious organization.

You sure about that?


The X (formerly Twitter) account where the post originated belongs to Dominick McGee, a right-wing influencer and QAnon conspiracy theorist who made headlines in July when his account was quickly reinstated after he posted child sex-abuse imagery. The notorious image was made by Peter Gerard Scully, an Australian who was sentenced to life in prison plus 129 years last year for rape, human trafficking, and the sexual abuse of children as young as 18 months. After some of McGee’s more than half a million followers complained that he was banned over his politics, X owner Elon Musk stepped in to reinstate him.

Well doesn't that just sum up the state of things.
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Postby Querria » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:22 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You sure about that?


The X (formerly Twitter) account where the post originated belongs to Dominick McGee, a right-wing influencer and QAnon conspiracy theorist who made headlines in July when his account was quickly reinstated after he posted child sex-abuse imagery. The notorious image was made by Peter Gerard Scully, an Australian who was sentenced to life in prison plus 129 years last year for rape, human trafficking, and the sexual abuse of children as young as 18 months. After some of McGee’s more than half a million followers complained that he was banned over his politics, X owner Elon Musk stepped in to reinstate him.

Well doesn't that just sum up the state of things.


Sums it up perfectly.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:25 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You sure about that?


The X (formerly Twitter) account where the post originated belongs to Dominick McGee, a right-wing influencer and QAnon conspiracy theorist who made headlines in July when his account was quickly reinstated after he posted child sex-abuse imagery. The notorious image was made by Peter Gerard Scully, an Australian who was sentenced to life in prison plus 129 years last year for rape, human trafficking, and the sexual abuse of children as young as 18 months. After some of McGee’s more than half a million followers complained that he was banned over his politics, X owner Elon Musk stepped in to reinstate him.

Well doesn't that just sum up the state of things.


How is Dominick McGee not in prison for possession and distribution of CSA content? :unsure:
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:26 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You sure about that?


The X (formerly Twitter) account where the post originated belongs to Dominick McGee, a right-wing influencer and QAnon conspiracy theorist who made headlines in July when his account was quickly reinstated after he posted child sex-abuse imagery. The notorious image was made by Peter Gerard Scully, an Australian who was sentenced to life in prison plus 129 years last year for rape, human trafficking, and the sexual abuse of children as young as 18 months. After some of McGee’s more than half a million followers complained that he was banned over his politics, X owner Elon Musk stepped in to reinstate him.

Well doesn't that just sum up the state of things.

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Postby Querria » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:27 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
The X (formerly Twitter) account where the post originated belongs to Dominick McGee, a right-wing influencer and QAnon conspiracy theorist who made headlines in July when his account was quickly reinstated after he posted child sex-abuse imagery. The notorious image was made by Peter Gerard Scully, an Australian who was sentenced to life in prison plus 129 years last year for rape, human trafficking, and the sexual abuse of children as young as 18 months. After some of McGee’s more than half a million followers complained that he was banned over his politics, X owner Elon Musk stepped in to reinstate him.

Well doesn't that just sum up the state of things.


How is Dominick McGee not in prison for possession and distribution of CSA content? :unsure:


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Postby San Marlindo » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:32 pm

Technoscience Leftwing wrote:Trump's popularity cannot be considered a religious cult. But, for example, in our USSR, when Khrushchev exposed the “personality cult of Stalin,” he did not mean a religious cult - they simply emphasized that the role of the individual in history is secondary compared to social conditions, and therefore there is no need to reduce all the country’s achievements to one person, consider Stalin infallible and blindly obey him. The success of an individual is generated by the demands of society, while even a progressive person is capable of making mistakes and crimes. By the way, if in the USSR the “cult of Stalin” did not turn into a religious-mystical one, then in North Korea it seems they have already written about the natural signs that accompanied the birth and death of Kim Jong Il, and in ancient times Alexander the Great was declared a god, and Emperor Augustus too. Recognition of the real merits of an individual can imperceptibly develop into a secular cult, and then into a religious cult. Be careful, don't let this happen!


The fact that Stalin presided over the defeat of Nazi Germany and the mass industrialization of the USSR, which was previously one of the least developed countries in the world, contributed greatly to his personality cult. This would explain why it still persisted in the latter days of the USSR long after Stalin's crimes and mismanagement became public knowledge, and why he's remembered in such a revisionist way in modern Russia today.
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Postby Hispida » Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:24 pm

San Marlindo wrote:
Technoscience Leftwing wrote:Trump's popularity cannot be considered a religious cult. But, for example, in our USSR, when Khrushchev exposed the “personality cult of Stalin,” he did not mean a religious cult - they simply emphasized that the role of the individual in history is secondary compared to social conditions, and therefore there is no need to reduce all the country’s achievements to one person, consider Stalin infallible and blindly obey him. The success of an individual is generated by the demands of society, while even a progressive person is capable of making mistakes and crimes. By the way, if in the USSR the “cult of Stalin” did not turn into a religious-mystical one, then in North Korea it seems they have already written about the natural signs that accompanied the birth and death of Kim Jong Il, and in ancient times Alexander the Great was declared a god, and Emperor Augustus too. Recognition of the real merits of an individual can imperceptibly develop into a secular cult, and then into a religious cult. Be careful, don't let this happen!


The fact that Stalin presided over the defeat of Nazi Germany and the mass industrialization of the USSR, which was previously one of the least developed countries in the world, contributed greatly to his personality cult. This would explain why it still persisted in the latter days of the USSR long after Stalin's crimes and mismanagement became public knowledge, and why he's remembered in such a revisionist way in modern Russia today.

it's also important to note that stalin's personality cult was largely natural. personally, he hated it (he already suffered from anxiety), and tried to scale it back, but he was widely supported by the USSR's citizens and by many to almost fanatical and i'd even say dogmatic degrees. it's one of those few examples, like FDR of the same time's legacy into the 60s and reagan's living well into the early 2010s, that a cult of personality evolves as genuine admiration and support of somebody's policies and status in history.
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Yes.

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Querria wrote:Absolutely. But it's powerful and his resurgence is inevitable now, as of two months ago.

And since weatern values in their old form are basically gone now, and considering all the death thats going to happen to certain people regardless of my feelings...

Well, #trump2024


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Postby Kunskil » Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:43 pm

No it is a religon.
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Kunskil wrote:No it is a religon.
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Does that mean they're going to stop banging on about how everything must conform to Christian religious values since they are clearly no longer Christian?

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Postby Washington-Columbia » Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:46 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Querria wrote:Absolutely. But it's powerful and his resurgence is inevitable now, as of two months ago.

And since weatern values in their old form are basically gone now, and considering all the death thats going to happen to certain people regardless of my feelings...

Well, #trump2024


Define western values in this context.


Weatern values includes what I like and excludes what I don't like.
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