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Venezuela deploys 5600 troops to guyana border

Postby Querria » Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:49 am

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/ ... -territory

Venezuela has claimed it has large public support to take over an oil-rich region across the border in Guyana.

The referendum result, announced on Monday, came after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) warned Caracas against “annexation” of the territory called Essequibo, which has long been ruled by Guyana.

“It has been a total success for our country, for our democracy,” President Nicolas Maduro told supporters gathered in the capital.

Guyana President Mohamed Irfaan Ali said his government is working continuously to ensure the country’s borders “remain intact” and said people have “nothing to fear over the next number of hours, days, months ahead”.


Wake up buttercups, new war dropped.

I personally saw this shit coming from a mile away.

The Archregimancy wrote:I think the part of this dispute that should be really worrying people isn't so much any potential military action by Venezuela against Guyana, but rather than Brazil has been massing its troops on its border with Venezuela in an attempt to discourage Caracas from attacking Guyana.

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20 ... e-heats-up

https://defence-blog.com/brazil-mobiliz ... -conflict/

So this very much has the potential to escalate into a broader conflict if handled badly.


EDIT: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News ... 704057011/

"we promise not to use force"
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:56 am

The old dictator fucks up their own economy and decides to invade a neighbour routine.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:12 am

I think the part of this dispute that should be really worrying people isn't so much any potential military action by Venezuela against Guyana, but rather than Brazil has been massing its troops on its border with Venezuela in an attempt to discourage Caracas from attacking Guyana.

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20 ... e-heats-up

https://defence-blog.com/brazil-mobiliz ... -conflict/

So this very much has the potential to escalate into a broader conflict if handled badly.

About a decade back, when I was occasionally undertaking fieldwork in the country, I supported some Venezuelan grant applications for archaeological fieldwork in southeastern Venezuela just north of the border with Brazil. It's worth stressing that this region is not thick jungle, but rather open savannah broken by mountains. It's southwestern Venezuela where the border with Brazil is predominantly jungle. So, in the hopefully still unlikely event that the Brazilians chose to intervene following a Venezuelan invasion of Guyana, it might not be as difficult for the Brazilians to have an impact as common perceptions of the region might suggest.

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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:13 am

And intolerance against minorities and the LGBT is what you get even with American hegemony. Just look at some of the people we have on our side, like Saudi Arabia. What exactly are you trying to prove? That people on russia's side are shit? I think anyone who isn't all the way out in the twilight zone can see that. We had a whole war in Ukraine to see that.

Also Russia isn't attacking Japan anytime soon. Outside of the imagination land of Russophobes, Russia is a failing, dying embarrassment of a nation whose glory days are behind it. It's run by a wannabe Tsar whose 3 day special military operation to rebuild his empire has turned into almost 2 years now of human rights violations, failures and the death of 11 Russian generals. I think Russia has proven that while it wants to be a world power, it just can't be one. If Russia attacked an industrialized country like Japan, they would probably get completely folded like a lawn chair, and proceed to have another Russian revolution. The 3 day special military operation would be 3 days for real this time, because by the end of the three days, the Japanese would be calling for help removing all the dead Russian corpses from the streets of their cities, and the destroyed tanks and personnel carriers.
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Postby The Selkie » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:19 am

Now hold your horses - Madura can open his mouth as much as he wants, nothing will come from it. Three reasons:
1. Yes, Guayana is not the Ukraine. But Venezuela is not Russia, either, so the chance of the US parking an aircraft carrier in front of the Venezuelan Coast and going "Yeah, no, you don't." is not zero. In fact...
2. Guayana is rich in oil. And, more importantly, the ones unearthing said oil is a charming little company by the name of Exxon Mobile, which, to my understanding, is an American Company. A bad combination, if I ever heard one.
3. As said, Venezuela is not Russia. Russia has, by sheer bulk and size, certain options in keeping a war going, even if they have to throw untrained half-children onto Ukrainian machine gun nests. Venezuela does not have these options, in fact, it is a one-trick pony, which is oil. Which loops back to Point 2. If we should have learned one thing from Iraq...

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South Africa trying to retake Rhodesia. North Korea attacking South Korea. China attacking Taiwan. And probably russia/china attacking japan. Why japan? Well Russia is imperialistic and china has a racist grudge against japan from ww2 and loves the idea of making a genocide of 120 million people for kicks (no more anime and manga for everybody).
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I can not estimate, in how far South Africa might be aiming to retake Rhodesia. I am simply not informed enough, sorry.
NK going for SK... more likely then Venezuela going after Guayana, but still very unlikely. Kim is not suicidal.
China and Taiwan, more likely, but right now, Xi is biding his time until the next election. Trump might offer him a chance, which Biden will not.
Russia and China going after Japan... no. Yes, they have their issues with one another, which are WAY older then WW2, especially China and Japan, but as long as Japan is a America's unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Pacific, Japan is very, very unlikely to be attacked by anyone (even from NK, who also have a few scores to settle with the Japanese, but as said, Kim is not suicidal).
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Postby New Kiwi Repupirikana » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:24 am

This is just me, but if Venezuela can’t sink a cruise ship, they should walk away from invading Guyana.
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Postby Querria » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:27 am

The Selkie wrote:Now hold your horses - Madura can open his mouth as much as he wants, nothing will come from it. Three reasons:
1. Yes, Guayana is not the Ukraine. But Venezuela is not Russia, either, so the chance of the US parking an aircraft carrier in front of the Venezuelan Coast and going "Yeah, no, you don't." is not zero. In fact...
2. Guayana is rich in oil. And, more importantly, the ones unearthing said oil is a charming little company by the name of Exxon Mobile, which, to my understanding, is an American Company. A bad combination, if I ever heard one.
3. As said, Venezuela is not Russia. Russia has, by sheer bulk and size, certain options in keeping a war going, even if they have to throw untrained half-children onto Ukrainian machine gun nests. Venezuela does not have these options, in fact, it is a one-trick pony, which is oil. Which loops back to Point 2. If we should have learned one thing from Iraq...

Last, but not least...
Querria wrote:[...]
South Africa trying to retake Rhodesia. North Korea attacking South Korea. China attacking Taiwan. And probably russia/china attacking japan. Why japan? Well Russia is imperialistic and china has a racist grudge against japan from ww2 and loves the idea of making a genocide of 120 million people for kicks (no more anime and manga for everybody).
[...]

I can not estimate, in how far South Africa might be aiming to retake Rhodesia. I am simply not informed enough, sorry.
NK going for SK... more likely then Venezuela going after Guayana, but still very unlikely. Kim is not suicidal.
China and Taiwan, more likely, but right now, Xi is biding his time until the next election. Trump might offer him a chance, which Biden will not.
Russia and China going after Japan... no. Yes, they have their issues with one another, which are WAY older then WW2, especially China and Japan, but as long as Japan is a America's unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Pacific, Japan is very, very unlikely to be attacked by anyone (even from NK, who also have a few scores to settle with the Japanese, but as said, Kim is not suicidal).


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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:32 am

Querria wrote:
The Selkie wrote:Now hold your horses - Madura can open his mouth as much as he wants, nothing will come from it. Three reasons:
1. Yes, Guayana is not the Ukraine. But Venezuela is not Russia, either, so the chance of the US parking an aircraft carrier in front of the Venezuelan Coast and going "Yeah, no, you don't." is not zero. In fact...
2. Guayana is rich in oil. And, more importantly, the ones unearthing said oil is a charming little company by the name of Exxon Mobile, which, to my understanding, is an American Company. A bad combination, if I ever heard one.
3. As said, Venezuela is not Russia. Russia has, by sheer bulk and size, certain options in keeping a war going, even if they have to throw untrained half-children onto Ukrainian machine gun nests. Venezuela does not have these options, in fact, it is a one-trick pony, which is oil. Which loops back to Point 2. If we should have learned one thing from Iraq...

Last, but not least...

I can not estimate, in how far South Africa might be aiming to retake Rhodesia. I am simply not informed enough, sorry.
NK going for SK... more likely then Venezuela going after Guayana, but still very unlikely. Kim is not suicidal.
China and Taiwan, more likely, but right now, Xi is biding his time until the next election. Trump might offer him a chance, which Biden will not.
Russia and China going after Japan... no. Yes, they have their issues with one another, which are WAY older then WW2, especially China and Japan, but as long as Japan is a America's unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Pacific, Japan is very, very unlikely to be attacked by anyone (even from NK, who also have a few scores to settle with the Japanese, but as said, Kim is not suicidal).


Hear me out. Maduro is a Putin puppet, and has the backing of nukes from Russia. No US intervention+ trump being elected into office 2025 (which he will; you leftists have done half the work of assuring that following cues from the east like the completely gullible fools you've always been) means no aid either, and it will be a genocide because you let it be a genocide by not supporting the US.


How the hell have leftists guaranteed trump will win because they "follow cues from the east"? Do you even actually know how many leftists do or don't support Russia or are you assuming that 3 tankies on nationstates now are the faces of left wingers across America?
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Uh... a new war to take attention away from the Ukrainian-Russian war.
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Postby Greater Rostoria » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:37 am

Saarenmaa wrote:Uh... a new war to take attention away from the Ukrainian-Russian war.


You can still have your attention on two wars at the same time. There is no limit to how many conflicts you can keep up with...
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Postby ARIsyan- » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:37 am

Saarenmaa wrote:Uh... a new war to take attention away from the Ukrainian-Russian war.

Ah yes, people are now making wars solely to distract from said particular war! A timeless tradition for sure.

In all seriousness, it is essentially unpopulated jungle so this is purely a PR stunt to increase nationalism and distract everyone from the total shithole he has turned Venezuela into, which isn't really working. And of course the referendum was rigged, this is Venezuela we're talking about.
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Saarenmaa wrote:Uh... a new war to take attention away from the Ukrainian-Russian war.

Ah yes, people are now making wars solely to distract from said particular war! A timeless tradition for sure.

In all seriousness, it is essentially unpopulated jungle so this is purely a PR stunt to increase nationalism and distract everyone from the total shithole he has turned Venezuela into, which isn't really working. And of course the referendum was rigged, this is Venezuela we're talking about.


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Postby Querria » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:39 am

Bradfordville wrote:
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Hear me out. Maduro is a Putin puppet, and has the backing of nukes from Russia. No US intervention+ trump being elected into office 2025 (which he will; you leftists have done half the work of assuring that following cues from the east like the completely gullible fools you've always been) means no aid either, and it will be a genocide because you let it be a genocide by not supporting the US.


How the hell have leftists guaranteed trump will win because they "follow cues from the east"? Do you even actually know how many leftists do or don't support Russia or are you assuming that 3 tankies on nationstates now are the faces of left wingers across America?


Because they brought it on themselves.
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Querria wrote:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/4/venezuela-approves-referendum-on-oil-rich-guyana-territory

Venezuela has claimed it has large public support to take over an oil-rich region across the border in Guyana.

The referendum result, announced on Monday, came after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) warned Caracas against “annexation” of the territory called Essequibo, which has long been ruled by Guyana.

“It has been a total success for our country, for our democracy,” President Nicolas Maduro told supporters gathered in the capital.

Guyana President Mohamed Irfaan Ali said his government is working continuously to ensure the country’s borders “remain intact” and said people have “nothing to fear over the next number of hours, days, months ahead”.


Wake up buttercups, this is something that tankies don't want you to see or talk about. A pro-ruzzia state known as venezuela has decided to jump on the anti-west bandwagon of starting a needless war. Who wants to make bets on the misinformation farms playing up narratives degrading guyanans now, or raising sympathy for the maduro regime if venezuelans start dying? I personally saw this shit coming from a mile away.

Next up:

South Africa trying to retake Rhodesia. North Korea attacking South Korea. China attacking Taiwan. And probably russia/china attacking japan. Why japan? Well Russia is imperialistic and china has a racist grudge against japan from ww2 and loves the idea of making a genocide of 120 million people for kicks (no more anime and manga for everybody).

My opinion? You guys don't like the west and wanted a multi-polar world without an american hegemony, well this and the intolerance against minorities and lgbt is what you basically get. Hope you're happy.

EDIT: Unless you're looking at Cuba in the last two years. Cuba is kinda based now that fidel is not in power anymore.

If you're calling it Rhodesia, you've been locked in a freezer for the past 40 years. & it's totally just an anti-west bandwagon, american allies never do anything wrong by virtue of their being allied to the US.
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Saarenmaa wrote:Uh... a new war to take attention away from the Ukrainian-Russian war.


Will it though? The american public on average is shockingly indifferent to violence and suffering in the global south. Many people will only care when a major stream of refugees smacks into the US border, fleeing the violence. And they'll only care enough to go on their Facebook page and post an ignorant take like "can we put an electric fence and landmines at the border? Shoulda built that wall, right liberals?"
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Querria wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
How the hell have leftists guaranteed trump will win because they "follow cues from the east"? Do you even actually know how many leftists do or don't support Russia or are you assuming that 3 tankies on nationstates now are the faces of left wingers across America?


Because A) leftists will not vote for biden in the next election because china's tiktok company manipulated you into supporting palestine through human sympathy.
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I'm gonna have to stop you right there. No one is being "manipulated." They're having legit sympathy for suffering civilians. Russia and China don't need to do shit. Israel is making that possible everytime they go colonel clusterfuck inside of Gaza. It's kinda weird that your solution to stopping a human rights catastrophe is that we should ignore another human rights catastrophe, this one being committed by an ally the US has leverage over, unlike Venezuela who is not an ally of ours really at all. Maybe Biden should exercise that leverage, and go out campaigning, and he can win back those leftwing voters so you can avoid having to live through another 4 years of the cyberbully presidency.

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Because A) leftists will not vote for biden in the next election because china's tiktok company manipulated you into supporting palestine through human sympathy.
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I'm gonna have to stop you right there. No one is being "manipulated." They're having legit sympathy for suffering civilians. Russia and China don't need to do shit. Israel is making that possible everytime they go colonel clusterfuck inside of Gaza. It's kinda weird that your solution to stopping a human rights catastrophe is that we should ignore another human rights catastrophe, this one being committed by an ally the US has leverage over, unlike Venezuela who is not an ally of ours really at all.


A few ten thousand dead in palestine, or millions dead the world over bradfordville. You can't have both.
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I feel like this is the 1st step of World War 3 starting up.

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Postby Fresola » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:44 am

Guyana is a full member of the Organisation of American States. The United States is also a full member of the Organisation of American States. I do not believe this will happen.
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Postby The Selkie » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:45 am

Querria wrote:[...]

Hear me out. Maduro is a Putin puppet, and has the backing of nukes from Russia. No US intervention+ trump being elected into office 2025 (which he will; you leftists have done half the work of assuring that following cues from the east like the completely gullible fools you've always been) means no aid either, and it will be a genocide because you and all he socialist on here let it be a genocide by not supporting the US < that's too vague. I should explain that dictators like maduro are looking at how you're responding to the israel-palestine war, declaring support for hamas (because 'free palestine' is supporting hamas to them) after tiktok influencers did it, and after they made half the us population look like retards by sympathizing with osama bin laden who wanted to murder them, that now thigns are at the point that people like putin, kim, zi, or maduro will look and go "yeah, we can manipulate the selkie and others like them into supporting our crap. they've done it already!"


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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:46 am

Querria wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:.

I'm gonna have to stop you right there. No one is being "manipulated." They're having legit sympathy for suffering civilians. Russia and China don't need to do shit. Israel is making that possible everytime they go colonel clusterfuck inside of Gaza. It's kinda weird that your solution to stopping a human rights catastrophe is that we should ignore another human rights catastrophe, this one being committed by an ally the US has leverage over, unlike Venezuela who is not an ally of ours really at all.


A few ten thousand dead in palestine, or millions dead the world over bradfordville. You can't have both.


Oh Venezuela is gonna kill millions of people? Where'd you get that information? Are you in the CIA? Does Venezuela even have the capability of doing that, or would it be easier for them to get millions of their own killed? Cause something tells me the latter is more likely.
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Saarenmaa wrote:Uh... a new war to take attention away from the Ukrainian-Russian war.

nobody cares about myanmar
that was in the news for like two weeks but it's still going on
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Postby Durius » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:50 am

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Saarenmaa wrote:Uh... a new war to take attention away from the Ukrainian-Russian war.


You can still have your attention on two wars at the same time. There is no limit to how many conflicts you can keep up with...

Of course there is. Public attention and state resources are limited. This is a tried method that Russia often took and takes advantage of. Plenty of wars or potential conflicts are already passing under the radar.
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Postby Tangatarehua » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:53 am

Down Scoblic wrote:I feel like this is the 1st step of World War 3 starting up.


I don't agree with that.

We're already at least ten steps down that road...
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Postby Querria » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:54 am

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A few ten thousand dead in palestine, or millions dead the world over bradfordville. You can't have both.


Oh Venezuela is gonna kill millions of people? Where'd you get that information? Are you in the CIA? Does Venezuela even have the capability of doing that, or would it be easier for them to get millions of their own killed? Cause something tells me the latter is more likely.


A mix of both. Lok, to get back onto topic here. Maduro has looked at what has transpired in Ukraine, Palestine, and he thinks he can take guyana because the anti-west crowd will support him. And he'd be right in assuming that. You may not support him, but you will be a lot of people holding Venezuela flags at pro-palestine protests in the near future. Take that as a sign that my text which appears as senseless babble right now may be correct in the future.
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