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What do you say?

It’s time to join the McDonalds Ownership Club
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I’d rather keep the vote, thank you
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Your Vote For McDonalds?

Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:28 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You can give up your right to vote (in your country and everywhere else) in exchange for legally recognized 3 percent ownership of all McDonalds stocks and a 5 percent ownership stake in 50 McDonalds across the USA (randomly chosen). All of this with no strings attached or costs on your part aside from losing your vote.

If McDonalds continues to do well into the future as it has in the past, then you’d essentially be pocketing like a mini medieval lord. You can then either use the money as a safety net, to help others, to stay out of the workforce, or to bankroll personal projects and dreams of interest.

Do you keep your right to influence your democracy with one vote, or do you become a low key lord of McDonalds?

What are your values? Poll is provided.

I would take the McDonalds deal. I don’t see how one vote will ever reasonably decide any election. Statistically, it’s a token power. Meanwhile, the money will be hugely influential and effective.
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Postby Fractalnavel » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:30 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You can give up your right to vote (in your country and everywhere else) in exchange for legally recognized 3 percent ownership of all McDonalds stocks and a 5 percent ownership stake in 50 McDonalds across the USA (randomly chosen). All of this with no strings attached or costs on your part aside from losing your vote.

If McDonalds continues to do well into the future as it has in the past, then you’d essentially be pocketing like a mini medieval lord. You can then either use the money as a safety net, to help others, to stay out of the workforce, or to bankroll personal projects and dreams of interest.

Do you keep your right to influence your democracy, or do you become a low key lord of McDonalds?

What are your values? Poll is provided.

I would take the McDonalds deal. I don’t see how one vote will ever reasonably decide any election. Statistically, it’s a token power.

What's the problem? Take the money, buy the politicians.

Also, 3%: only the first 33 applicants accepted.

Who cares about 50 random franchises.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:51 pm

Fractalnavel wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You can give up your right to vote (in your country and everywhere else) in exchange for legally recognized 3 percent ownership of all McDonalds stocks and a 5 percent ownership stake in 50 McDonalds across the USA (randomly chosen). All of this with no strings attached or costs on your part aside from losing your vote.

If McDonalds continues to do well into the future as it has in the past, then you’d essentially be pocketing like a mini medieval lord. You can then either use the money as a safety net, to help others, to stay out of the workforce, or to bankroll personal projects and dreams of interest.

Do you keep your right to influence your democracy, or do you become a low key lord of McDonalds?

What are your values? Poll is provided.

I would take the McDonalds deal. I don’t see how one vote will ever reasonably decide any election. Statistically, it’s a token power.

What's the problem? Take the money, buy the politicians.

Also, 3%: only the first 33 applicants accepted.

Who cares about 50 random franchises.


You would have to weigh it against the ultimate expression of Democratic right in the country (casting the one vote per election).
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:17 pm

Ownership, obviously
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Postby Trump Almighty » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:42 pm

I’ve always been a businessman after fixing New York City. Of course I’ll take ownership of McDonalds. I remember having a giant truckload filled with Filets of Fish, Quarter Pounders, and Big Macs delivered to the White House. It was very beautiful. I’m sure I can get at least a small sum of a million dollars out of this.
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Postby Kerwa » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:46 pm

It’s about 6 billion, so yes.

I’d obviously sell the stock, but I’d keep the franchises for LOLs. I think I’d use them to mess with McDs by violating the franchise agreement by selling food.
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Postby North Freachikion » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:48 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:52 pm

No.

Such a scheme is also possibly illegal so I report this person to the attorney general. Democracy and votes should never be for sale.

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Postby Vikanias » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:20 pm

No.
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Postby Tangatarehua » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:29 pm

I'll keep my vote, even though in this hypothetical it's the USA which is hardly a democracy anyway.

McDonald's has peaked. There's not a lot of expanding it can do, it only stands to lose market share in future and its core product is decreasing in popularity among consumers due to health concerns and changing dietary habits since the 1950s.

So basically, it's an absolutely shit investment that would guarantee you to lose money. Not worth trading away your right to pretend you have a say about which corporate puppet gets into office.

If it was a tech company, like Apple or Microsoft, I'd consider it - they're still growth industries and you can do a lot if you control them financially.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:55 pm

Investment in McDonalds, a crappy company that sells appalling food and which is being investigated for a toxic culture of sexual harassment, racism and bullying in the UK?

Or my vote, my democratic right to steer the process, and express my opinion at the polls?

There's not a chance I'd buy into McDonalds with bad money, let alone with my vote.

EDIT: And this OP certainly has a theme going. They've asked people whether they'd trade away their rights to vote at least three previous times.
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Postby Saarenmaa » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:47 am

Of course property, as a property owner I don't care what kind of policy the state will pursue in the social sphere, I need money, money, money, if you have money in any situation you will feel great, the main thing is that my restaurants bring more and more profit to my pocket.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:42 am

Saarenmaa wrote:Of course property, as a property owner I don't care what kind of policy the state will pursue in the social sphere, I need money, money, money, if you have money in any situation you will feel great, the main thing is that my restaurants bring more and more profit to my pocket.


Cool. What do you want to do with the money? Save it? Bankroll a project? It’s quite a sum eh?

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:45 am

I would vote for McDonald's. I would not give up my vote for a stake in McDonald's. There is a difference between those two sentences. :P
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Saarenmaa wrote:Of course property, as a property owner I don't care what kind of policy the state will pursue in the social sphere, I need money, money, money, if you have money in any situation you will feel great, the main thing is that my restaurants bring more and more profit to my pocket.


Cool. What do you want to do with the money? Save it? Bankroll a project? It’s quite a sum eh?


It’s not worth it.

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Postby Bradfordville » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:27 am

Just for like 3% of their stock? That's it? Nah man. I hate McDonald's anyways so no. I'm keeping my right to vote.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:30 am

Bradfordville wrote:Just for like 3% of their stock? That's it? Nah man. I hate McDonald's anyways so no. I'm keeping my right to vote.


How much would that be worth in practice? What’s the valuation of that stock?

Also, you get limited ownership gains/losses (which you could sell) from 50 McDonald’s stores. I would expect most McDs to be running at a profit since I’ve never personally seen a single one of their many shops here in HK ever close.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:57 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:Just for like 3% of their stock? That's it? Nah man. I hate McDonald's anyways so no. I'm keeping my right to vote.


How much would that be worth in practice? What’s the valuation of that stock?

Also, you get limited ownership gains/losses (which you could sell) from 50 McDonald’s stores. I would expect most McDs to be running at a profit since I’ve never personally seen a single one of their many shops here in HK ever close.


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Postby Jolthig » Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:39 am

I believe we can do much better in voting than using money to influence as a lord.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:23 am

I'm the only one who wants the policies I want. One vote for me doesn't matter.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:25 am

Also, part-ownership of McDonald's restaurants is unheard of. All restaurants are under the full control of either a franchise, which is itself normally under 100% control of somebody or other, or McDonald's itself.
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Postby Korwin » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:26 am

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Postby Floofybit » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:30 am

I just wanted the ownership to convince those chains to sell better (what are the ice cream things called). Like putting fruit in them. That's worth giving up democracy
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Postby Korwin » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:32 am

Floofybit wrote:I'm the only one who wants the policies I want. One vote for me doesn't matter.


There is something deeply wrong with you, Floof. The fact you view voting as a game of "what will you do for me?" and not "what will you do for my community?" shows a desparte moral failure deep within your soul. Then again, you proudly assert that if the ground you stand upon is drenched in blood, you don't care as long as you're safe.
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Postby Korwin » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:35 am

Floofybit wrote:I just wanted the ownership to convince those chains to sell better (what are the ice cream things called). Like putting fruit in them. That's worth giving up democracy


I literally cannot tell whether you are a serious person or a troll.
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