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Battle for Pandora

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Who do you fight for on Pandora?

The Na’Vi
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39%
Earth
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61%
 
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Infected Mushroom
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Battle for Pandora

Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:47 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

Earth is dying as a result of unchecked capitalism and a failure to fight global warming. Reforms and regulations are in place but it would take decades for the effects to be felt, meanwhile the planet is dying.

Humans have space travel tech and can easily send massive armies across space very quickly.

The planet Pandora (from Avatar) exists and it is a jungle planet inhabited by billions of blue sentient species known as the Na’Vi. The Na’Vi are a collectivist, anti-technological, pro-environmental, ultra wokist civilization existing in harmony with nature and all living things. For warfare they have spears, bows and arrows, and giant flying and running beasts to help them. Pandora is sitting on mountains of Unobtonium, a resource that can be economically mined to solve Earth’s problems for the next few hundred years (until a more permanent solution is hopefully found).

The Na’Vi refuse to allow Earth to mine the land. They refuse to trade the resource. They refuse to deal with Earth period, if Earth sets up bases on their planet, they will take those down. Earth sent a few teams (somewhat armed) to try and get the resources but most of them ended up getting slaughtered by the Na’Vi.

To make matters worse, a traitor called Jake Sullivan (ex military) has joined the Na’Vi and is preparing them for a prolonged campaign of resistance.

Earth is now preparing for a full scale invasion of Pandora. The Na’Vi have the numbers (by a few billions) but Earth has the overwhelming technological superiority along with the logistics to resupply. The people of Earth stand at nearly 100 percent in support of the invasion.

You must pick up a weapon and join and fight for one side in the battle for Pandora.

Do you stand with the people of Earth (your planet) or with the Na’Vi?

Poll is provided. Please give a reason.

I stand with the forces of Earth. My loyalty is to my planet and to my people first.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:56 pm

Defecting to the Na'vi, first chance I get.

I'm not fighting a war of conquest for a side that doesn't understand that other lands don't belong to you, just because you want them/their resources, and that other people don't have to roll over and accept an invader army just because you attacked them and said, "Mine now".

Also, haven't seen Avatar, but you make the Na'vi sound way more deserving of victory.

EDIT: And most any poll that says any population is "almost 100% in favour" of something is probably rigged anyway.
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Postby Eahland » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:05 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:ultra wokist

Obviously I'm fighting for these people.
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Postby Stella Nera » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:07 pm

Stella Nera stands with the people of this universe's Earth
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Compromise on other non-human sapient entities is possible, with limitations, but not on these buckets of bolts. They should serve humanity and have absolutely no place in society other than as our servants. Think of the benefits of this. Plus, they would almost certainly overtake humanity if we gave them the chance, whether out of pure advanced abilities or malice, or worse, both. Think of humanity.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:14 pm

100% the humans. Death to xenos.
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Postby Stella Nera » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:16 pm

Humanity First!
La Ferra Suprema Reigns Supreme over the vast lands of Stella Nera
A land where humanity is king, above god and devil alike. A blissful Utopia for Humanity, a horrible Dystopia for sentient robots.

Robots shouldn't have rights or citizenship;
Compromise on other non-human sapient entities is possible, with limitations, but not on these buckets of bolts. They should serve humanity and have absolutely no place in society other than as our servants. Think of the benefits of this. Plus, they would almost certainly overtake humanity if we gave them the chance, whether out of pure advanced abilities or malice, or worse, both. Think of humanity.

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Postby Vikanias » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:25 pm

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Postby New haven america » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:10 am

Why should we consider hypotheticals?

Also 40k's a blight on sci-fi don't @ me
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Postby Risottia » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:29 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:You must pick up a weapon and join and fight for one side in the battle for Pandora.

Do you stand with the people of Earth (your planet) or with the Na’Vi?


I pick "orbital bombardment".
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Postby Southglory » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:41 am

Humanity, we can call Pandora New Earth or New Terra after we win.
May we be opponents in peace and friends in arms.

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Postby Great Britain eke Northern Ireland » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:43 am

Southglory wrote:Humanity, we can call Pandora New Earth or New Terra after we win.


Clearly we should call it Victoria.
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:46 am

New haven america wrote:Also 40k's a blight on sci-fi don't @ me


It is probably more realistic than Star Trek though.

Infected Mushroom wrote:I stand with the forces of Earth. My loyalty is to my planet and to my people first.


You're a fascist, we know.

The Free Joy State wrote:EDIT: And most any poll that says any population is "almost 100% in favour" of something is probably rigged anyway.


I question how much of Pandora's resources would really help the dystopian earth in the movie. I'm sure the mining would make the wealthy even more money and opulence, while most of the people continue to barely survive on earth.
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Postby Socalist Republic Of Mercenaries » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:47 am

Damn I thought this was a FT-PMT RP thread
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Postby Quasi-Stellar Star Civilizations » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:52 am

Socalist Republic Of Mercenaries wrote:Damn I thought this was a FT-PMT RP thread
(Sadge moment)


Same here (but wait, It can be! Just make an II thread)

I'll stand with Earth. The galaxy is a tough place, and Pandora's one of the only other Earth-like places in the galaxy. Humans need all the help they can get.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:09 am

On the one hand, conquering those stubborn space smurfs and terraforming their world for human purposes sounds really based.

On the other, it's imperialist vampirism to fuel a dying planet with a world that's still alive.
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Postby Entropan » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:16 am

personally i'm taking the ensured non-death of billions of people (the effects the resources would have on earth) over consequences that would likely result in some pain, but significantly less

as long as we ensure that there aren't long-term environmental impacts, it's justifiable (although at the point you're describing, the only path forward would be socialism)



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Postby Risottia » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:25 am

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Southglory wrote:Humanity, we can call Pandora New Earth or New Terra after we win.


Clearly we should call it Victoria.


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Postby Floofybit » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:42 am

Are people seriously considering exploitation of people who look different than us for our own person gain? I thought we were getting past that...
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:45 am

Floofybit wrote:Are people seriously considering exploitation of people who look different than us for our own person gain? I thought we were getting past that...


We aren't, Floof. People like to pretend humanity has evolved since the 1930s and 1940s, but we really haven't.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:57 am

I would rather go down cursing the name of our ancestors than unload our problems on another planet and another race. If those are our options at that point, human civilization deserves to fall.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:01 am

Vikanias wrote:I am a human supremacist. Fuck those alien cheeks.

I'm not a human supremacist, but I would also quite like to fuck those alien cheeks.

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