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[PASSED] Repeal "Star Gazing Day"

Postby Mechanocracy » Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:58 pm

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General Assembly Resolution #687 “Star Gazing Day”(Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: All Businesses - Mild) shall be struck out and render null and void.

Reaffirming this body believes that while the bill creating star gazing day was written with the best intentions, there exists reasonable concern that it will have unintended consequences,

Furthermore concerned that by encouraging entire nations to lower the lights as outlined in Clause 4.2, pedestrians will be placed at higher risk of injury and exposure to crime as their cities plunge into darkness, and that this campaign against lighting on a society-wide basis is an integral aspect of the bill that cannot be reasonably mitigated without removing the resolution's primary aims,

Fully conscious that issues with light pollution on the borders between member states and and non-World Assembly nations, which will not necessarily be subject to similar restrictions on light usage, highlight that the international mandate contained within the resolution may be better suited to other organizations or handled at a regional level where collections of bordered nations can coordinate with one another to more effectively see through the intent of the resolution- without the resolution,

Apprehensive that resolution #687’s subjective and vague wording will create legal grey zones and unneeded conflict between members of the public over when the use of light is “unwanted, inappropriate, or excessive”, and that resultant debate may consume time better spent by local governments on other more important subjects of contention,

Disappointed that resolution #687 promotes spectral spectacle while seemingly blinded to these more grounded concerns,

The General Assembly hereby repeals GA#687 "Star Gazing Day."

Struck section concerning risks of blindness and skin cancer induced by star gazing. Added clauses to take into consideration economic and local political issues that affect the implementation of the target proposal.

Also reworked things slightly.

Integrated the feedback from Kenmoria
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:06 pm

Star Gazing Day is a name. It is not an invitation for every single person in every single member state to look at every single star with the naked eye.
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Postby Mechanocracy » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:12 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Star Gazing Day is a name. It is not an invitation for every single person in every single member state to look at every single star with the naked eye.

Indeed- Mechanocracy has hired consultants to look into the matter- and they've found that often members of the public are being encouraged by educational institutions to not look using the naked eye, but with a set of powerful magnifying lenses. The danger posed by such activity is obvious, as evidenced by the famous cases of blindness caused by staring at a star.

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Postby 0cala » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:21 pm

Mechanocracy wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Star Gazing Day is a name. It is not an invitation for every single person in every single member state to look at every single star with the naked eye.

Indeed- Mechanocracy has hired consultants to look into the matter- and they've found that often members of the public are being encouraged by educational institutions to not look using the naked eye, but with a set of powerful magnifying lenses. The danger posed by such activity is obvious, as evidenced by the famous cases of blindness caused by staring at a star.

If that were the case, then there wouldn't be microscopes that let the user stare into a star directly.

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Postby Mechanocracy » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:37 pm

0cala wrote:
Mechanocracy wrote:Indeed- Mechanocracy has hired consultants to look into the matter- and they've found that often members of the public are being encouraged by educational institutions to not look using the naked eye, but with a set of powerful magnifying lenses. The danger posed by such activity is obvious, as evidenced by the famous cases of blindness caused by staring at a star.

If that were the case, then there wouldn't be microscopes that let the user stare into a star directly.

A 5 milliwatt laser can blind - Would any reasonable leader trust a piece of metal made by the lowest bidder to protect their nation's children's sensitive eyes from something trillions of times more powerful?

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Postby Ostrovskiy » Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:12 pm

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"- oh, very well then, doesn't mean you need to repeal their resolutions for nonsensical and non-scientific reasons."

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Postby Hulldom » Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:33 pm

The first gripe is legit, the second one is sort of non-sensical for what the actual aim of the resolution is. Find you a new second (and hopefully) a third gripe and this will be fine.
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Postby Mechanocracy » Sun Oct 08, 2023 4:41 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:"Just because you don't like any of the delegations from the Communist Bloc, Ambassador, doesn't mean you need to clog the flow of-"

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"- oh, very well then, doesn't mean you need to repeal their resolutions for nonsensical and non-scientific reasons."

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"These concerns were brought to our attention by citizen Xcve A222, who conducts no business in the Bloc. Their concerns are likely..."

The delegate locks up for a moment. Maybe communicating with some outside source, or determining what the most diplomatic phrasing would be.

"Closer to home".

... There's more to say about that citizen, but it won't be said here. Shifting their eye once more, they examine the delegate from Hulldom

Hulldom wrote:The first gripe is legit, the second one is sort of non-sensical for what the actual aim of the resolution is. Find you a new second (and hopefully) a third gripe and this will be fine.

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Postby Simone Republic » Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:08 am

Tinhampton wrote:Star Gazing Day is a name. It is not an invitation for every single person in every single member state to look at every single star with the naked eye.


I guess camping in a national park (or an AONB in England) looking at the sky in the wild on a romantic evening should be fine, subject to there being no bears coming out to maul down those looking at the sky.

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Postby Mechanocracy » Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:13 pm

(Belatedly) Incorporated Hulldom's commentary and updated the draft! Feedback still absolutely welcome!
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Postby Mechanocracy » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:09 pm

Reworked the draft's wording a bit here, still looking for any feedback to integrate here!

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Postby Second Sovereignty » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:30 pm

"Is there, a particular reason," began Raxes, his tone betraying more than a little genuine confusion, "Why the draft contains, effectively no argumentation of, well, cogency? You begin with, honestly bizarre fearmongering about crime regarding a non-mandatory clause, move on to tired commentary about how non Member-States aren't bound by World Assembly law, which, let's just say, is not convincing in the slightest at the best of times, proceed to, meander around a point that maybe it isn't worth government time, - and I have to say, if the government isn't 'in the business', so to speak, of improving people's lives, even in areas fairly small, what is it doing, exactly? - which, I suppose depends on how difficult it is for a government to assign it to whatever form of committee they prefer, and... hang on, I'm running out of words to extend this sentence..."

He pauses a moment, coming to absolutely no conclusions. "You get what I mean. Next, you go on, more fearmongering about... 'media-driven denigration of the youth', and, I'm just going to put this out here, is that being used for effect, or is it something you genuinely believe? If the former, that's rather in poor taste; under no circumstances can the Sovereignty condone such concerning rhetoric regarding emerging culture. I make no accusations, of course, we're all friends here, but, really. If the latter, well, then I will make accusations, but we'll, ah, burn that bridge when we get to it... Finally;" Raxes clicks his mandibles together, "you end on a note regarding, risks, and forcing people, and so on. I believe, if I am correct, that it forces no one to do anything all, nor does it mandate that Member-States do so. I would consider this a violation of our Secretariat's rules regarding repeal, and it is best simply removed.

With all that said," Raxes clicks again, "Why, exactly, are we doing this? I'm going to be honest, Ambassador, the worst that can be said about Resolution Six-Eight-Seven, is that it doesn't do anything. If that is the core of the repeal, - and it must be, given the, lack of argument presented, - why waste more time on repealing it?"
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Second Sovereignty wrote:He pauses a moment, coming to absolutely no conclusions. "You get what I mean. Next, you go on, more fearmongering about... 'media-driven denigration of the youth', and, I'm just going to put this out here, is that being used for effect, or is it something you genuinely believe? If the former, that's rather in poor taste; under no circumstances can the Sovereignty condone such concerning rhetoric regarding emerging culture. I make no accusations, of course, we're all friends here, but, really. If the latter, well, then I will make accusations, but we'll, ah, burn that bridge when we get to it... Finally;" Raxes clicks his mandibles together, "you end on a note regarding, risks, and forcing people, and so on. I believe, if I am correct, that it forces no one to do anything all, nor does it mandate that Member-States do so. I would consider this a violation of our Secretariat's rules regarding repeal, and it is best simply removed.

The delegate turns to Raxes and closes its mouth. A speaker located in the shoe of the mechanical delegate comes online, and its muffled voice sounds forth-
"The idea that a bill can be immune to repeal due to its own ineffectualness is not worth entertaining. Your delegation may seek remedy with the Secretariat when this proposal if it believes a tort has occurred. Otherwise this will proceed."

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:46 pm

Ambassador Fortier stands to speak. “Your Excellencies, the Delegation of the People’s Republic of Kenmoria to the General Assembly is unable to support this repeal at present. I present some notes to the honourable delegation for the Mechanocracy, annotated on the draft, which present some minor complaints with wording. However, the more important issue is that I do not feel the harms created by GA #687, if any, are sufficient to warrant a repeal. It seems as though these are, at worst, minor teething troubles and collateral effects, which can be addressed by member-nations rather than through elimination of legislation.”

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General Assembly Resolution #687 “Star Gazing Day”(Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: All Businesses - Mild) will be rendered null and void. This is not a point of particular concern, since the Gnomes automatically add this text as a boilerplate to any submitted repeal. However, your Excellency is advised that the text is “shall be struck out and render null and void” rather than ‘will be rendered null and void”.

Reaffirming this body believes that while the bill creating star gazing day was written with the best intentions, there exists reasonable concern that it will have unintended consequences. As with all these clauses, the finishing punctuation should be a comma or a semicolon, rather than a full stop, excluding the final clause, which should and indeed does shed in a full stop. This clause as a whole reads awkwardly, likely due to the number of different ideas in quick succession. I suggest the following as a rewrite: “Reaffirming this body’s belief that, although Star Gazing Day was written with the best intentions, the resolution has severe unintended consequences;”. I have also removed the unnecessary reference to “reasonable concern”, since this implied merely from asserting that these consequences exist. Additionally, the resolution is not properly a bill, simply because “bill” is not the usual terminology of this Assembly.

Concerned that by encouraging entire nations to lower the lights as outlined in Clause 4.2, pedestrians will be placed at higher risk of injury and exposure to crime as their cities plunge into darkness. Turning down the lights on a society-wide basis is an integral aspect of the bill that cannot be reasonably mitigated without removing the resolution's primary aims. No clause should have multiple sentences within it, because the nature of the format your Excellency has chosen for this draft is that the entire repeal forms one complete sentence. There are two remedies for this. First, the clause could be reworded to form one, single expression: “Concerned that an integral aspect of the resolution, namely the encouragement of entire nations to lower lights as outlined in Clause 4.2, will place pedestrians at higher risk of injury and exposure to crime as their cities plunge into darkness;”. However, that does have the disadvantage of requiring simplification. Second, your Excellency could split this clause into two, with the first clause mentioning the risk of injury and crime, and the second clause decrying the centrality of that encouragement to the targeted resolution.

Marking that issues with light pollution on the borders between member states and and non-World Assembly nations, which will not necessarily be subject to similar restrictions on light usage, highlight that the international mandate contained within the resolution may be better suited to other organizations or handled at a regional level where collections of bordered nations can coordinate with one another to more effectively see through the intent of the resolution- Without the resolution. “Marking” is a strange word to use here. “Cognisant” might be a better choice. The capitalisation of “without” in “without the resolution” is unnecessary.

Apprehensive that resolution #687’s subjective and vague wording will create unnecessary conflict points between members of the public over when the use of light is “unwanted, inappropriate, or excessive” that resultant debate may consume time better spent by local government on other more important subjects of contention. Referring to “conflict points” is not, in my view, the best way to capture the harm involved in a lack of legal certainty. This argument could be bolstered by mentioning that the General Assembly should set a good example for member-nations in having unambiguous, clear legislation. There is also something of a grammatical issue here, in that the part about resultant debate appears to arise from nowhere. I recommend adding a comma and “and” prior to “that resultant debate” in order to resolve this.

Disappointed that “Star Gazing Day”, intentionally or not, plays a role in the media-driven denigration of the youth and their ground-based aspirations and concerns, which distracts them from solving problems here on the ground, and funnels them towards the notoriously dangerous and unscrupulous astronomy industry. This is a very theatrical clause. Some theatricality is fine, but the tone ought to be consistent across the repeal.

Recognizing that while there may be some who wish to view the night sky, society should not be forced to pander to them- Especially when it puts everyday citizens at risk, and therefore

The General Assembly hereby repeals GA#687 "Star Gazing Day."
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Postby The Pacific Northwest » Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:48 pm

Mechanocracy wrote:Disappointed that “Star Gazing Day”, intentionally or not, plays a role in the media-driven denigration of the youth and their ground-based aspirations and concerns, which distracts them from solving problems here on the ground, and funnels them towards the notoriously dangerous and unscrupulous astronomy industry.

May I ask what's so unscrupulous and dangerous about astronomy?

Mechanocracy wrote:Recognizing that while there may be some who wish to view the night sky, society should not be forced to pander to them- Especially when it puts everyday citizens at risk

Is this a holdover from previous drafts that included concerns about blindness and skin cancer, or is it referring to the dangerous, dishonest astronomy industry and therefore related to my previous question?
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Postby Mechanocracy » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:20 pm

Moving to last call, all up to date on incorporating feedback thus far.

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Postby Refuge Isle » Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:49 pm

A [joke] tag is usually applied to proposals such as this. In the circumstance that it is not in fact a joke, the arguments are uncompelling and bizarre.
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Postby Sylh Alanor » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:24 pm

Refugia's WA Affairs Department recommends voting against this repeal attempt. Further information and reasoning can be found in my informational dispatch here.

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Postby Isabella van der Feltz » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:41 pm


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Resolution at Vote: Repeal: "Star Gazing Day"
Vote Recommendation: For


Resolution Analysis

Overview
This resolution seeks to repeal General Assembly Resolution # 687 "Star Gazing Day", which as the title suggests picked a day off the calendar to name it "Star Gazing Day", and to encourage people to look up to the sky.

Recommendation
We look up to the skies and we see... darkness, void - a vacuum. We realise that we are nothing but a peck of dust in this multiverse. Our own achievements, our own nations, our own civilisations... will be nothing but a void, whether due to "global warming", the explosion of the Sun, or the best-selling Australian author
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Anyway, given the existence of a resolution on reducing light pollution - that is, General Assembly Resolution # 697 "Reducing Light Pollution" - we do not see the need to designate an international World Assembly day to "get people to look at the stars", especially as there are certain members of the General Assembly who believe the target resolution was wrong - it should make some general accommodation for other civilisations using different calendars, or on different planets such as Uranus.

For the above reason, the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote For the General Assembly resolution at vote, Repeal: "Star Gazing Day".

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Postby Bisofeyr » Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:08 pm

Our World Assembly Office has lodged a vote against the resolution in question. We believe the repeal sits on concerns that would largely affect an industrial nation with a greater desire for economic success than the preservation of their community's harmony with all that is. Dimming the lights brings us closer to this harmony, and this repeal does not bring to light any concerns that I feel warrant repeal.

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Postby Mengil » Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:53 pm

This is a wise bill but if we do repeal star gazing day we need a replacement so our citizens can still enjoy the beautiful night sky like maybe a sector that has the power shut of but it gets flooded with police to keep people safe

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Postby The Ice States » Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:25 am

Mengil wrote:This is a wise bill but if we do repeal star gazing day we need a replacement so our citizens can still enjoy the beautiful night sky like maybe a sector that has the power shut of but it gets flooded with police to keep people safe

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Postby Waffia » Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:21 am

The repeal claims that GA#687 has unintended consequences as encouraging nations to reduce lighting pollution may inadvertently increase risk of injury and crime.

We believe this to be an unreasonable interpretation by the repeal. We first reiterate that GA#687 does not require nations to dim their lights; it merely encourages this, only where these lights are not necessary, and only on a single day per calendar year. Nations remain free to make their own risk tradeoffs, and may already delegate these concerns to other organisations or local governments.

The proposed repeal grossly exaggerates the effects of a wholesome resolution, and should be rejected.

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Postby Zerphen » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:18 am

Where is this supposed "Clause 4.2?" Am I missing something? And how does that place pedestrians at higher risk of crime? Clause 4 (not 4.2, as there is no such thing) speaks only of moving the holiday if it would coincide with a national holiday.

The only argument that I could see being made for this being bad is that this might cause confusion for people from other nations, but that's not convincing or worthy enough for a repeal on its own. I think it is reasonable to assume that for a holiday cities will create venues for citizens to meet up at where they can gaze at the stars together. This is subject to the usual amount of crime that any public gathering in the dark is. If you think the usual amount of crime in a dark public gathering is unacceptable, then I suppose this is a reasonable argument. Thereby, we should ban all holidays and public gatherings which take place in darkness to ensure the safety of our citizens, of course.

Unless you meant to speak of Clause 2? That is the most reasonable interpretation of your wording I can come to. Really weird that you would mention a nonexistent clause. Did you not read the resolution before submitting it?
The crux of your argument, it's most important point, only works if you think every nation is turning off every light everywhere. I reiterate the point I made prior: this is subject to the same amount of crime as any other public gathering in darkness is. With this line not being as legally binding as you would make it out to be, I imagine smaller forms of artificial light, such as glow sticks or flashlights, could be allowed. Nations also do not even need to completely turn off their lights. Streetlights and other such things that would be necessary for safety in the dark could just be dimmed to a level where it is still possible to see but not create nearly as much light pollution.

And we have a "non-WA-nations-won't-comply" clause. That's a good point, if it were entirely impossible for any non-WA nation to ever be in line with international law. Of all things they can do, they could certainly recognize an international holiday. There is no reason to support the idea that because everyone won't support an international holiday outside of our international body then we should never have this holiday. And this is an issue for areas on the border, which I don't personally think is nearly as big of an issue as you make it out to be for this resolution in particular. If need arises, then your mentioned regional organizations could come in to play to ensure that both nations, at least in that area, recognize the holiday and turn down the lights, but either way this is not a convincing argument for a repeal whatsoever.

And there is a vague wording clause which seems to plague every single repeal I have ever seen. Vague wording is bad, I agree. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that part which you consider vague wording is explicitly out of the mandate being made by the GA. That is in the nonbinding introduction. It has no effect on the resolution beyond introducing it and explaining, in non legally binding terms, what light pollution is and why we might be against it. This thereby creates no legal gray area as you claim since there is nothing legally binding here.

You speak of the target resolution being blinded to these grounded concerns, but ironically your head seems to be further in the clouds. If any part of your argument was good, I would love this line, but as it is I will appreciate one of the greatest ironies of this august body written into law should this atrocious repeal pass.
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Postby Fishtona » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:40 am

The fact that the repeal proposal is put forth by that particular government should have you questioning it straight away. It should not be repealed

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