Was Benito a socialist?

[Almighty Biden]

High!

I have been reading about Benito Mussolini for about five minutes now, and have come to the conclusion that he is a socialist. Yes, it is true, Benito is a socialist! He stood for labor unions, and workers seizing factories, and a bunch of cool jazz like that. He published a socialist newspaper, and he worked on other socialist newspapers. Sure, he was a bit overobssessed with violence, but he was a socialist Italian nationalist, but he opposed communism, and that is why he formed fascism, as a way to bring about the socialist revolution, but in a way that made rich people happy.

Neverthelees, fascism is evil, as are all far right ideologies, but this thread is to discuss his socialism.

[The Selkie]

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I have been reading about Benito Mussolini for about five minutes now, [...]

A small suggestion: Put in a bit more research.

[Existential Cats]

Yes. He was a socialist. But later, he became a fascist.

[LFPD Soveriegn]

He used to be a socialist! Up until he got kicked out by his own party. Thats probably why theres socialist ideals in his fascism.

So yes. He was a socialist. Until the point in which he got kicked out of the socialist party, then he founded the ideals of fascism.

[Theodorable]

High!

I have been reading about Benito Mussolini for about five minutes now, and have come to the conclusion that he is a socialist. Yes, it is true, Benito is a socialist! He stood for labor unions, and workers seizing factories, and a bunch of cool jazz like that. He published a socialist newspaper, and he worked on other socialist newspapers. Sure, he was a bit overobssessed with violence, but he was a socialist Italian nationalist, but he opposed communism, and that is why he formed fascism, as a way to bring about the socialist revolution, but in a way that made rich people happy.

Neverthelees, fascism is evil, as are all far right ideologies, but this thread is to discuss his socialism.

Benito Mussolini was a REAL and certified authentic revolutionary socialist. Haters will say it's fake but it's true.

[Unified Communist Councils]

While Mussolini did have a background in socialist politics early in his life and was associated with socialist newspapers, his political journey took a significant turn away from socialism as he became a prominent figure in Italian politics.

Mussolini initially identified as a socialist and was involved in socialist activism, but he eventually parted ways with traditional socialist ideology. His ideology evolved into what we now know as fascism. Fascism, although it might share certain aspects with socialism in terms of state intervention and collectivism, is fundamentally different. Fascism is an authoritarian, far-right ideology that emphasizes nationalism, militarism, and totalitarianism. It promotes the supremacy of the state and the leadership of a strong-man dictator. While Mussolini did advocate for certain social welfare policies, his views mutated into a highly authoritarian and nationalist reactionary ideology that stood in stark contrast to the principles of socialism.

[Technoscience Leftwing]

He did not just “speak out against communism”, but to protect the super-rich from the class struggle of the poor. He is therefore a traitor to socialism, and he was rightly expelled from the Italian Socialist Party in 1914. From that moment on, he ceased to be a socialist and became a servant of Italian big capital.

[Almighty Biden]

He did not just “speak out against communism”, but to protect the super-rich from the class struggle of the poor. He is therefore a traitor to socialism, and he was rightly expelled from the Italian Socialist Party in 1914. From that moment on, he ceased to be a socialist and became a servant of Italian big capital.

he wanted socialism but in a way that worked for rich and poor people

[Unified Communist Councils]

He did not just “speak out against communism”, but to protect the super-rich from the class struggle of the poor. He is therefore a traitor to socialism, and he was rightly expelled from the Italian Socialist Party in 1914. From that moment on, he ceased to be a socialist and became a servant of Italian big capital.

he wanted socialism but in a way that worked for rich and poor people

Class collaborationism is not socialistic in any manner.

[Technoscience Leftwing]

He did not just “speak out against communism”, but to protect the super-rich from the class struggle of the poor. He is therefore a traitor to socialism, and he was rightly expelled from the Italian Socialist Party in 1914. From that moment on, he ceased to be a socialist and became a servant of Italian big capital.

he wanted socialism but in a way that worked for rich and poor people

It’s the same as putting a bear in a person’s apartment and saying: “this is a kind, strong bear, he is your compatriot and will protect you from any foreign threats.” It will end with the bear eating the man. So large corporations, settled in the house of the proletariat under the flag of “national unity”, first stifle his protest and then begin to eat it: they send him to war in Ethiopia, force him to tighten his belts in the rear for the sake of this war... coffins from the front go to families workers, and profits from the seizure of territories and the production of weapons go into the pockets of the monopolists. This is similar to the patriotic cross-class cooperation between the fisherman and the worm while fishing.

[The Tsunterlands]

I can prove he was a socialist through 3 logical statements:
1) I dislike socialism
2) Everything I dislike is objectively evil
3) Benito was objectively evil

Therefore Benito was a socialist. Checkmate libs.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

High!

I have been reading about Benito Mussolini for about five minutes now, and have come to the conclusion that he is a socialist. Yes, it is true, Benito is a socialist! He stood for labor unions, and workers seizing factories, and a bunch of cool jazz like that. He published a socialist newspaper, and he worked on other socialist newspapers. Sure, he was a bit overobssessed with violence, but he was a socialist Italian nationalist, but he opposed communism, and that is why he formed fascism, as a way to bring about the socialist revolution, but in a way that made rich people happy.

Neverthelees, fascism is evil.

Yes.

as are all far right ideologies

Disagree.

[The Astral Mandate]

I can prove he was a socialist through 3 logical statements:
1) I dislike socialism
2) Everything I dislike is objectively evil
3) Benito was objectively evil

Therefore Benito was a socialist. Checkmate libs.

logical fallacies speedrun

[Dumb Ideologies]

he was left wing but then the socialists tried to cancel him

[Nilokeras]

‘Anyway I’ve been reading this biography of Mussolini and he seems like a really cool socialist! The Google preview of the book only goes until 1917 but presumably nothing really changes after that - I’m going to go and ask NSG about this fun and unappreciated young leftist!’

[Rusticus I Damianus]

he was left wing but then the socialists tried to cancel him

Old habits die hard then I guess.

[Hammer Britannia]

No, and anyone who says that the far-right ideologies that actively promoted privatization (different side of the Alps, but privatization was a term invented to describe Nazi Germany's policy of selling government services to business owners) and collaboration with capitalists are socialist should not be trusted.

[Rusozak]

These LARPers need better material.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Like Trump was a Democrat.

[Hirota]

He was at one point, then he shifted.

Which doesn't mean that he was still socialist when he became leader of Italy, but it does suggest that it's clearly possible for someone active and militantly on the left to do a full 180.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

"He was at one point, then he shifted.

Which doesn't mean that he was still socialist when he became leader of Italy, but it does suggest that it's clearly possible for someone active and militantly on the left to do a full 180." - Hirota

He litterly once told the other Socialists of Italy that, to paraphrase, the main difference between him and them was one question, that of national or international Socialism, so like on one hand you have Marx's worldwide Socialist revolution, then on the other you have Mussolini that suggested focusing Socialism on the individual states on account of a phenomenon he saw happen with the Socialist parties in the other nations during WW1, where said parties rallied behind and supported their respective nations instead of launching the "worldwide revolution" or whatever, so he decided to double down on that effect. Italy on the other hand remained neutral for awhile so it's party still remained it's international orientation unlike the other aforementioned parties. Granted Mussolini did create more alterations from what I can tell, since the idea of Fascism is to create the "third way" so am alternative to Communism and Capitalism/Liberalism, and his version focused on natiolism over class, but at the end of the day it was just another variant of Socialism, like how you have Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism, Marxism, etc for Communism/Socialism. Then you have Hitler that formed his own version of Socialism that borrowed a few things from Fascism but otherwise was a totally separate ideology that focused on Race, and as what one of the Nazis said "Fascism is only surface deep, while National Socialism runs down to the root" or something to that effect, indicating that they didn't see eye to eye on everything (which they didn't). Tbh you could think of there being a giant tree, the tree of Socialism with tons of branches and limbs coming from it, and all those different limbs and branches each represent the laundry list of ideologies that come from it in one form or another like National Socialism, Trade Unionism (Fascism), Leninism, Stalinism, Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Marxism, the Modern Left, Falangism, etc, etc. Of course they usually absolutely hate being associated with one another for whatever reason, which I don't care about since all their ideologies suck and they deserve all the discomfort they get on account of all the bad things their ideologies have done over the years.

(Also for some reason the quotation thing messed up for some reason.)

[Ethel mermania]

He perceived totalarianism is a requirement for socialism.

[Repreteop]

In my personal and Gorbachev following opinion, I view Fascism as Communism except the state run businesses have names.

That doesn't mean I compare the two to be the same, its actually more like National Socialism and Stalinism, both pushed for the death of Jews and other minorities and were dictatorships, most of both are highly disliked and mostly followed by mentally ill and awkward people (I won't hold back on that truth)

Both also usually mention Socialism too.

My personal policies bring war to Fascists and Stalinists. I don't advocate right leaning bullshit that makes Fascism look any better than it really is.

[Free Democracy of Eurasia]

"He was at one point, then he shifted.

Which doesn't mean that he was still socialist when he became leader of Italy, but it does suggest that it's clearly possible for someone active and militantly on the left to do a full 180." - Hirota

He litterly once told the other Socialists of Italy that, to paraphrase, the main difference between him and them was one question, that of national or international Socialism, so like on one hand you have Marx's worldwide Socialist revolution, then on the other you have Mussolini that suggested focusing Socialism on the individual states on account of a phenomenon he saw happen with the Socialist parties in the other nations during WW1, where said parties rallied behind and supported their respective nations instead of launching the "worldwide revolution" or whatever, so he decided to double down on that effect. Italy on the other hand remained neutral for awhile so it's party still remained it's international orientation unlike the other aforementioned parties. Granted Mussolini did create more alterations from what I can tell, since the idea of Fascism is to create the "third way" so am alternative to Communism and Capitalism/Liberalism, and his version focused on natiolism over class, but at the end of the day it was just another variant of Socialism, like how you have Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism, Marxism, etc for Communism/Socialism. Then you have Hitler that formed his own version of Socialism that borrowed a few things from Fascism but otherwise was a totally separate ideology that focused on Race, and as what one of the Nazis said "Fascism is only surface deep, while National Socialism runs down to the root" or something to that effect, indicating that they didn't see eye to eye on everything (which they didn't). Tbh you could think of there being a giant tree, the tree of Socialism with tons of branches and limbs coming from it, and all those different limbs and branches each represent the laundry list of ideologies that come from it in one form or another like National Socialism, Trade Unionism (Fascism), Leninism, Stalinism, Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Marxism, the Modern Left, Falangism, etc, etc. Of course they usually absolutely hate being associated with one another for whatever reason, which I don't care about since all their ideologies suck and they deserve all the discomfort they get on account of all the bad things their ideologies have done over the years.

(Also for some reason the quotation thing messed up for some reason.)

Anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism is the only real kind of socialism in practice and implementation.
Everything else is a mental disease.
National Socialism is not even socialism, they use a different definition for those words.

[Free Democracy of Eurasia]

In my personal and Gorbachev following opinion, I view Fascism as Communism except the state run businesses have names.

That doesn't mean I compare the two to be the same, its actually more like National Socialism and Stalinism, both pushed for the death of Jews and other minorities and were dictatorships, most of both are highly disliked and mostly followed by mentally ill and awkward people (I won't hold back on that truth)

Both also usually mention Socialism too.

My personal policies bring war to Fascists and Stalinists. I don't advocate right leaning bullshit that makes Fascism look any better than it really is.

Here we have the irrational ramble of a traitor who would sell his country's dignity just to get along with international banks.
Stalin did nothing wrong.