Are European Civilisations Over-rated?

[The Republic of Covelandia]

Now, just as a disclaimer,I'm just grouping places into groups for more info go to the bottom. hear me out, I may be a little bit of a patriotic Muslim but besides that why do we also praise European culture. I never ever hear that many Chinese, Indian or Arab contributions. Most of western civilisation has borrowed from the Chinese Indian and Arabs in some way or another. From art to science and literature, we need to recognize the worlds cultures and each race’s contributions to our world. Anyways would love to hear of your opinions.

[EDIT] Answering a question about 'what is European Civilisation?' What I mean by European civilisation is basically like 'western civilisation'. the romans, Greek and Germanic nations. so basically, European civilisation is the British, Germans, Italy, Greece, Spain and France.

[EDIT] Explaining how we are catagorising civilisations with the region associated with them

Ok, I read through your opinions and one of them caught my eye, and that's what is European civilisation, if you're wondering I was basically grouping Europe into one group.

[Disclaimer and apology message]

Did an edit trying to fit and split as much regions into “Civilisations” I know there isn’t necessarily a “European Civilisation” so I tried to fit everything into one box, sorry everyone if I hurt your feelings and special regards for those who were insulted by my joke about a someone, I have removed the joke. And again I tried to fit as much as I can in the poll and tried to not offend anyone by leaving them out. I understand all cultures deserve to have a voice and to be seen. Sorry for anything I couldn’t do for you all.

[Edush]

I agree with you. All cultures are beautiful and they all should be recognized and respected. And yes, our world today is pretty eurocentric and generally aligned with the western civilization, but this doesn't mean that this is the correct way things should be.

[Bradfordville]

Extremely. Probably one of the most overrated things in world history. There's been multiple times where I found out that things allegedly invented by Europeans were in fact already in existence elsewhere before any major contact with Europe was established, and it made me question reality itself.

I mean seriously, greeks invented democracy? So no one before Athens ever voted on anything? Come on now.

[Tangatarehua]

What do you mean by "European" civilisation, exactly?

If you mean Greco-Roman values and western enlightenment then no, if anything we fail to hype it up enough.

If you mean centuries of Judeo-Christian-inspired repression and persecution then it's a sack of crap.

But ultimately I think the world is at its best when people communicate, share ideas and various civilisations learn from each other to better the human race as a whole.

[The Republic of Covelandia]

What do you mean by "European" civilisation, exactly?

If you mean Greco-Roman values and western enlightenment then no, if anything we fail to hype it up enough.

If you mean centuries of Judeo-Christian-inspired repression and persecution then it's a sack of crap.

But ultimately I think the world is at its best when people communicate, share ideas and various civilisations learn from each other to better the human race as a whole.

as in what makes wester civilisation 'western' so basically the roman, greek and germanic nations, so basically the HRE, british, french, italian, spainish and germany

[Bradfordville]

What do you mean by "European" civilisation, exactly?

If you mean Greco-Roman values and western enlightenment then no, if anything we fail to hype it up enough.

If you mean centuries of Judeo-Christian-inspired repression and persecution then it's a sack of crap.

But ultimately I think the world is at its best when people communicate, share ideas and various civilisations learn from each other to better the human race as a whole.

I think people like to see greco-roman values that never existed. For example, the idea that Greece and Rome were pinnacles of democracy, which is technically true depending on the era of Greek or Roman history but its also not democracy as we think of it today, seeing as not everyone could vote and a significant number of people were slaves.

[The Republic of Covelandia]

made some changes

[Pale Dawn]

Now, before all the Germans go painter mode, hear me out, I may be a little bit of a patriotic Muslim but besides that why do we also praise European culture.

Because it is important to honor and remember the history of one's people while we seek to build the future out of the present. We have created beautiful and impactful things that should be venerated.

I never ever hear that much Chinese, Indian or arab contributions.

I do hear some regarding them but always assumed their own people and cultures spent a lot of time and energy venerating their own history and accomplishments. Their accomplishments are not ours and we can acknowledge the contributions but will not feel pride in their accomplishments. Without that pride some of the zeal is lost.

Most of western civilisation has borrowed from the Chinese Indian and Arab’s in some way or another.

To a degree, yes and the footnotes for such sharing gets lost in the lens. This is at least partially valid as a accurate picture is helpful.

From art to science and literature, we need to recognize the worlds cultures and each race’s contributions to our world. Anyways would love to hear of your opinions.

Recognize yes, but it is not wrong to hype or to love our own history. So I do not feel it is over hyped, but properly venerated even while being unfairly dismissed.

[Durius]

Now, before all the Germans go painter mode,

Germans are among the least patriotic nations nowadays...

From art to science and literature, we need to recognize the worlds cultures and each race’s contributions to our world. Anyways would love to hear of your opinions.

What we need is fewer people talking about race like if that were some relevant concept.

[Ifreann]

Now, before all the Germans go painter mode, hear me out, I may be a little bit of a patriotic Muslim but besides that why do we also praise European culture.

Because Europeans took over huge swathes of the world and got mad rich and invented white supremacy so we could tell ourselves that we did it all because we're just inherently superior.

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What do you mean by "European" civilisation, exactly?

If you mean Greco-Roman values and western enlightenment then no, if anything we fail to hype it up enough.

If you mean centuries of Judeo-Christian-inspired repression and persecution then it's a sack of crap.

But ultimately I think the world is at its best when people communicate, share ideas and various civilisations learn from each other to better the human race as a whole.

Greco-Roman values being what? Pederasty and bloodsports?

[Bahrimontagn]

The Enlightenment and French Revolution are certainly overhyped/overrated.

[Ethel mermania]

Gandhi answers the question


What Do You Think of Western Civilization?”


“I Think It Would Be a Good Idea”

[Unogonduria]

Because Europeans took over huge swathes of the world and got mad rich and invented white supremacy so we could tell ourselves that we did it all because we're just inherently superior.

European monarchs and aristocrats, as the Eastern folks were either severely oppressed by the Ottomans, or raided by the Russian armies and government.

[Ifreann]

Because Europeans took over huge swathes of the world and got mad rich and invented white supremacy so we could tell ourselves that we did it all because we're just inherently superior.

*Western European rich people and aristocrats, as the Eastern folks were either severely oppressed by the Ottomans, or raided by the Russian armies and government.

Russia is part of Europe.

[Durius]

Because Europeans took over huge swathes of the world and got mad rich and invented white supremacy so we could tell ourselves that we did it all because we're just inherently superior.

*Western European rich people and aristocrats, as the Eastern folks were either severely oppressed by the Ottomans, or raided by the Russian armies and government.

Like it or not, Russian are Eastern Europeans and they very much conquered their way to the Pacific and even settled North America. In fact, their supremacist ideologies are very much alive today. So you are absolutely wrong to say it was only Western Europeans.

[Technoscience Leftwing]

In Soviet textbooks, I remember, they emphasized respect for those parts of the European ideological heritage that were connected:

- with scientific and technological progress. This is the idea of progress (tomorrow will be better than yesterday, people will have more knowledge about the world, and technology will be able to quickly change the world for the better), the idea of science (learn new things through experiment, and not from the dogmas of holy books), the idea of technology (nature is not a temple , but a workshop, and a person adapts the environment to his needs with the help of machines).
- with revolution and social equality, with emancipation from religion and from patriarchal prejudices. This is the idea of the people's right to revolt, and the equal right of all people not only to participate in the governance of society, but also to receive protection from hunger, homelessness and illiteracy. Lenin wrote that the three components of Marxism are English political economy, German philosophy and French utopian socialism, that is, he directly pointed to the European ideological heritage as the foundation of Bolshevism. The experience of the Jacobins in the fight against the clergy, monarchy and aristocracy was also used by the Bolsheviks.

At the same time, the idea of the eternal racial and cultural superiority of Europe over the backward periphery was rejected. The ultra-right was rejected: absolutism, fascism, etc. That is, there was a selective attitude towards the experience of Europe: take the revolutionary and advanced, discard the reactionary.

[Unogonduria]

*Western European rich people and aristocrats, as the Eastern folks were either severely oppressed by the Ottomans, or raided by the Russian armies and government.

Russia is part of Europe.

*Western European rich people and aristocrats, as the Eastern folks were either severely oppressed by the Ottomans, or raided by the Russian armies and government.

Like it or not, Russian are Eastern Europeans and they very much conquered their way to the Pacific and even settled North America, so you are absolutely wrong to say it was only Western Europeans.

Yeah, I forgot. I'll edit it.

[Neonian Imperium]

I never ever hear that much Chinese, Indian or arab contributions.

Because they weren't the ones that conquered ALL around the globe, that's why.
Chinese were islasionists, the Indians were divided all time before the Raj and the arab decayed with the ottomans and the arabs of the gold age of islam, while the european countries begun imperialist campaigns all around the globe and extending it's influence.

[Bradfordville]

Now, before all the Germans go painter mode,

Germans are among the least patriotic nations nowadays...

From art to science and literature, we need to recognize the worlds cultures and each race’s contributions to our world. Anyways would love to hear of your opinions.

What we need is fewer people talking about race like if that were some relevant concept.

I can't imagine the fury that would occur if we told a Chinese person "we really love all the accomplishments of the asian race" when talking about things their society invented. Or the confusion it would spawn in armenians and georgians who are technically Asian but not part of the "Asian race."

[Bradfordville]

I never ever hear that much Chinese, Indian or arab contributions.

Because they weren't the ones that conquered ALL around the globe, that's why.
Chinese were islasionists, the Indians were divided all time before the Raj and the arab decayed with the ottomans and the arabs of the gold age of islam, while the european countries begun imperialist campaigns all around the globe and extending it's influence.

I really hope you know that the ottomans weren't arabs.

[Theodorable]

There is no 'European civilization'. To classify an entire continent as holding a singular civilization is foolish.

not to mention the Europeans don't have any civilization

[Digital Planets]

Eastern Europe makes the rest of Europe look bad.

[Neonian Imperium]

Because they weren't the ones that conquered ALL around the globe, that's why.
Chinese were islasionists, the Indians were divided all time before the Raj and the arab decayed with the ottomans and the arabs of the gold age of islam, while the european countries begun imperialist campaigns all around the globe and extending it's influence.

I really hope you know that the ottomans weren't arabs.

Yes but they're treated as they were, also they're big referent of islam and islam for people=arabs.

[Bradfordville]

I really hope you know that the ottomans weren't arabs.

Yes but they're treated as they were, also they're big referent of islam and islam for people=arabs.

But you know better. Linking the ottomans to the arabs is a very strange take, when the ottomans were Turkish and their culture was a mix of influences from southeastern Europe, the middle east and central Asia.

[Bradfordville]

Eastern Europe makes the rest of Europe look bad.

No, and I'll tell you why. Albania is in eastern Europe, and Albania makes the rest of Europe look good.

The two headed eagle never sleeps.