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What do you think of the extremes politically?

Postby Robert Looking » Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:27 pm

So the question is, What, in your honest opinion, do you think of the extremes politically?
I personally remember the political stuff by imagining it is a line, on the left of the line, you got your Socialists and your Communists, which both regimes can lead to Authoritarianism, on the right of the line you got your Authoritarian people and your Fascists.
Personally I think no matter how far on which side of the line you go, you will get oppressiveness.
Leave your thoughts down below.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:30 pm

Typically extremes are not favourable, but sometimes extremes must be taken, such as taking an extreme stance against the death penalty.
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Postby Caulvedra » Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:33 pm

I don't see anything wrong with being on the extremes, having to deal with the wishy-washiness of the center and the centrist status quo which seems to never change for the better is extremely frustrating so I understand very well how it can draw someone to the far end of politics
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:34 pm

Floofybit wrote:Typically extremes are not favourable, but sometimes extremes must be taken, such as taking an extreme stance against the death penalty.


Respectfully disagree with the death penalty example. Some people simply put don't need to be alive anymore for the actions they have committed. Plain and simple.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:42 pm

Robert Looking wrote:So the question is, What, in your honest opinion, do you think of the extremes politically?

Extremists are ugly stuff.
Like, dunno, take the extreme left, always proposing to exterminate all bourgoises.
Or the extreme right, always proposing simply to allow them to live in the Gulag after the proletariat will have seized the means of mass production from the class enemy.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:43 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Typically extremes are not favourable, but sometimes extremes must be taken, such as taking an extreme stance against the death penalty.


Respectfully disagree with the death penalty example. Some people simply put don't need to be alive anymore for the actions they have committed. Plain and simple.

Do you need to be still alive for the actions you committed, or omitted to commit?
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Postby Glorious Freedonia » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:34 pm

Robert Looking wrote:So the question is, What, in your honest opinion, do you think of the extremes politically?
I personally remember the political stuff by imagining it is a line, on the left of the line, you got your Socialists and your Communists, which both regimes can lead to Authoritarianism, on the right of the line you got your Authoritarian people and your Fascists.
Personally I think no matter how far on which side of the line you go, you will get oppressiveness.
Leave your thoughts down below.
(P.S. this is my very first post in General)


Much like Archimedes, I do not like extremes. Except, I would like to have an extremely fun time.

I disagree with your definition of extremes though. I put Communism, Socialism, and Facism on the Left Extreme. I put Anarchy on the Right Extreme.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:40 pm

Oh, why, it's a question best summarised with a different one: cavaliers or roundheads?
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Postby Vikanias » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:41 pm

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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:18 pm

Trotsky wrote that the revolution is truthful because it washes away the makeup from reality with blood. Then a head-on collision of two classes is revealed: large owners against poor ordinary people. Under these conditions, extreme parties expressing the interests of these classes fight in the civil war. But such situations arise during periods of crisis, for example, when the ruling groups of property owners unleashed a world war among themselves, leading to famine and devastation in the home front, as in 1917, or when millions of people lose their jobs, as during the Great Depression. These crises arise periodically when world capitalism experiences a phase of overproduction, prompting the closure of factories or the fight for markets through war.

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Postby Bovad » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:22 pm

Glorious Freedonia wrote:
Robert Looking wrote:So the question is, What, in your honest opinion, do you think of the extremes politically?
I personally remember the political stuff by imagining it is a line, on the left of the line, you got your Socialists and your Communists, which both regimes can lead to Authoritarianism, on the right of the line you got your Authoritarian people and your Fascists.
Personally I think no matter how far on which side of the line you go, you will get oppressiveness.
Leave your thoughts down below.
(P.S. this is my very first post in General)


Much like Archimedes, I do not like extremes. Except, I would like to have an extremely fun time.

I disagree with your definition of extremes though. I put Communism, Socialism, and Facism on the Left Extreme. I put Anarchy on the Right Extreme.

I guess that would make you far-left.
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Postby Supreme Algerstonia » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:43 pm

i am more extremely right then every extreme rightist in history combined, and i despise the extreme left, the only things i despise more than extreme leftism are satan
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Postby Vallermoore » Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:05 pm

Equally bad. Nazism/fascism is truely vile and repulsive, and Communism does not work and has killed a lot of people. I think murderers do deserve the death penalty unless the victim's family asks for mercy for the culprit.

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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:34 pm

Robert Looking wrote:So the question is, What, in your honest opinion, do you think of the extremes politically?
I personally remember the political stuff by imagining it is a line, on the left of the line, you got your Socialists and your Communists, which both regimes can lead to Authoritarianism, on the right of the line you got your Authoritarian people and your Fascists.
Personally I think no matter how far on which side of the line you go, you will get oppressiveness.
Leave your thoughts down below.
(P.S. this is my very first post in General)

I disagree with the widespread left-right "wing line", as I think its rather inaccurate. I think of the political spectrum as being a circle, and all political ideologies fall somewhere on the circumference of this circle. The higher up the circle you go, the more authoritarian you are, and the lower down the circle you go, the more anti authoritarian. Likewise, the farther right you go, the more conservative, and the more leftward the more progressive.

I developed this idea in my head as a method of explaining what I call the "Soviet distortion", which is the fact that the USSR (a communist and therefore extremely "far left" country) had more in common with the Third Reich (a fascist and therefore extremely "far right" country) than with any truly liberal country. The theory I propose to explain the "Soviet distortion" is what I call the "theory of general political relativity". Basically, the more authoritarian a government becomes, the more it begins to lose sight of its ideology(ies) as gaining and maintaining power becomes its sole pursuit.

Essentially, think of total tyranny and total anarchy as two gravity sources (like say, a star) around which all political ideologies must orbit. Most political ideologies maintain a reasonably safe distance away from each extreme, but some get very close. The closer you get to one extreme, the closer you will be to other ideologies—regardless of fundamental differences—that also orbit close to the metaphorical star. (Does this even make sense?)
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Glorious Freedonia wrote:
Robert Looking wrote:So the question is, What, in your honest opinion, do you think of the extremes politically?
I personally remember the political stuff by imagining it is a line, on the left of the line, you got your Socialists and your Communists, which both regimes can lead to Authoritarianism, on the right of the line you got your Authoritarian people and your Fascists.
Personally I think no matter how far on which side of the line you go, you will get oppressiveness.
Leave your thoughts down below.
(P.S. this is my very first post in General)


Much like Archimedes, I do not like extremes. Except, I would like to have an extremely fun time.

I disagree with your definition of extremes though. I put Communism, Socialism, and Facism on the Left Extreme. I put Anarchy on the Right Extreme.


Fascism is not left-wing in the slightest, but is a series of far-right ideologies.

You should research into fascism a bit. And by "research", I do NOT mean "watch PregerU" or blindly read any other ultra-right wing media.
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Bovad wrote:
Glorious Freedonia wrote:
Much like Archimedes, I do not like extremes. Except, I would like to have an extremely fun time.

I disagree with your definition of extremes though. I put Communism, Socialism, and Facism on the Left Extreme. I put Anarchy on the Right Extreme.

I guess that would make you far-left.


I like the implication there that he is a fascist. :lol2:

Because there is a significant chance he is one.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:07 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Typically extremes are not favourable, but sometimes extremes must be taken, such as taking an extreme stance against the death penalty.


Respectfully disagree with the death penalty example. Some people simply put don't need to be alive anymore for the actions they have committed. Plain and simple.

Wrongful convictions happen, the death penalty is murder.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:11 pm

The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:
Robert Looking wrote:So the question is, What, in your honest opinion, do you think of the extremes politically?
I personally remember the political stuff by imagining it is a line, on the left of the line, you got your Socialists and your Communists, which both regimes can lead to Authoritarianism, on the right of the line you got your Authoritarian people and your Fascists.
Personally I think no matter how far on which side of the line you go, you will get oppressiveness.
Leave your thoughts down below.
(P.S. this is my very first post in General)

I disagree with the widespread left-right "wing line", as I think its rather inaccurate. I think of the political spectrum as being a circle, and all political ideologies fall somewhere on the circumference of this circle. The higher up the circle you go, the more authoritarian you are, and the lower down the circle you go, the more anti authoritarian. Likewise, the farther right you go, the more conservative, and the more leftward the more progressive.

I developed this idea in my head as a method of explaining what I call the "Soviet distortion", which is the fact that the USSR (a communist and therefore extremely "far left" country) had more in common with the Third Reich (a fascist and therefore extremely "far right" country) than with any truly liberal country. The theory I propose to explain the "Soviet distortion" is what I call the "theory of general political relativity". Basically, the more authoritarian a government becomes, the more it begins to lose sight of its ideology(ies) as gaining and maintaining power becomes its sole pursuit.

Essentially, think of total tyranny and total anarchy as two gravity sources (like say, a star) around which all political ideologies must orbit. Most political ideologies maintain a reasonably safe distance away from each extreme, but some get very close. The closer you get to one extreme, the closer you will be to other ideologies—regardless of fundamental differences—that also orbit close to the metaphorical star. (Does this even make sense?)

You came up with this?
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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:11 pm

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Glorious Freedonia wrote:
Much like Archimedes, I do not like extremes. Except, I would like to have an extremely fun time.

I disagree with your definition of extremes though. I put Communism, Socialism, and Facism on the Left Extreme. I put Anarchy on the Right Extreme.


Fascism is not left-wing in the slightest, but is a series of far-right ideologies.

You should research into fascism a bit. And by "research", I do NOT mean "watch PregerU" or blindly read any other ultra-right wing media.

I think they are advocating a different political spectrum than the "left-right" one in common use, one where you have total authoritarianism on the left of this line, and total anarchy at the end of this line. Kinda like this one that I just pulled off Google Images.

PS: I just read the text in that picture... :eyebrow:
I'm gonna guess whoever wrote that really didnt like socialism to the point of being somewhat delusional. (And that's coming from someone who doesn't like socialism.)
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The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:
Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Fascism is not left-wing in the slightest, but is a series of far-right ideologies.

You should research into fascism a bit. And by "research", I do NOT mean "watch PregerU" or blindly read any other ultra-right wing media.

I think they are advocating a different political spectrum than the "left-right" one in common use, one where you have total authoritarianism on the left of this line, and total anarchy at the end of this line. Kinda like this one that I just pulled off Google Images.

PS: I just read the text in that picture... :eyebrow:
I'm gonna guess whoever wrote that really didnt like socialism to the point of being somewhat delusional. (And that's coming from someone who doesn't like socialism.)


It is standard right-wing nonsense that seeks to demonize and generalize the left, as well as make false claims that Nazism is somehow left-wing.

Complete nonsense.
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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:14 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:You came up with this?

that links not working for me
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:16 pm

The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You came up with this?

that links not working for me

Works for me.

The take away is you just claimed to have come up with the political compass, something that's been around since the 1950s.
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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:21 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:that links not working for me

Works for me.

The take away is you just claimed to have come up with the political compass, something that's been around since the 1950s.

really? everytime I come up with a great idea someone with a time machine steals it and takes it back to the '50s! /jk

Eh, in all honesty it doesn't surprise me that someone else came up with an idea along those lines long before I did, as its nothing particularly over the top complicated.
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:23 pm

Most extremists, 'specially the authoritarian ones, are bad
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:23 pm

The word "extremist" draws false equivalence between ideas that couldn't be more different from one another. Left and right are not on level moral ground; leftwing ideologies seek to overcome hierarchies whereas the right wants to establish them or preserve the status quo.
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