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Who won the second debate?

Doug Burgum
1
2%
Chris Christie
3
7%
Ron DeSantis
1
2%
Nikki Haley
7
17%
Mike Pence
0
No votes
Vivek Ramaswamy
2
5%
Tim Scott
0
No votes
Donald Trump(despite or because of not showing up)
27
66%
 
Total votes : 41

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:05 am

Technically, this isn't the thread for the Presidential race: TGNO's done a great job with one over here. But besides the normal news about Trump's latest legal battles, the occasional ballot measure, and the eternal nightmarish merry-go-round of repeated topics here, this is the place for your general Amerianc Political news. Play by the rules and enjoy yourselves!

Plebiscite Plaza 2023:

Prop HH would lower property taxes across the board until 2032 and would allow the state to spend money to make up any shortfall municipalities and counties would face from the tax cuts. Depending on valuation changes in the 32 counties with the smallest increases in property tax revenue, lodging and most other nonresidential property taxes would go down in increments from 29% to 25.9 or 26.9%, agricultural property taxes would drop to 25.9 or 26.4%, renewable energy agricultural property(a new class of property) would go down to 21.9%, and residential properties would see taxes go down from 7.15% to 6.7% for many homes, 6.7% minus $40,000 or just 6.7% for primary residences and multi-family properties, and 6.7% minus $140,000 or just 6.7%, whichever's lower, for qualifying seniors. It would also send $72 million from the state's general fund to the public school fund. All of these decreases would expire in 2033.

Prop II(that's Double I-the letter) concerns excess tax money. Back in 2020, Prop EE was passed in Colorado, a measure that levied a new tax on vapes and raised other tobacco taxes. It ended up raising $318 million in 2022, or $24 million more than was expected. Under Colorado's TABOR, or Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, that would normally mean that the excess money would have to be refunded and the taxes lowered accordingly. Legislative Democrats weren't fans of giving money back to Big Tobacco, so they put this Prop II on the ballot. Voters will choose whether to refund the money to wholesalers and distributors and lower the taxes by 11.53% or make all of Prop EE's revenue TABOR-exempt. A Yes vote here is in favour of TABOR exemption.

Amendment 1, up for a vote on Saturday October 14 like the three beneath, would ban the use of funds, goods, and services from foreign or NGO sources in conducting elections.
Amendment 2 would ensure the right to worship at any place of worship.

Amendment 3 would require 25% of all nonrecurring state revenue to be given to unfunded liabilities in the state's two public pension funds(one for state employees, one for teachers).

Amendment 4 would prohibit nonprofits from receiving property tax exemptions on properties that are considered uninhabitable due to disrepair as determined by the city, town, or parish the property's in.

Now for amendments up for a vote on Saturday, November 18. Amendment 1 would allow the state legislature to consider vetoed bills during a regular or special session without having to convene a separate veto session. It would also stipulate that the governor's deadline to act on a bill is based on the legislative session in which the bill is passed or vetoed.

Amendment 2 would remove constitutional language concerning six state funds that are now inactive and move money within those funds into the state's General Fund.

Amendment 3 would allow parishes to provide a new property tax exemption of up to $2,500 for first responders.

Amendment 4 would allow the Legislature, by a two-thirds majority, to transfer up to $250 million from the Budget Stabilisation Trust Fund(AKA Rainy Day Fund) into paying down the state's deficit, currently projected to go up to $420 million by 2025.

Question 1 would require voter approval for certain state entities, including the proposed state-run power company in Question 3, to incur debts of over $1 billion.

Question 2 would prohibit election spending by foreign nations including any private or corporate entity with at least a 5% stake owned by a foreign government.

Question 3 would effectively nationalise all energy distribution and transmission in the state. The measure would create a new state-run company called Pine Tree Power, and this company would have the right to purchase and acquire, invoking eminent domain of necessary, all private energy distribution and transmission companies. These acquisitions would begin 12 months after the measure passes or six months after the first board meeting, whichever's later. There would be a 13-member board of directors, seven of which would be elected and the six remaining would be experts with experience in utility law and management, concerns of utility employees and workers, concerns of commercial or industrial electricity consumers, technologies related to electricity, cybersecurity, and connectivity, climate mitigation and planning, and economic or social justice needs for low income or moderate income populations. They would be appointed by the elected members, all members would be Maine residents, and all terms would be for six years. Private sector operations would be handed over to a nongovernmental entity that hasn't been found unfit(the measure includes fitness criteria) for 10 years, Pine Tree Power would be exempt from income taxation, but it would pay property taxes, and it can't own any energy generation facilities unless the Public Utilities Commission grants a waiver. It could only raise funds by issuing bonds against its debt and by energy bills. Pine Tree Power would be required to give the state an annual report on its condition by April 15 at the latest, and the company could only be privatised or dissolved by law.

Question 4 would implement a Right-to-Repair law, which means auto manufacturers would have to include owner-authorised car telemetry systems for their diagnostic software instead of the proprietary software that they often use.

Question 5 would amend the constitution to change the deadline for judicial review of ballot petitions from 100 days after filing a petition to 100 days after the deadline for submitting petitions to the Secretary of State.

Question 6 has a backstory that needs to be understood. Back in 1875, in an effort to clean up and consolidate constitutional provisions, a special constitutional commission asked for and got an amendment removing three sections of Article 10 from future publications while clarifying that Section 5(one of the removed sections) would remain valid. In 2005, the state made these provisions more easily accessible to the public. Sections 1 and 2 discuss the first session of Maine's Legislature while Section 5 mentions all the assorted laws and treaties that Massachusetts made that Maine's first Constitutional Convention had decided to keep. Among them, Maine vowed to continue upholding all First Nations Treaties previously made by the Massachusetts Government. The removal of this section has been a sore spot for Natives for many decades. Question 6 would amend the constitution to restore all the expurgated sections including those guaranteeing Native treaties.

Question 7 would amend the constitution to remove the current requirement that a petition circulator or author has to be a citizen of Maine.

Question 8 would amend the constitution to allow individuals who are currently under guardianship or conservatorship for mental illness to vote. Technically, they can do this already as the constitutional provision banning it was struck down on the federal level in Doe v. Rowe in 2001 after a 2000 ballot measure to do so was rejected.

Proposal 1 is an amendment that would eliminate the current maximum limit on how much debt small public school districts(meaning districts in any town or city with less then 125,000 people) could incur Currently it's 5% of full taxable property values.

Proposal 2 is another amendment that would extend the time period that sewer construction, repair, and maintenance would be excluded from how much debt a municipality could incur until 2034(currently set to expire in 2024 and routinely gets extended).

Ohio will be voting on August 8 on Issue 1, an amendment that would raise the threshold for approving constitutional amendments from a simple majority to a 60% majority. It would also raise the signature threshold for constitutional initiatives to 5% of voters in all 88 counties rather than the current 44-county requirement, and it would abolish the 10-day grace period for collecting signatures if the number's found insufficient. REJECTED

In November, Ohio will vote on Issue 1, an amendment that would establish a right to reproductive decisions including abortion. Abortion could sill be banned once viability is reached, but the state wouldn't be allowed to stop any abortions considered medically necessary.

They'll also be voting on Issue 2, a measure to legalise marijuana in Ohio. People over age 21 would be able to have up to 2.5 ounces of marijuana or 15 grams of concentrated marijuana. Individuals could own up to six mature plants and six seedlings in their homes, and households could have a combined total of 12 plants and seedlings. Enforcement, licensing, and regulation would be undertaken by the new Division of Cannabis Control. All sales would be taxed at 10%, and all proceeds go to the new Cannabis Social Equity and Jobs Programme, which would provide licence assistance and financial support for individuals who've been disproportionately affected by enforcement of previous drug laws and want to get into the business.

Normally, Oklahoma doesn't make odd-numbered year appearances, but a measure got on the ballot too late for 2022. SQ 820, up for a vote on March 7, would legalise marijuana in Oklahoma. Adults over age 21 could possess, transport, or distribute up to one ounce or marijuana, eight grams of concentrated marijuana, or up to eight grams of concentrated marijuana in infused products such as edibles. People could own up to six mature plants and up to six seedlings, and a process would be set up for expungement or modification of previous marijuana-related crimes. Sales would be taxed at 15%, with most funds going to the Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority's implementation of this measure. Remaining funds would be distributed to the state's general fund(30%), public school grants to encourage student retention, after-school and enrichment, and campaigns against substance abuse(30%), grants to government agencies and non-profits to fund addiction treatment and OD prevention programmes(20%), the state judicial revolving fund(10%), and the city or county where the weed was sold(10%). REJECTED

Prop 1 would establish a constitutional right to farming, ranching, wildlife management, horticulture, and timbering.

Prop 2 would allow partial(no less than 50%) or total property tax exemptions for child care facilities.

Prop 3 would ban wealth or net worth taxes in Texas.

Prop 4 would increase homestead exemptions on property taxes to $100,000 from the current $40,000. It would also allow the state legislature to impose limits on annual appraisal increases on non-homestead properties, allow the legislature to pass a law requiring four-year terms for elected officials of appraising bodies(such as counties) with a population of at least 75,000 people, and it would exempt education spending increases from the state appropriations limit.

Prop 5 would rename the National University Research Fund to the Texas University Fund. It would also allocate the annual interest, earnings, and investment income from the state Economic Stabilisation Fund to it.

Prop 6 would create the Texas Water Fund to be run by the Texas Water Development Board and used to finance water projects.

Prop 7 would create the Texas Energy Fund, funded by the Legislature and run by the Public Utilities Commission. The fund would be used to update power plants.

Prop 8 would create the Texas Broadband Infrastructure Fund, funded by the Legislature and used to finance broadband and telecommunications projects.

Prop 9 would allow the legislature to make cost-of-living adjustments for pensioners in the State Teacher's Retirement Fund for two years.

Prop 10 would create a new property tax exemption for personal property manufactured by medical or biomedical companies.

Prop 11 would allow conservation and reclamation districts in El Paso County to issue bonds to fund county parks and recreation facilities.

Prop 12 is a county amendment. Yes, Texas does have them, but they aren't as common as Alabama. This amendment would abolish the office of County Treasurer in Galveston County. This is up because the recently-elected treasurer of the County is a fairly Libertarian guy who ran specifically on a promise to abolish his office, which requires an amendment because Treasurer is a constitutional office for most counties. Both the state and the county will have to approve it.

Prop 13 would raise the mandatory retirement age for state judges from age 75 to 79. It would also remove a provision that requires judges to retire at the end of their fourth year of a six-year term if they reach retirement age within that span.

Prop 14 would create the Centennial Parks Conservation Fund, which would be financed through legislative grants, Parks and Wildlife Department grants, and through investments. This fund would be used for creating and maintaining state parks.

Question 1, to be voted on on April 4 with the next measure, would amend the constitution to allow the state legislature to define "serious harm" in relation to the conditions that a judge can impose on an accused person if they're released from jail before conviction. At the moment, judges can impose any condition they want to prevent bodily harm to others.

Question 2 would amend the constitution to allow judges to consider an accused person's previous convictions, the probability of them not appearing in court, the need to protect the community from serious harm(as defined by Question 1 if it passes), the need to protect witnesses from harm, and any potential affirmative defences before setting cash bail amounts. BOTH APPROVED
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:13 am

Oi, I am the first one here for the first time!

I do have to ponder the current title though: shouldn't it be something a little more related to Trump?

Anyway, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has started effort to boost Biden and Democrats in 2024.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:15 am

Zurkerx wrote:Oi, I am the first one here for the first time!

I do have to ponder the current title though: shouldn't it be something a little more related to Trump?


Nah, Trump's a poopy head.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:20 am

Third!

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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:22 am

Fourth in the new thread. Will we see any new developments in the race for the bottom, I mean for president?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:30 am

Fifth.

How about: The Trump Legacy: Behind bars.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:38 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Fifth.

How about: The Trump Legacy: Behind bars.


I was thinking more "The Secret is Out". He hasn't been convicted yet. Or Trump's Double Whammy.

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Woot! My title suggestion got used! Thanks Shrilll!

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There is no chance in hell of Trump getting to 270. Republican primary voters keep telling themselves "We just have to keep pushing the red pill, then people will wake up, and support Trump."


I really wouldn't be so sure of this. Biden's victory over Trump was about as close as Trumps was over Clinton. 12,000 votes in Georgia, 20,000 votes in Wisconsin, 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania. If we get Trump v Biden again and the economy is still in a shitty place Trump could very easily win.


To pull from the other thread. So, the economy overall is good, but it's things like prices and cost of living that's hurting people's wallets. So, it's more of their own personal finances rather than the economy as a whole I believe is why people think the economy is bad - despite it defying expectations. Inflation has been going down, but will it be enough come 2024 and whether prices stabilize remains to be seen.
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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:39 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Fifth.

How about: The Trump Legacy: Behind bars.


Or "The Donfather part II."
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:28 pm

If Don is gonna be arraigned, we might as well prepare for the Trumpers to storm the capitol again.

It's funny how something like this could be seen as "bias". Like, nowadays, we have the left helping and the right just doing who knows what crap.

Data says so. Right-wing zealots are at an all-time high, whilst the left hasn't hurt a soul.

I'd personally say that the sane "center-right" has become part of the modern right: unscientific, hateful, and overall bad.

Like, the left-right spectrum has become shorter when it comes to the right; we can see this as conservatives become more radical, transphobic, and anti-left.

Thoughts? I do believe that I'm correct in the spectrum aspect.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
There is no chance in hell of Trump getting to 270. Republican primary voters keep telling themselves "We just have to keep pushing the red pill, then people will wake up, and support Trump."


I really wouldn't be so sure of this. Biden's victory over Trump was about as close as Trumps was over Clinton. 12,000 votes in Georgia, 20,000 votes in Wisconsin, 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania. If we get Trump v Biden again and the economy is still in a shitty place Trump could very easily win.

It could but it people might not be willing to trust Trump or the republicans. I mean look at the midterms, the economy wasn’t great, everything was shitty, and yet the republicans barely flipped the House and lost multiple state legislatures, governors, and a senate seat.

The old calculus of the economy being the predictor might not be true anymore.

And when it comes to PA and AZ I believe those are trending more towards dem holds. Which is all the Dems need.
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Postby Southland » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:34 pm

Just came here to be on the first page.

To make sure it's somewhat related to politics/the economy, the FTC is going to block Microsoft's $69 Billion buyout of Blizzard. While I'm pretty critical of Biden, I do give him credit for (mostly) delivering on his promise to reign in Silicon Valley's excesses. I mean, the moment the U.S. is more stricter on corporate buyouts than the friggin EU...
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:40 pm

Trump is holding true to his word: if he wins in 2024 (which I guess he's admitting he lost in 2020), vows to appoint a special prosecutor to go after Biden. That would require an AG that would be loyal to him. Trump in the past has wanted to target his political opponents so this isn't a surprise.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:42 pm

I do think (by a decent margin) that faithless, conservative electors will help Trump.

Like, with how conservatism has become more extreme, and the GOP basically the church of the orange man, Trump could win with faithless electors.

For example, the Hamilton Electors (Never Trumpers who could have helped Hillary win but wasted the vote on other nobodies) did influence the 2016 election. Oftentimes, ya gotta go off what ya know and see, and I see today's GOP being a hive of faithless, pro-Trump electors.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:43 pm

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Zurkerx wrote:In a stunning and a surprise victory for Voting Rights, in a 5-4 ruling, The Supreme Court on Thursday struck down the Republican-drawn congressional districts in Alabama, keeping intact Section 2 of the 1965 Voting Rights Act and ruling the maps were a racial gerrymander.

Roberts and Kavanaugh joined the three Democratic Justices. This means now that Alabama must redrawn its maps and include a second majority Black District.

To say I'm shocked is understatement, especially with how the Conservative Supreme Court has ruled in the past. This now make Democrats feel emboldened in places like Florida to get such districts back, where DeSantis has done a similar thing.


Quite a surprising ruling. This means an automatic gain for Democrats.

It might also mean a second majority black district in Louisiana and Mississippi too.

Not just there but also in North Carolina and other southern states. Btw here’s the updated Cook House ratings after this ruling
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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I really wouldn't be so sure of this. Biden's victory over Trump was about as close as Trumps was over Clinton. 12,000 votes in Georgia, 20,000 votes in Wisconsin, 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania. If we get Trump v Biden again and the economy is still in a shitty place Trump could very easily win.

It could but it people might not be willing to trust Trump or the republicans. I mean look at the midterms, the economy wasn’t great, everything was shitty, and yet the republicans barely flipped the House and lost multiple state legislatures, governors, and a senate seat.

The old calculus of the economy being the predictor might not be true anymore.

And when it comes to PA and AZ I believe those are trending more towards dem holds. Which is all the Dems need.


AZ is but I feel PA is still in limbo though it has been more favorable to Democrats in recent years.

Anyway, you would be correct: Biden can lose places like Georgia and Wisconsin and NE-2 and still win with 276 to 262.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:47 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:I do think (by a decent margin) that faithless, conservative electors will help Trump.

Like, with how conservatism has become more extreme, and the GOP basically the church of the orange man, Trump could win with faithless electors.

This can’t legally happen as electors are legally required to vote as their states vote/direct and this can and will be enforced by law.

This is constitutional too btw

For example, the Hamilton Electors (Never Trumpers who could have helped Hillary win but wasted the vote on other nobodies) did influence the 2016 election. Oftentimes, ya gotta go off what ya know and see, and I see today's GOP being a hive of faithless, pro-Trump electors.

Again there’s 36 states which require their electors to vote by the popular vote of their state and the state can legally replace a faithless elector.

It’s not going to happen at all.

Plus each state (besides NB and Maine) has two skates of electors on democrat and one republican. Which group is sent depends on who wins the vote of that state. Which further means that faithless republican electors can’t do shit
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:49 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:It could but it people might not be willing to trust Trump or the republicans. I mean look at the midterms, the economy wasn’t great, everything was shitty, and yet the republicans barely flipped the House and lost multiple state legislatures, governors, and a senate seat.

The old calculus of the economy being the predictor might not be true anymore.

And when it comes to PA and AZ I believe those are trending more towards dem holds. Which is all the Dems need.


AZ is but I feel PA is still in limbo though it has been more favorable to Democrats in recent years.

Anyway, you would be correct: Biden can lose places like Georgia and Wisconsin and NE-2 and still win with 276 to 262.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/BDVxv

Yup which means that if worse comes to worse the Dems will just heavily target PA and AZ instead of GA, NC, and WI.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:50 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:I do think (by a decent margin) that faithless, conservative electors will help Trump.

Like, with how conservatism has become more extreme, and the GOP basically the church of the orange man, Trump could win with faithless electors.

This can’t legally happen as electors are legally required to vote as their states vote/direct and this can and will be enforced by law.

This is constitutional too btw

For example, the Hamilton Electors (Never Trumpers who could have helped Hillary win but wasted the vote on other nobodies) did influence the 2016 election. Oftentimes, ya gotta go off what ya know and see, and I see today's GOP being a hive of faithless, pro-Trump electors.

Again there’s 36 states which require their electors to vote by the popular vote of their state and the state can legally replace a faithless elector.

It’s not going to happen at all.

Plus each state (besides NB and Maine) has two skates of electors on democrat and one republican. Which group is sent depends on who wins the vote of that state. Which further means that faithless republican electors can’t do shit

Some states count faithless electors' votes but with a penalty.

California, for example, would only be able to punish a faithless elector but not void their vote.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:53 pm

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AZ is but I feel PA is still in limbo though it has been more favorable to Democrats in recent years.

Anyway, you would be correct: Biden can lose places like Georgia and Wisconsin and NE-2 and still win with 276 to 262.

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Yup which means that if worse comes to worse the Dems will just heavily target PA and AZ instead of GA, NC, and WI.


Correct though I don't think they should let their guard down in States like Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, or New Hampshire, especially Michigan and Nevada. Now, Biden can afford to lose Nevada and that would be a 270-268, but after that, they can ill afford to lose anymore.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:06 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:This can’t legally happen as electors are legally required to vote as their states vote/direct and this can and will be enforced by law.

This is constitutional too btw


Again there’s 36 states which require their electors to vote by the popular vote of their state and the state can legally replace a faithless elector.

It’s not going to happen at all.

Plus each state (besides NB and Maine) has two skates of electors on democrat and one republican. Which group is sent depends on who wins the vote of that state. Which further means that faithless republican electors can’t do shit

Some states count faithless electors' votes but with a penalty.

California, for example, would only be able to punish a faithless elector but not void their vote.

And California goes democrat almost all the time and only sends a slate of democrat electors. There are no republicans from California as electors
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Postby Urkennalaid » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Some states count faithless electors' votes but with a penalty.

California, for example, would only be able to punish a faithless elector but not void their vote.

And California goes democrat almost all the time and only sends a slate of democrat electors. There are no republicans from California as electors


California is more Dem now but they did give the US Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, and theres plenty of right-wing voters inside of the state.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:40 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:And California goes democrat almost all the time and only sends a slate of democrat electors. There are no republicans from California as electors


California is more Dem now but they did give the US Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, and theres plenty of right-wing voters inside of the state.

About a third of California has voted Republican in the last several presidential elections.

More Californians voted for Trump in 2020 than Texans.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:41 pm

Urkennalaid wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And California goes democrat almost all the time and only sends a slate of democrat electors. There are no republicans from California as electors


California is more Dem now but they did give the US Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, and theres plenty of right-wing voters inside of the state.

Hoo boy, and let's not forget the Russian-funded operation to split EaCal (East California) from the rest of the state.

Damn, partisan as it is (not!), the people who call social justice advocates snowflakes are trying to make like a tree and escape the so-called "woke mind virus" nonsense conservatives nowadays push.
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