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[PASSED] Repeal "Individual Working Freedoms"

Postby The Ice States » Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:23 pm

Ooc: I have noticed that there have been various efforts to repeal this resolution in the past. Removing a resolution which does effectively nothing except block a worthy topic to legislate on is a good thing. Planned submission date: 13th of July, depending on the queue.

Ic: "This target seems to be a resolution which does effectively nothing except facilitate oppression of the proletariat at the hands of capitalistic greed. Despite repeal efforts by various prominent contributors to this body, such as the esteemed Scionite delegation, it remains standing and obstructs the ability of this body to defend the rights of workers. We are not drafting an immediate replacement, as the target has no real effect besides blocking a topic of regulations to protect workers."

Celebrating its efforts to defend the rights of employees through resolutions including "Restrictions on Child Labor", "Workplace Safety Standards Act", and "Protecting the Rights of Labour Unions";

Believing that the resolution "Individual Working Freedoms" stands in the way of protection of workers, as it effectively does nothing except restrict the ability of the World Assembly to protect the rights of employees;

Noting that one of the only clauses in the resolution which is actually binding on member nations, lifting all "working time regulations that serve only to reduce individual liberty and that do not serve any other purpose", has an extraordinarily vague standard which does nothing to prevent member nations from rationalising regulations as having some purpose besides "reduc[ing] individual liberty";

Perturbed that Section 3 bars the World Assembly from interfering in the decisions of member nations regarding "whether to set specific regulations on workweeks and working time in the general public interest", a broad scope which does not only apply to a mandate for "one standard working week", but also prohibition of practices such as coercing employees to accept overly long shifts to the point of being psychologically or physically burdensome, on threat of starvation or unemployment;

Recognising that although the World Assembly has legislated to protect labour unions, they still may often have insufficient bargaining power to prevent such exploitation of labour, as employers frequently maintain more power over employees, and by extension unions they form, than vice versa;

Convinced that the rationale of the resolution for doing this, ie that "any attempt to impose a universal manacle of working time restriction [is] a grossly unfair abrogation of individual freedoms", is insufficient, as it is in fact beneficial for individual freedoms for workers not to be coerced into shifts of a physically or psychologically detrimental length;

Finding that as the resolution has no substantive effect besides restricting the ability of the World Assembly to protect workers against exploitation, its repeal will not affect the rights of workers, except that the World Assembly will have a greater authority to legislate in favour of workers in the future;

The World Assembly repeals GA #302, "Individual Working Freedoms".
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Postby The Ice States » Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:24 pm

Drafts which joined labour unions.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:13 am

Is "calls upon" not binding?
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Postby The Ice States » Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:25 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Is "calls upon" not binding?

Thanks for pointing this out. I have amended the draft accordingly.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:59 pm

Neville: 'It looks like the International Federalist brigade continues its war on national sovereignty. There are many different species throughout the multiverse with varying physical and mental capabilities and we fear that any World Assembly resolution on this topic will neglect to take that into account, yet any potential resolution that does take that fact into account will no doubt be too weak and wishy-washy to the point of being useless. We are therefore opposed to this repeal.'
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Postby The Ice States » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:24 pm

Bump. This is my immediate priority in terms of GA projects.
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Postby The Ice States » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:04 pm

Ooc: This was buried remarkably quickly!
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Postby The Ice States » Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:13 pm

Bump.
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Postby Gruenberg » Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:20 pm

OOC: I have no special attachment to this and won't fight to stop it being repealed. If I can make an observation as to why you're having to bump it again and again with no comment...

This is a resolution that does one thing and one thing only; it blocks a specific type of resolution being considered. Repealing it will, in isolation, accomplish absolutely nothing. The only point to repeal it, would be to then pass a workweek regulation proposal. Whether or not that's a good idea I'll leave to current WA players, but if you don't have a draft workweek proposal, there's very little of substance to say about the repeal. Which doesn't mean it won't pass, but, I'm doubtful how much feedback will be offered before then.
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Postby The Ice States » Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:29 pm

Gruenberg wrote:OOC: I have no special attachment to this and won't fight to stop it being repealed. If I can make an observation as to why you're having to bump it again and again with no comment...

This is a resolution that does one thing and one thing only; it blocks a specific type of resolution being considered. Repealing it will, in isolation, accomplish absolutely nothing. The only point to repeal it, would be to then pass a workweek regulation proposal. Whether or not that's a good idea I'll leave to current WA players, but if you don't have a draft workweek proposal, there's very little of substance to say about the repeal. Which doesn't mean it won't pass, but, I'm doubtful how much feedback will be offered before then.

Ooc: Thanks for the comment -- I will probably refrain from bumping this as frequently. If this passes, I may draft a workweek regulation proposal if none has already been drafted; although given how complex the matter is it will probably take a while before I can complete a draft on the subject to such a state as to post on the forums. I am not working on a replacement with urgency precisely because this repeal alone will not alter or remove positive policy.
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Postby The Ice States » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:52 pm

Ooc: I do want to mention that absent major comments this will be placed on last call this week.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:39 pm

Neville: We reiterate that we are opposed to this repeal on principle. Nonetheless, we may be able to offer a word of advice:
The Ice States wrote:Finding that as the resolution has no substantive effect besides restricting the ability of the World Assembly to protect workers against capitalistic exploitation, its repeal will not affect the rights of workers, except that the World Assembly will have a greater authority to legislate in favour of workers in the future;

Neville: Although your delegation's views on this matter are clear, we wish to remind you that there is a wide variety of economic systems that are used throughout the World Assembly, and so it might be wise to attack all forms of worker exploitation rather than merely those that are restricted to a particular economic system.
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Postby The Ice States » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:53 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: We reiterate that we are opposed to this repeal on principle. Nonetheless, we may be able to offer a word of advice:
The Ice States wrote:Finding that as the resolution has no substantive effect besides restricting the ability of the World Assembly to protect workers against capitalistic exploitation, its repeal will not affect the rights of workers, except that the World Assembly will have a greater authority to legislate in favour of workers in the future;

Neville: Although your delegation's views on this matter are clear, we wish to remind you that there is a wide variety of economic systems that are used throughout the World Assembly, and so it might be wise to attack all forms of worker exploitation rather than merely those that are restricted to a particular economic system.

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Postby The Ice States » Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:23 pm

This will be submitted on the 13th of July, depending on the queue.
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Postby Macadia » Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:33 pm

Ambassador Gretchen Harlemane: I completely support this legislation, the current resolution, aside from all the many flaws you expertly pointed out, also forces WA members to become right-to-work nations. As someone who has spent most of her life watching workers, in almost every industry, be exploited, I agree that we must find a way to protect workers and unions.
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Postby The Ice States » Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:04 pm

Consider this on last call now.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:58 pm

The Ice States wrote:Celebrating its efforts to defend the rights of employees through resolutions including "Restrictions on Child Labor", "Workplace Safety Standards Act", and "Protecting the Rights of Labour Unions";

Believing that the resolution "Individual Working Freedoms" stands in the way of these goals, as it effectively does nothing except restrict the ability of the World Assembly to protect the rights of employees;

Neville: Ambassador, none of the resolutions you mention are affected in any way by the resolution that you intend to repeal. The mere fact that some labour regulations may legitimately fall under the purview of World Assembly legislation does not mean that all of them must. It is therefore legitimate to protect those regulations that are best left for member states to implement from WA meddling.

The Ice States wrote:Noting that one of the only clauses in the resolution which is actually binding on member nations, lifting all "working time regulations that serve only to reduce individual liberty and that do not serve any other purpose", has an extraordinarily vague standard which does nothing to prevent member nations from rationalising regulations as having some purpose besides "reduc[ing] individual liberty";

Neville: Is that not the point, Ambassador? It is clear to me that the author wished to ensure the maximum level of national sovereignty but had to include some mandate, so opted for something that was as vague as possible. To me, this is a feature, not a bug.

The Ice States wrote:Perturbed that Section 3 bars the World Assembly from interfering in the decisions of member nations regarding "whether to set specific regulations on workweeks and working time in the general public interest", a broad scope which does not only apply to a mandate for "one standard working week", but also prohibition of practices such as coercing employees to accept overly long shifts to the point of being psychologically or physically burdensome, on threat of starvation or unemployment;

Neville: Slavery and torture are already illegal, Ambassador. All work is psychologically or physically burdensome to some degree and employees are best fit to decide when shifts are overly long, so even if you intend to pass legislation on this topic upon a successful repeal, we would not rate highly your chances of writing an airtight resolution on the matter that is free of repeal hooks.

The Ice States wrote:Recognising that although the World Assembly has legislated to protect labour unions, they still may often have insufficient bargaining power to prevent such exploitation of labour, as employers frequently maintain more power over employees, and by extension unions they form, than vice versa;

Neville: Ambassador, if that is your concern then you are free to pass a resolution strengthening unions; this repeal is not necessary for that. In any case, unless you intend to force employers to accede to every demand that is made by a union, I do not see what legislation you could pass that would solve the problem. Employers have a right to refuse union demands; it is just the case that doing so may not be economically feasible for them.

The Ice States wrote:Convinced that the rationale of the resolution for doing this, ie that "any attempt to impose a universal manacle of working time restriction [is] a grossly unfair abrogation of individual freedoms", is insufficient, as it is in fact beneficial for individual freedoms for workers not to be coerced into shifts of a physically or psychologically detrimental length;

Harold: Hey, if I wants to works as a clown then I'll do that on whatever terms I do wants! You can't makes me!

Neville: I concur with the clown. Is this entire repeal just an attempt on your part to free yourself of the manacles of your job as an ambassador? This may be a stressful and thankless job, but it is an important one, so I would urge you to carry on and do your duty to the best of your ability.

The Ice States wrote:Finding that as the resolution has no substantive effect besides restricting the ability of the World Assembly to protect workers against exploitation, its repeal will not affect the rights of workers, except that the World Assembly will have a greater authority to legislate in favour of workers in the future;

Neville: We reiterate our opposition to technocratic bureaucrats thinking that they know best what labour regulations to impose throughout the multiverse.
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Postby The Ice States » Sun Jul 09, 2023 5:18 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
The Ice States wrote:Celebrating its efforts to defend the rights of employees through resolutions including "Restrictions on Child Labor", "Workplace Safety Standards Act", and "Protecting the Rights of Labour Unions";

Believing that the resolution "Individual Working Freedoms" stands in the way of these goals, as it effectively does nothing except restrict the ability of the World Assembly to protect the rights of employees;

Neville: Ambassador, none of the resolutions you mention are affected in any way by the resolution that you intend to repeal. The mere fact that some labour regulations may legitimately fall under the purview of World Assembly legislation does not mean that all of them must. It is therefore legitimate to protect those regulations that are best left for member states to implement from WA meddling.

"We have amended the language in that clause to make it clear that we are not asserting that the target is contradictory with these resolutions. However, otherwise it seems that this is a philosophical argument there is little point to debating."

The Ice States wrote:Noting that one of the only clauses in the resolution which is actually binding on member nations, lifting all "working time regulations that serve only to reduce individual liberty and that do not serve any other purpose", has an extraordinarily vague standard which does nothing to prevent member nations from rationalising regulations as having some purpose besides "reduc[ing] individual liberty";

Neville: Is that not the point, Ambassador? It is clear to me that the author wished to ensure the maximum level of national sovereignty but had to include some mandate, so opted for something that was as vague as possible. To me, this is a feature, not a bug.

"It is also not the primary argument for repeal here. If that is the goal, that merely reinforces our statement -- the purpose of mentioning this is to avoid opposition on the argument that the target should actually be kept, or needs replacing, because of these vague mandates."

The Ice States wrote:Perturbed that Section 3 bars the World Assembly from interfering in the decisions of member nations regarding "whether to set specific regulations on workweeks and working time in the general public interest", a broad scope which does not only apply to a mandate for "one standard working week", but also prohibition of practices such as coercing employees to accept overly long shifts to the point of being psychologically or physically burdensome, on threat of starvation or unemployment;

Neville: Slavery and torture are already illegal, Ambassador. All work is psychologically or physically burdensome to some degree and employees are best fit to decide when shifts are overly long, so even if you intend to pass legislation on this topic upon a successful repeal, we would not rate highly your chances of writing an airtight resolution on the matter that is free of repeal hooks.

Neville: Ambassador, if that is your concern then you are free to pass a resolution strengthening unions; this repeal is not necessary for that. In any case, unless you intend to force employers to accede to every demand that is made by a union, I do not see what legislation you could pass that would solve the problem. Employers have a right to refuse union demands; it is just the case that doing so may not be economically feasible for them.

"Frankly, this assumes that workers necessarily have far more power in their employment choice than they actually do. Because of how the capitalist system works, bourgeoisie employers can force employees to starve on the streets if they choose not to work for them, facilitating the kind of exploitation we want to prevent. Just employees not being bound to work in some role in the form of de jure slavery does not mean that de facto wage slavery cannot occur -- it very often does under capitalism. Creating a minimum standard of worker rights vis-a-vis shifts is not at all unreasonable."

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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:29 pm

We are opposed on similar grounds as Ambassador Roberts of the States of Glory. The proposal is one of the few tools available to prevent this body from veering even further into the destructive left-wing "economic" falsehoods that it seems so enamoured with.
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Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:We are opposed on similar grounds as Ambassador Roberts of the States of Glory. The proposal is one of the few tools available to prevent this body from veering even further into the destructive left-wing "economic" falsehoods that it seems so enamoured with.

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Postby The Secret Society of Zimbabwae2 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:35 pm

Gruenberg wrote:OOC: I have no special attachment to this and won't fight to stop it being repealed. If I can make an observation as to why you're having to bump it again and again with no comment...

This is a resolution that does one thing and one thing only; it blocks a specific type of resolution being considered. Repealing it will, in isolation, accomplish absolutely nothing. The only point to repeal it, would be to then pass a workweek regulation proposal. Whether or not that's a good idea I'll leave to current WA players, but if you don't have a draft workweek proposal, there's very little of substance to say about the repeal. Which doesn't mean it won't pass, but, I'm doubtful how much feedback will be offered before then.


I'm in agreement here. Is there any plan for a workweek proposal atm?

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Postby Haganham » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:49 pm

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Gruenberg wrote:OOC: I have no special attachment to this and won't fight to stop it being repealed. If I can make an observation as to why you're having to bump it again and again with no comment...

This is a resolution that does one thing and one thing only; it blocks a specific type of resolution being considered. Repealing it will, in isolation, accomplish absolutely nothing. The only point to repeal it, would be to then pass a workweek regulation proposal. Whether or not that's a good idea I'll leave to current WA players, but if you don't have a draft workweek proposal, there's very little of substance to say about the repeal. Which doesn't mean it won't pass, but, I'm doubtful how much feedback will be offered before then.


I'm in agreement here. Is there any plan for a workweek proposal atm?

It is not possible to write satisfactory restrictions on the workweek for the reasons States of Glory stated, the WA is too diverse, not being exclusively on Earth Prime, or even exclusively human. This blocker exists to prevent tedious attempts by those who don't know better from going to vote.
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Postby Cherfully Candid People » Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:17 am

Alright, mi wonderful folks of di World Assembly! So, we talkin' 'bout dis resolution, GA #302, "Individual Working Freedoms," an' let mi tell yuh, it's like di chicken an' di egg, tryin' fi figure out what's goin' on!

We got dis resolution claimin' to defend di rights of employees, but inna reality, it's like a carnival ride, goin' round an' round, leffin' workers dizzy an' confused! Di World Assembly can't even protect di rights of workers properly, 'cause dis resolution got it all tied up like a pretzel.

Dem sayin' we can't interfere when member nations mek decisions 'bout workweeks an' working time. But mi tell yuh, dat's like lettin' a goat guard di cabbage patch! Some employers jus' gwaan do as dem like, makin' workers suffer, an' we siddung yah like we nuh have no say?

Now, hear dis, di rationale fi dis resolution don't mek no sense! Dem sayin' protectin workers' freedoms means lettin' dem work like donkey an' still call it "freedom." Mi say dat's like callin' a mango an apple - it's just not right!

But nuh worry, mi friends, 'cause we can turn dis ting 'round. Let's repeal GA #302, set di record straight, an' give di World Assembly di power fi protect workers properly! We can create a world where workers can go to work an' leff work with a big smile on dem face, knowin' dat we got dem back!

So, mi ask yuh, me brethren an' sistren, do di right ting fi workers everywhere! Mi deh yah fi support di repeal of GA #302, an' mi hope yuh join mi in dis fi bring some joy an' justice to di workers of di world!

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Postby Boston Mass » Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:46 am

I don't understand why we are repealing this. I think this is a good protection to have between the WA and the individual businesses in member states. The WA should encourage safe working conditions and sanction the nations that abuse its people for greed purposes. The WA should not be making controlling laws and policies within individual nations though. We need to encourage these nations to choose for themselves. Having this check helps control the government and maintains accountability. However, this is just my opinion.

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