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Kicking toxic people off social media reduces hate speech

Postby Neu California » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:30 pm

El Pais wrote:Controlling hate speech on the internet poses one of the greatest challenges of our information age. Everyone says it’s important, but how effective is it? Some platforms have chosen to remove individual accounts who disseminate toxic content. An internal study by Facebook, which analyzed interactions between 26,000 users, reveals that excluding extremist community leaders is an effective means of eradicating hate speech on social media, particularly over the long term. Removing just 100 accounts produced a noticeable impact, since it denied proponents of hate speech a microphone and ultimately improved the broader social media environment.

Earlier studies had suggested that deleting harmful accounts on platforms like Twitter, Reddit and Telegram helped reduce unwanted activity, including broader levels of hate speech. But a cause-and-effect relationship was only recently demonstrated by Meta (Facebook’s parent company) researchers in a study published in PNAS, a peer-reviewed journal of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

Daniel Robert Thomas and Laila A. Wahedia examined how the removal of most active representatives from six Facebook communities affected their audience. The Meta researchers aimed to measure how much the audience continued to watch, post, and share harmful content after the instigators were removed. The study found that, on average, “the network disruptions reduced the consumption and production of hateful content, along with engagement within the network among audience members.”

After the accounts were deleted, users saw 10% less hateful content on average. Given that they consumed around five toxic posts daily, the result translates to one less every two days. Furthermore, those who ceased interacting with toxic community members were then presented with different content, groups, or communities that were not explicitly linked to violent behavior. However, Facebook’s privacy protection guidelines prevented data tracking of specific user accounts throughout the study.

Organizations that propagate hate may retain a loyal audience for a while, but the expulsion of their leaders may drive some viewers away. Meanwhile, those who are less attached to these leaders are less likely to engage with this content in the first place. This is a positive finding since this is the group most susceptible to the influence of malicious communities. “The results suggest that strategies of targeted removals, such as leadership removal and network degradation efforts, can reduce the ability of hate organizations to successfully operate online,” concludes the study.

But there is no silver bullet that can kill this particular werewolf. People who are kicked off a platform can easily create new accounts and build new networks. They can also migrate to other platforms. Additionally, the authors suggest that other toxic organizations could take over and attract sympathizers of the deleted accounts. To increase the effectiveness of the deletion strategy, the authors propose simultaneous removal of multiple accounts, as this hinders an organization’s ability to find its members and regroup.

Hate speech or toxic speech?
But if account deletion decisions are left to the platforms, will they really want to do it? Sílvia Majó-Vázquez, a research associate at the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism at Oxford University (U.K.) and a professor at Vrije University in Amsterdam, said that content moderation on social networks must “be done by seeking a balance between freedom of expression and the preservation of other rights,” so it’s essential to differentiate between hate speech, toxic speech and incivility.

Majó-Vázquez says that incivility, such as disrespectful and sarcastic comments, is the mildest form of negative language. But when it becomes more extreme and “people are chased away from participating in a conversation,” toxic speech is born, which can become violent. “From a democratic perspective, this is very harmful because it discourages the democratic ideal of public debate,” she said.

To ensure the preservation of freedom of expression on social media platforms, careful consideration should be given to suspending or deleting accounts. According to Majó-Vázquez, the suspension process must incorporate conceptual dimensions and utilize manual mechanisms that sufficiently balance the right to freedom of expression with the preservation of other fundamental rights. She advises that a similar exercise should be applied to political figures as well. Automated mechanisms for deleting messages and suspending accounts must be continuously scrutinized, with a priority on expert evaluation of messages, similar to the external advisory boards some platforms have already implemented.

According to a recent study conducted in seven countries by the Reuters Institute, the correlation between toxicity and engagement is not always direct, and varies based on the content topic and severity. The study analyzed Twitter data during the pandemic and found that the most toxic tweets were often unpopular with audiences. “In fact, we see that the most toxic tweets lose popularity and messages with low levels of toxicity increase in popularity,” said Majó-Vázquez. The study did not offer conclusive insights on whether this was due to audiences disliking toxic content or the moderation techniques employed by the platform. “We can’t answer this question with the data from our study, but this result challenges the premise that toxicity is always the most popular online currency,” she said.


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So, to reduce the incidence of hate speech and toxic speech, should platforms be more active in moderating accounts that promote and post such shit? I say yes, because we've seen the effects of radicalization (Pizzagate, various shootings targeting the Jewish community and minorities, and January 6th, among others) and anything that makes it harder to radicalize more people is a good thing, in my opinion.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:35 pm

Almost like not giving agents of radicalization a platform to reach out to the masses has an effect on radicalization of the masses. Crazy, right?
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Postby Cerespasia » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:43 pm

Rusozak wrote:Almost like not giving agents of radicalization a platform to reach out to the masses has an effect on radicalization of the masses. Crazy, right?

Just sever the only means for them to spread their hate from them completeley!
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Postby EuroStralia » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:46 pm

Cerespasia wrote:
Rusozak wrote:Almost like not giving agents of radicalization a platform to reach out to the masses has an effect on radicalization of the masses. Crazy, right?

Just sever the only means for them to spread their hate from them completeley!

They'll find other ways,

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Postby Saiwana » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:54 pm

It's not important to act against hate speech or toxicity in general. It's not illegal in my neck of the woods, so nothing can or should be done. Acting against it just turns your online space into more of an echo chamber. What is the point of engaging if nothing that goes against the grain or rocks the boat is allowed?
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Postby EuroStralia » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:56 pm

Saiwana wrote:It's not important to act against hate speech or toxicity in general. It's not illegal in my neck of the woods, so nothing can or should be done. Acting against it just turns your online space into more of an echo chamber. What is the point of engaging if nothing that goes against the grain or rocks the boat is allowed?

Strange to find myself agreeing with you.

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Postby Cerespasia » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:57 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Cerespasia wrote:Just sever the only means for them to spread their hate from them completeley!

They'll find other ways,

Until they burn all their bridges and give up, hopefully.
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Postby EuroStralia » Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:59 pm

Cerespasia wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:They'll find other ways,

Until they burn all their bridges and give up, hopefully.

You really think those people will give up.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:00 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Saiwana wrote:It's not important to act against hate speech or toxicity in general. It's not illegal in my neck of the woods, so nothing can or should be done. Acting against it just turns your online space into more of an echo chamber. What is the point of engaging if nothing that goes against the grain or rocks the boat is allowed?

Strange to find myself agreeing with you.

It really isn't. Sai's version of fascism is really not that dissimilar to American conservatism at this point. Even if MAGA conservatism isn't considered a form of fascism, there is an overlap in various positions.
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Postby Haganham » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:02 pm

Fundamental problem being, who decides which speech should be deplatformed?
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Postby HISPIDA » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:02 pm

i respect your point and all, but water isn't wet, ergo this entire post is now, as they say in the business, "cringe."
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Postby EuroStralia » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:03 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:Strange to find myself agreeing with you.

It really isn't. Sai's version of fascism is really not that dissimilar to American conservatism at this point. Even if MAGA conservatism isn't considered a form of fascism, there is an overlap in various positions.

MAGA conservatism is more moderate than fascism whether you like it or not.
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Postby Greater Rostoria » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:03 pm

Cerespasia wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:They'll find other ways,

Until they burn all their bridges and give up, hopefully.


Some people on the internet are extremely petty and persistent. I doubt they will go away easily, or ever.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:04 pm

I really think a large part of the rise of the Alt-Right and their counterparts is as these people were banned off of various forums and websites they all gathered together at the last safe havens of the time like Tumblr and the Chans, and there they realized how big their numbers were.

Before then these various toxic people were simply toxic by their lonesome, and some were just toxic without political ideas to go along with it, but driven out by their toxicity they found other toxic people and their toxicness became an ideology.

The problem with hate speech is it fails to take into account why people hate, saying "You aren't allowed to hate" doesn't make hate go away, it just hides it behind a layer of gentrification in the end you just create a two tiered internet, one side sanitized out of everything considered hateful to the status quo and a Hate Net.

A big problem is hate net has grown so big and organized that it's come back out of the shadows and it's an army now.
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Postby Haganham » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:04 pm

Hispida wrote:i respect your point and all, but water isn't wet, ergo this entire post is now, as they say in the business, "cringe."

The post is not cringe, for the same reason. It causes cringe in that which it is exposed to, but is not cringe itself.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:04 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:It really isn't. Sai's version of fascism is really not that dissimilar to American conservatism at this point. Even if MAGA conservatism isn't considered a form of fascism, there is an overlap in various positions.

MAGA conservatism is more moderate than fascism whether you like it or not.

Even if true, this in no way refutes what I said.
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Postby EuroStralia » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:05 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:MAGA conservatism is more moderate than fascism whether you like it or not.

Even if true, this in no way refutes what I said.

How does it (MAGA conservatism) overlap with fascism then?

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:07 pm

Greater Rostoria wrote:
Cerespasia wrote:Until they burn all their bridges and give up, hopefully.


Some people on the internet are extremely petty and persistent. I doubt they will go away easily, or ever.

No, but that doesn't mean that they should be given free reign either.
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Postby Saiwana » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:07 pm

What do people think of the idea that acting against hate speech or toxicity is in itself, a source of radicalization? I'm on the fringes because it is simply what I agree and resonate with, regardless of what other people think of that.

I know that if I'm kicked off of here, I'll be at Stormfront on a full time, rather than just a part time basis, and that on paper, that should have me shift towards more and not less toxicity. I'll believe I'm in the right even more if only ever with other people of like mind and purpose.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:09 pm

Stormfront is an echo-chamber. Everyone there is already a committed Nazi, but forums like this, allow for vulnerable people to get indoctrinated into such beliefs.

Confinements to echo-chambers actually does confine the spread.
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Postby Saiwana » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:13 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Stormfront is an echo-chamber. Everyone there is already a committed Nazi, but forums like this, allow for vulnerable people to get indoctrinated into such beliefs.


If anyone gets converted to any one cause, it is merely because that faction had the more convincing argument or was a better match for their preexisting values. Stormfront has an "opposing views" section, so it is remarkably freer than what most if not all of their critics contend.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:15 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Stormfront is an echo-chamber. Everyone there is already a committed Nazi, but forums like this, allow for vulnerable people to get indoctrinated into such beliefs.

Confinements to echo-chambers actually does confine the spread.

Not if they use those echo chambers as meme production centers and methods to organize, there's a reason why /pol/ was able to launch a wide spread invasion of internet culture from the time of 2015-2018 before they were finally driven back. The supreme irony is that /pol/ was designed as a containment board because the rest of the website was tired of those toxic people contaminating the rest of the website with their bullshit.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:17 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Stormfront is an echo-chamber. Everyone there is already a committed Nazi, but forums like this, allow for vulnerable people to get indoctrinated into such beliefs.

Confinements to echo-chambers actually does confine the spread.

Not if they use those echo chambers as meme production centers and methods to organize, there's a reason why /pol/ was able to launch a wide spread invasion of internet culture from the time of 2015-2018 before they were finally driven back. The supreme irony is that /pol/ was designed as a containment board because the rest of the website was tired of those toxic people contaminating the rest of the website with their bullshit.

/pol/ is like /b/

A not insignificant amount of them are just trolls. And they were able to have so much influence due to a very specific political climate, one that has passed on.

Not to mention that places like it will still exist even if we allow these people to propagandize regular networks.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:32 pm

Saiwana wrote:It's not important to act against hate speech or toxicity in general. It's not illegal in my neck of the woods, so nothing can or should be done. Acting against it just turns your online space into more of an echo chamber. What is the point of engaging if nothing that goes against the grain or rocks the boat is allowed?

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if democracy does not work as a system unless you have a central authority which prevents people from communicating their honest states of mind to one another,
then democracy does not work as a system
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