Embassy of The Wellspring: To New Beginnings

[Warden of the Spring]

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Embassy of The Wellspring

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Welcome!

The Wellspring is a vibrant and close-knit community dedicated to harnessing the unique skill sets of its members. As the first frontier to elect a World Assembly Delegate in the history of Nationstates, we pride ourselves on fostering an environment of acceptance and strive to spread a message of love and peace. Our land is a haven of boundless creativity and unwavering joy, where each individual can thrive.

Government of The Wellspring

• Archdruid/World Assembly Delegate: 9006
• Mage of Foreign Affairs: Prov
• Mage of World Assembly Affairs: Pasxo
• Mage of Internal Affairs: Fjalor

Important Links

[list][*]The Wellspring Charter
[*]Discord Server
Contact Information

For more information about The Wellspring or to arrange an embassy:

Delegate of The Wellspring
9006

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[Warden of the Spring]

Reserved for History of the wellspring

[Evil Mother]

Im so excited!!!!!!!

[Pichtonia]

All the best!

[Tinhampton]

I've said the flag is cringe before and I'll say the flag is cringe again. Banger seal, though; might want to slap that in the middle instead. Also, Greater Sahara had you beat by seven hours.

[NPU]

TNP already has an embassy thread.

[9006]

TNP already has an embassy thread.

We are not TNP, nor owned by TNP. We are an independent frontier.

[Reventus Koth]

TNP already has an embassy thread.

We are not TNP, nor owned by TNP. We are an independent frontier.

Oh, come on. Are we really doing this?

[Sacred Butterfinger]

Very cool! We stan The Wellspring!
#TheWellspringTheBest

[Darcania]

Oh, come on. Are we really doing this?

And here I was thinking that defenders were the ones confused about the concept of regional sovereignty

[NPU]

TNP already has an embassy thread.

We are not TNP, nor owned by TNP. We are an independent frontier.

[Evil Mother]

We are not TNP, nor owned by TNP. We are an independent frontier.

Oh, come on. Are we really doing this?

I mean I don’t know what you think we’re doing but then again I wouldn’t expect you of all people to understand the concept of regional sovereignty anyway so

[Darcania]

(Image)

Damn, you caught us! Everyone knows that customized nation settings from an individual nation bear the weight of diplomatic truth!

[Reventus Koth]

Oh, come on. Are we really doing this?

And here I was thinking that defenders were the ones confused about the concept of regional sovereignty

Darc, please. The NPA seized the Wellspring from its awful founder on day one and hasn't let go of it since. And that's based, I don't know why you're insisting on not just owning it and pretending like it's individually sovereign now that enough time passed with no actual transition of power away from TNP. (EDIT: That's not true, the actual reason you're doing it is pretty obvious, it's just a turn of phrase)

[Sacred Butterfinger]

NPU really went through the trouble of making a screenshot of 9006's nation page, uploading it to Imgur and posting it here just to be wrong. That is some dedication if I have ever seen it.

[Darcania]

Darc, please. The NPA seized the Wellspring from its awful founder on day one and hasn't let go of it since. And that's based, I don't know why you're insisting on not just owning it and pretending like it's individually sovereign now that enough time passed with no actual transition of power away from TNP.

I'm not NPA and haven't been for several months after being kicked out, so I don't know what exactly you're expecting me to "own" here. I bear TNP no loyalty after all that's happened, so expecting me to sit here simping for them by lying to your face is honestly laughable. The only reason I'm even a Citizen in TNP is because I wanted to watch the bridges between them and tSP burn

[Fort Concord]

And here I was thinking that defenders were the ones confused about the concept of regional sovereignty

Darc, please. The NPA seized the Wellspring from its awful founder on day one and hasn't let go of it since. And that's based, I don't know why you're insisting on not just owning it and pretending like it's individually sovereign now that enough time passed with no actual transition of power away from TNP. (EDIT: That's not true, the actual reason you're doing it is pretty obvious, it's just a turn of phrase)

Since you’ve established your belief that the region being created/settled by TNPers makes it TNP, when will you be merging the BoM and TBH threads?

[Reventus Koth]

Darc, please. The NPA seized the Wellspring from its awful founder on day one and hasn't let go of it since. And that's based, I don't know why you're insisting on not just owning it and pretending like it's individually sovereign now that enough time passed with no actual transition of power away from TNP. (EDIT: That's not true, the actual reason you're doing it is pretty obvious, it's just a turn of phrase)

Since you’ve established your belief that the region being created/settled by TNPers makes it TNP, when will you be merging the BoM and TBH threads?

Q, it's been like 7 weeks. The Wellspring is an absolute fetus in GP time. It hasn't had any time to have earned a distinct identity separate from its establishment as a TNP military occupation. I'm sure that in time it may grow distinct enough that people will differentiate between the two, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like 9003 and the rest of their government aren't taking at least vague marching orders from TNP.

You might have some semblance of a point about BoM if it was established 7 weeks ago by a Black Hawk occupying force, but that is obviously not the case. If anything, you should be asking when I'm merging the BoM and Asgard threads

[Angeloid Astraea]

I want to hear the explanation of how TBH or BoM created the other. I want to hear it so, so badly. You don't understand how badly I want to hear it.

[Improper Classifications]

I want to hear the explanation of how TBH or BoM created the other. I want to hear it so, so badly. You don't understand how badly I want to hear it.

Seconded. PLEASE TELL US.

[Quebecshire]

Q, it's been like 7 weeks. The Wellspring is an absolute fetus in GP time. It hasn't had any time to have earned a distinct identity separate from its establishment as a TNP military occupation. I'm sure that in time it may grow distinct enough that people will differentiate between the two, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like 9003 and the rest of their government aren't taking at least vague marching orders from TNP.

You can certainly call it a TNP project, or a project started by TNPers - I doubt they'd be disputing that. But the simple reality is that it isn't TNP, it has a separate Constitution and TNP - within their own very legalistic culture - has yet to annex it through the legal process. The same cannot be said for regions such as Concord, for example, which was officially annexed.

You might have some semblance of a point about BoM if it was established 7 weeks ago by a Black Hawk occupying force, but that is obviously not the case. If anything, you should be asking when I'm merging the BoM and Asgard threads

In the case of, say, Osiris, it's been 10 years an the region has yet to establish a "distinct identity separate from its establishment" as a BoM occupation - something about glass houses and stones might be in order here.

I want to hear the explanation of how TBH or BoM created the other. I want to hear it so, so badly. You don't understand how badly I want to hear it.

It's... pretty simple - the current iteration of BoM was largely established by Koth (TBH General), Souls (TBH General), and Venico (who was also briefly in TBH around the time, I believe, unless Koth misspoke when it came up).

It's the same logic Koth is applying to The Wellspring here.

[Angeloid Astraea]

You might have some semblance of a point about BoM if it was established 7 weeks ago by a Black Hawk occupying force, but that is obviously not the case. If anything, you should be asking when I'm merging the BoM and Asgard threads

In the case of, say, Osiris, it's been 10 years an the region has yet to establish a "distinct identity separate from its establishment" as a BoM occupation - something about glass houses and stones might be in order here.

That's not the Black Hawks! You said the Black Hawks! Boooooo!

EDIT: Oh, I replied before the edit...

[Angeloid Astraea]

When someone makes a purposefully shitty point and then says "It was shitty on purpose because that's what you sound like!" when challenged.... Does that sort of thing have a name? It feels like something that has a name.

[Reventus Koth]

You can certainly call it a TNP project, or a project started by TNPers - I doubt they'd be disputing that. But the simple reality is that it isn't TNP, it has a separate Constitution and TNP - within their own very legalistic culture - has yet to annex it through the legal process. The same cannot be said for regions such as Concord, for example, which was officially annexed.

I mean, I am calling it a TNP project. 9003 calling it an independent frontier is probably only true in the context of an "independent" alignment, because it surely has not grown the legs necessary to be seen on the world stage as an entirely separate entity. Again, I can absolutely see that changing in time, especially when more of its spawns convert to fully formed natives.

In the case of, say, Osiris, it's been 10 years an the region has yet to establish a "distinct identity separate from its establishment" as a BoM occupation - something about glass houses and stones might be in order here.

This is just a total joke, especially from someone who has a history with Malphe. Do you earnestly believe anyone in Osiris's government takes marching orders from BoM? That in the last decade, Osiris hasn't made its own distinct identity separate from a region that spent 7 years between 2015 and 2022 completely comatose?

It's... pretty simple - the current iteration of BoM was largely established by Koth (TBH General), Souls (TBH General), and Venico (who was also briefly in TBH around the time, I believe, unless Koth misspoke when it came up).

It's the same logic Koth is applying to The Wellspring here.

Venico and Souls were members of The Brotherhood of Malice before The Black Hawks. I joined TBH a month before co-founding BoM in 2012, but again, this is already an extremely apples-to-oranges comparison that I'm only indulging for the sake of having an excuse to talk about NS history. Venico was only in The Black Hawks nominally because he came back to the game after ALH and asked me "where the raids were", found TBH lacking, and then rebooted BoM on a whim

[Well-Sprung Jack]

There are obviously links between The North Pacific and The Wellspring. There is clear government overlap. But the two are distinct entities, both de facto and de jure. If TNP's government were to attempt to strongarm The Wellspring into taking a certain action, then I do not believe the people who have committed to the Wellspring and it's development would go along with that. We have separate laws and our citizenship process that does not overlap with TNP. We pursue our own independent foreign policy. You may disagree with those of whom we've approached for embassies at this point in time, but every action is taken not with TNP's interests in mind, but with The Wellsprings.

You can certainly call it a TNP project, or a project started by TNPers - I doubt they'd be disputing that. But the simple reality is that it isn't TNP, it has a separate Constitution and TNP - within their own very legalistic culture - has yet to annex it through the legal process. The same cannot be said for regions such as Concord, for example, which was officially annexed.

I mean, I am calling it a TNP project. 9003 calling it an independent frontier is probably only true in the context of an "independent" alignment, because it surely has not grown the legs necessary to be seen on the world stage as an entirely separate entity. Again, I can absolutely see that changing in time, especially when more of its spawns convert to fully formed natives.

I think what you would find, Koth, were you to spend time in our region and interacting with us, is a region that yes, has TNPers - prominent TNPers - in leadership roles, but it has it's own burgeoning native community and others who you would more associate with other regions. The Wellspring started as a NPA military occupation, yes.

But now, and going forward, it is and will be its own region. The Wellspring pursues it's own interests - and speaking personally for this bit - I'd like to see a wider range of friends (or at least, embassies) than perhaps TNP has.