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NYC giving out free crack pipes

Postby Cook-Out » Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:31 am

New York City is planning on putting out vending machines in several neighborhoods with contraceptives, first-aid kits, hygiene supplies, drug tests, Narcan for overdoses, and most controversially, crack pipes.

I'm on board with giving people easier access to all the other stuff, but crack pipes? If their goal is to people from using drugs then why would they give people a device that helps them use drugs? This doesn't make any sense to me.

Let me know yalls thoughts.

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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:37 am

Same rationale as the Narcan.

That is to say, "would be lovely if nobody needs this, but since that's not going to happen, better that it be provided than have people go without."
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:37 am

I just looked it up, and the "sources" of this are Fox News, OANN, New York Post, and a bunch of other right-wing sources that don't mind lying or stretching the truth to fit their narrative.

Only legitimate source I found was this: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 25703.html

And it specifically states that no crack pipes are being given out.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:38 am

The idea is harm reduction. People aren't going to stop doing crack, so the next best option is for them to do crack safely.
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Postby Bradfordville » Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:41 am

Telling people not to do drugs is great. If people are still going to do them, we should try to minimize harm as much as possible so we don't need a municipal dead body disposal site.
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Postby Bradfordville » Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:42 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I just looked it up, and the "sources" of this are Fox News, OANN, New York Post, and a bunch of other right-wing sources that don't mind lying or stretching the truth to fit their narrative.

Only legitimate source I found was this: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 25703.html

And it specifically states that no crack pipes are being given out.


Least dishonest story on fox.
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Postby Isomedia » Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:17 pm

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WOOOHOHOOO, LETS GO GET SOME FREE CRACK"
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:21 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I just looked it up, and the "sources" of this are Fox News, OANN, New York Post, and a bunch of other right-wing sources that don't mind lying or stretching the truth to fit their narrative.

Only legitimate source I found was this: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 25703.html

And it specifically states that no crack pipes are being given out.

Right-wing outlets making up stories wholecloth to manufacture outrage? Never saw THAT coming...
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:32 pm

Crack is so 90's.
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Postby Acrovania » Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:40 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I just looked it up, and the "sources" of this are Fox News, OANN, New York Post, and a bunch of other right-wing sources that don't mind lying or stretching the truth to fit their narrative.

Only legitimate source I found was this: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 25703.html

And it specifically states that no crack pipes are being given out.


Least dishonest story on fox.

Does that also mean this is the most honest story on FOX?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:40 pm

On the bright side, this will keep rents down in the neighborhoods, so lumen should be happy

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Postby Wizlandia » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:30 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I just looked it up, and the "sources" of this are Fox News, OANN, New York Post, and a bunch of other right-wing sources that don't mind lying or stretching the truth to fit their narrative.

Only legitimate source I found was this: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 25703.html

And it specifically states that no crack pipes are being given out.

First it should be noted that the Miami Herald article merely states that the HHS denied that federal funding was or will be used to fund the purchase and/or distribution of crack pipes.

Reading a little more into it, it appears that several things are true,

1. There is a $30 million federal harm reduction program established in 2022 that provides funding for a variety of harm reduction activities, including providing smoking kits. According to the Biden administration, the program would not fund or reimburse the purchase of crack pipes.

2. A large number of harm reduction non-profit organisations provide smoking kits that contain crack pipes. Many of said organisations receive substantial funding from local and/or state governments (and also some older federal initiatives).

3. Many of said non-profit organisations would be eligible for the $30 million federal program.

4. The Washington Free Beacon made the conclusion that the federal program would de facto provide funding for the purchase and distribution of crack pipes.
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Postby Wizlandia » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:39 pm

I'll add that my general stance on harm-reduction is I support one-for-one syringe and needle exchanges, but I oppose giving out clean needles and/or syringes without the return of a dirty one.

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Postby Subi Bumeen » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:42 pm

they really taking it this far. NYC has always been bad but now it is worse
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:42 pm

Wizlandia wrote:4. The Washington Free Beacon made the conclusion that the federal program would de facto provide funding for the purchase and distribution of crack pipes.

Washington Free Beacon is not a reliable source, so I will take this with a grain of salt.
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Postby Subi Bumeen » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:46 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Wizlandia wrote:4. The Washington Free Beacon made the conclusion that the federal program would de facto provide funding for the purchase and distribution of crack pipes.

Washington Free Beacon is not a reliable source, so I will take this with a grain of salt.

CNN also feeds you the bullshit the only reliable ones are religious news stations and Fox
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:48 pm

Subi Bumeen wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Washington Free Beacon is not a reliable source, so I will take this with a grain of salt.

CNN also feeds you the bullshit the only reliable ones are religious news stations and Fox

I don't watch CNN.

Fox is even worse, and I don't know what religious stations you listen to, but I'm sure they're terrible too.
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Postby Subi Bumeen » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:48 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Subi Bumeen wrote:CNN also feeds you the bullshit the only reliable ones are religious news stations and Fox

I don't watch CNN.

Fox is even worse, and I don't know what religious stations you listen to, but I'm sure they're terrible too.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:53 pm

Subi Bumeen wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I don't watch CNN.

Fox is even worse, and I don't know what religious stations you listen to, but I'm sure they're terrible too.

Victory channel

Considering their Twitter has a Tweet bitching about the LGBTQ "agenda" and Target, yeah, it's nonsense, which I'm not surprised.
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Postby Vikanias » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:55 pm

Free crack baby!! Yeah free crack woohoo!! I’m so high on fucking crack right now!! I’m going to commit a crime!!
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Postby Etat ya Mongolie » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:58 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I just looked it up, and the "sources" of this are Fox News, OANN, New York Post, and a bunch of other right-wing sources that don't mind lying or stretching the truth to fit their narrative.

Only legitimate source I found was this: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 25703.html

And it specifically states that no crack pipes are being given out.

New York Post is pretty reliable…
Also, all news is bias as fuck.
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Postby Intaglio » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:58 pm

You didn't post a source. If this story is actually true, these machines would give out the pipes, yes? Not the actual drug? They are not making people do drugs nor making actual drugs readily available.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:00 pm

Vikanias wrote:Free crack baby!! Yeah free crack woohoo!! I’m so high on fucking crack right now!! I’m going to commit a crime!!

You have to supply your own crack.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:00 pm

Etat ya Mongolie wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I just looked it up, and the "sources" of this are Fox News, OANN, New York Post, and a bunch of other right-wing sources that don't mind lying or stretching the truth to fit their narrative.

Only legitimate source I found was this: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 25703.html

And it specifically states that no crack pipes are being given out.

New York Post is pretty reliable…
Also, all news is bias as fuck.

It's a supermarket tabloid. Those are some of the least reliable pieces of media.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:00 pm

Bradfordville wrote:Telling people not to do drugs is great. If people are still going to do them, we should try to minimize harm as much as possible so we don't need a municipal dead body disposal site.


New York City already has a municipal dead body disposal site, has had one for a long time, and will need it for the forseeable future.

That's not a knock against New York. It's just a natural consequence of having such a large population in one city. It becomes difficult to keep track of everyone.
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