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Serbia prepares for invasion of Kosovo

Postby Querria » Mon May 29, 2023 9:25 pm

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So Serbia is going to invade Kosovo. Will Article 5 be triggered if KFOR is attacked by serbian military?

Confirmed: Protests' have erupted in northern kosovo, and during said "protests" the "protesters" (of which many are not kosovo citizens) have launched unprovoked attacks upon the NATO-KFOR, injuring dozens of soldiers. Serbia has moved military units to the border of Kosovo and put the military on "high combat alert.
Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said Monday that authorities in the self-proclaimed Republic of Kosovo are seeking a confrontation between Belgrade and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

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As the President said in an address to the nation, Kosovo Prime Minister Albin Kurti organized the recent clashes in the north of the province "with his strong desire for a conflict between the Serbs and NATO."

Appealing to the international community over escalating tensions in the region, Vucic said that "the citizens of all Serbia must know that they have responsible leadership and that we will not allow pogroms and killings of our people."


Unconfirmed: Wagner are operating amongst the protesters in northern kosovo and russia vowing to militarily support Serbia by acting against NATO countries should the west defend Kosovo. The Kremlin bloc seems dead set on starting WW3.

Opinion: Ffs Shit like this is why I don't like allegiance to states. We're all about to f*cking die because of this stupidity. Thoughts, NSG?
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Postby Transsibiria » Mon May 29, 2023 10:05 pm

There stands to hope that Serbia does not give in to fascist provocations.

Besides, just the usual balkan drama.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon May 29, 2023 10:10 pm

Transsibiria wrote:There stands to hope that Serbia does not give in to fascist provocations.

Besides, just the usual balkan drama.


Pretty much. Besides, I don't think Article 5 will fly considering there are still NATO nations that don't recognise Kosovo, most notably Spain.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 29, 2023 10:13 pm

I hope Serbia doesn't go through with it, but you're overthinking it with the Article 5 and WW3 claims.

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Postby Transsibiria » Mon May 29, 2023 10:13 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Transsibiria wrote:There stands to hope that Serbia does not give in to fascist provocations.

Besides, just the usual balkan drama.


Pretty much. Besides, I don't think Article 5 will fly considering there are still NATO nations that don't recognise Kosovo, most notably Spain.


Kosovo isn't NATO member. So Article 5 does not comes into play.
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon May 29, 2023 10:17 pm

Lol what. Even if the US and EU did want to go to war despite all evidence to the contrary, this doesn’t make any sense. How would a NATO intervention against Serb nationalists cause WW3? It’s happened twice already, and it’s not like Serbia has a massive coalition of allies. Russia is tied up by Ukraine. Belarus is tied up by Russia. The Serb Republic hasn’t had an army since 2006. Hungary, Bulgaria, and Slovakia are all in NATO, and the idea of any of them actually mounting a last stand against the rest of Europe is, quite frankly, hilarious. Is Iran going to occupy Kosovo to encourage Albania to surrender MEK leaders? Will Byzantium and the Ottoman Empire reform and duke it out over Southern Europe? Will aliens invade?

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Postby Querria » Mon May 29, 2023 11:25 pm

Transsibiria wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Pretty much. Besides, I don't think Article 5 will fly considering there are still NATO nations that don't recognise Kosovo, most notably Spain.


Kosovo isn't NATO member. So Article 5 does not comes into play.


Even so, if NATO-KFOR is attacked, NATO may take collective defense regardless of it's Article 5. Russia will defend Serbia, of that there is no doubt. Such a scenario would start WW3 of course, leading to our inevitable demise via nuclear annihilation.
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Postby Southland » Mon May 29, 2023 11:31 pm

I am not looking forward to the far-left/far-right apologism for Serbia if this does escalate. I'm still trying to wash my brain of the Srebrenica denialism garbage from the 90s/2000s.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon May 29, 2023 11:36 pm

Did Putin write Vucic's statement?
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon May 29, 2023 11:38 pm

Querria wrote:
Transsibiria wrote:
Kosovo isn't NATO member. So Article 5 does not comes into play.


Even so, if NATO-KFOR is attacked, NATO may take collective defense regardless of it's Article 5. Russia will defend Serbia, of that there is no doubt. Such a scenario would start WW3 of course, leading to our inevitable demise via nuclear annihilation.

Defend them with what? There is no way Russia would deploy nuclear weapons in response to an invasion of Serbia.

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Postby Frisemark » Mon May 29, 2023 11:40 pm

If Serbia wants to get waffle stomped a second time that badly, let them. Russia can't do shit no matter how many times they rattle their sabres.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon May 29, 2023 11:43 pm

WWIII starting with Serbia invading instead of being invaded sounds like a bad joke.

Luckily it won't actually happen.
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Postby Aerlanica » Mon May 29, 2023 11:46 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:WWIII starting with Serbia invading instead of being invaded sounds like a bad joke.

Luckily it won't actually happen.


Damn, if it goes ahead, WW3 is going to start like WW1; with some bloody mess in the balkans. On the bright side at least the nuclear war will be over in time for morning tea.

Now with all poorly made jokes and jests aside and recognising a global world war is probably off the cards, I hope Serbia backs down; no point in throwing away lives for a parcel of land no matter how big or small, and definately it's not right to invade an independent state which wants to remain it's own entity. If they do go ahead, I hope the poor sods that are forced to fight for the irredentist machinations of a madman don't suffer too much and I hope said irredentist madman receives a polite visit from Mr Death.

Seriously though, we don't need any more war. Then again, invading other countries is kinda a jerk-face move; if Serbia invades Kosovo (with emphasis on if) they'll get no sympathy on me.

I would pray to god to not have war happen, but considering everything that happened since 2019-2020...yeah, if he exists I don't think he's listening. Suppose all we can do is just hope.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Mon May 29, 2023 11:52 pm

Balkans are Balkaning again. WWIII won't start over Serbia. At most it will be a repeat of the last time NATO and Serbia had a fight.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 29, 2023 11:54 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:Balkans are Balkaning again. WWIII won't start over Serbia. At most it will be a repeat of the last time NATO and Serbia had a fight.

If Serbia even invades.

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Postby -Astoria- » Mon May 29, 2023 11:59 pm

Querria wrote:
Transsibiria wrote:
Kosovo isn't NATO member. So Article 5 does not comes into play.


Even so, if NATO-KFOR is attacked, NATO may take collective defense regardless of it's Article 5. Russia will defend Serbia, of that there is no doubt. Such a scenario would start WW3 of course, leading to our inevitable demise via nuclear annihilation.

Can similarities between this and (rump) Yugoslavia at the turn of the millennium be drawn, however?
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Postby Bahrimontagn » Tue May 30, 2023 5:59 am

Didnt this whole thing start because Albanians rigged elections in serb majority areas?
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Postby Hoxie » Tue May 30, 2023 6:03 am

Transsibiria wrote:There stands to hope that Serbia does not give in to fascist provocations.

Besides, just the usual balkan drama.

How is it Fascist to protect your own ethnic people?

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Postby Gravlen » Tue May 30, 2023 6:05 am

Bahrimontagn wrote:Didnt this whole thing start because Albanians rigged elections in serb majority areas?

No.

I wouldn't even say it started, as this has been an ongoing conflict, but what set off this round of the conflict was the authorities pressing the victorious outcome of an election which the ethnic serb population boycotted.

Ethnic Serbs and ethnic Serb parties refused to take part in last month's mayoral elections in four municipalities in north Kosovo. That depressed turnout to just 3.5% - and facilitated the election of ethnic Albanian mayors in towns where the vast majority of people are Serbs.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 30, 2023 6:08 am

I really hope they back down and this doesn't escalate into another war.
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GO SERBIA! KOSOVO IS SERBIA. serbia will regain all territory!!!! serbia
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They will not

Querria wrote: Will Article 5 be triggered if KFOR is attacked by serbian military?

It will not

Querria wrote:Confirmed: Protests' have erupted in northern kosovo, and during said "protests" the "protesters" (of which many are not kosovo citizens)

There is no such thing as a Kosovo citizen

Querria wrote:have launched unprovoked attacks upon the NATO-KFOR, injuring dozens of soldiers. Serbia has moved military units to the border of Kosovo and put the military on "high combat alert.

Good. NATO has no right to maintain an unwelcome imperialist presence on Serbian territory

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Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said Monday that authorities in the self-proclaimed Republic of Kosovo are seeking a confrontation between Belgrade and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

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Serbia Puts Army On High Combat Alert Over Kosovo Clashes

As the President said in an address to the nation, Kosovo Prime Minister Albin Kurti organized the recent clashes in the north of the province "with his strong desire for a conflict between the Serbs and NATO."

Appealing to the international community over escalating tensions in the region, Vucic said that "the citizens of all Serbia must know that they have responsible leadership and that we will not allow pogroms and killings of our people."

The persistent marginalization and repression of the civil and political rights of Kosovar Serbs by the illegitimate Priština 'government' is indeed provocatory and confrontational. Back in December Kosovar Serbs were blockaded into their neighborhoods in Kosovska Mitrovica. Interestingly this came just days after the de facto administration of Kosovo declared intent to apply for EU membership. Perhaps they wish to achieve ethnic homogeneity in the area they claim before they come under (one would hope) increased scrutiny from the EU.

It is my sincere hope that the civil rights and wishes of the Kosovars are respected, but a capricious administration is preventing that. We can only hope that administration declines to let things reach the point where sustained violence occurs, as has happened in the past.

Querria wrote:Unconfirmed: Wagner are operating amongst the protesters in northern kosovo and russia vowing to militarily support Serbia by acting against NATO countries should the west defend Kosovo. The Kremlin bloc seems dead set on starting WW3.

Extremely unconfirmed. Despite Russian posturing otherwise, Moscow has secretly been delighted with illegal NATO adventurism in Serbia, and has used the 'Kosovo precedent' as a tool to justify the 'independence' of Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk puppet republics. Perhaps this has changed since those regions are now all formally integrated into Russia from Moscow's perspective; nonetheless credible evidence would need to be presented that supports such a change in Russia's position.

Querria wrote:Opinion: Ffs Shit like this is why I don't like allegiance to states. We're all about to f*cking die because of this stupidity. Thoughts, NSG?

We are not going to die because of this.
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Postby Zapato » Tue May 30, 2023 8:16 am

The North Polish Union wrote:It is my sincere hope that the civil rights and wishes of the Kosovars are respected,

Obvious lie is obvious. You gave away the game before before you even got to that point with this:

The North Polish Union wrote:There is no such thing as a Kosovo citizen

There is, if the civil rights and wishes of the Kosovars are respected.


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Postby Aeyariss » Tue May 30, 2023 8:28 am

Querria wrote:Will Article 5 be triggered if KFOR is attacked by serbian military?

Nah, Kosovo not a member state of NATO, A5 don't work like that... but an attack on KFOR will invoke proportionate retaliation.

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Postby Vivida Vis Animi » Tue May 30, 2023 8:29 am

Hoxie wrote:
Transsibiria wrote:There stands to hope that Serbia does not give in to fascist provocations.

Besides, just the usual balkan drama.

How is it Fascist to protect your own ethnic people?

How quickly the idea of ethno-states have came up in this discussion.
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