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[DRAFT 2] Repeal GA#23 "Ban on Slavery and Trafficking"

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[DRAFT 2] Repeal GA#23 "Ban on Slavery and Trafficking"

Postby Manidontcare » Sun May 28, 2023 8:18 pm

World Assembly,

RECONGIZING the intentions of the mentioned resolution to be flawed and against the notion of member nation's rights,

UNDERSTANDING that this issue is best reserved for an nation-to-nation issue for the following reasons;

A. Each member nation has their own complex legal, cultural, and historical contexts that shape an different view on slavery and trafficking,
B. Reserving this issue for nations would respect their perspective on slavery and trafficking, building trust within the community
C. Stating that the mentioned resolution infringes upon the rights of member nations, prohibiting them from acting within their own social contexts for an undefined term of "human rights"
D. Statin that this mentioned resolution puts on an "one-size-fits-all" regulation on member nations, disregarding the fundamental ideas of respecting other cultures and legal systems

NOTING that ethical questions are raised about the idea of slavery

HOPING to help address these ethical concerns,
A. Having someone do unpaid labor where they can not leave, although seeming morally ambiguous, is not in itself wrong. This labor can be anything from picking cotton, to mining, to washing clothes, practices which have been improved and have been safer over the years
B. With the labor being safe, there is no apparent reason to worry for the person's safety/well being, and as such, the person can be considered in safe hands
C. Although not being able to leave work that might not want to do seems daunting, it is extremely common for many people, such as having to do house duties, cleaning an car, etc
D. Comparing house duties to the labor mentioned might seem wrong, it is important to understand that both practices are perfectly safe, if under right conditions, and as such can be considered equal in some contexts.

HEREBY,

I. Repeals GA#23 "Ban on Slavery and Trafficking"

this is just an small draft, will be expanded upon every day
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Postby Quintessence of Dust » Sun May 28, 2023 8:24 pm

Haven't read it, but support.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun May 28, 2023 8:26 pm

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 28, 2023 8:29 pm

The Imperial and Royal Monarchy takes pleasure in registering two new hostis humani generis.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun May 28, 2023 8:32 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The Imperial and Royal Monarchy takes pleasure in registering three new hostis humani generis.

Three?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 28, 2023 8:34 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The Imperial and Royal Monarchy takes pleasure in registering three new hostis humani generis.

Three?

Yes you, and anybody else supporting this drivel is now considered a complete outlaw.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun May 28, 2023 8:35 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Three?

Yes you, and anybody else supporting this drivel is now considered a complete outlaw.

When did I say we supported the repeal?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 28, 2023 8:36 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes you, and anybody else supporting this drivel is now considered a complete outlaw.

When did I say I supported the repeal?

OOC: I seem to have completely missed the word "Against" smh... sorry...
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Postby Floofybit » Sun May 28, 2023 8:36 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Floofybit wrote:When did I say I supported the repeal?

OOC: I seem to have completely missed the word "Against" smh... sorry...

OOC: it's alright :p
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Postby The Ice States » Sun May 28, 2023 8:37 pm

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Postby DutchFormosa » Sun May 28, 2023 8:39 pm

I'm not sure if repealing this is gonna help with dehumanizing property.
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Postby Bigpipstan » Mon May 29, 2023 3:02 am

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"Hmm, this repeal looks promising. However some some details could be added to make this repeal more convincing to the WA oligarchs."
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Postby The Pacific Northwest » Mon May 29, 2023 3:20 am

When I saw the target resolution I assumed there was some flaw with the target and this was going to be an attempt at a repeal and replace, but no, OP straight up just wants to be able to legally own slaves.

Unacceptable. No support under any circumstance.
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Postby Manidontcare » Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 am

The Ice States wrote:"Does the mission of Manidontcare care about the fact that a practice being legal does not equate to it being ethical, and to that end that a slave was 'fairly and legally bought' does not make said purchase ethical?"

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Who cares about the ethics of the situation? In fact, this is the point I am talking about. |

You are humanizing this property, this being into something greater than property, and you add an moral question into it.

Instead, you should see this being, or this slave, as not an being but rather property, getting rid of the moral question and allowing for society to fully develop with help from slave labor

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Postby Equai » Mon May 29, 2023 7:17 am

Opposed, opposed, opposed. OPPOSED! Its shameful that this slave empires are even given a voice.
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon May 29, 2023 7:32 am

“The People’s Republic of Kenmoria stands entirely and totally opposed to this repeal. I can assure your Excellency that the full diplomatic presence of this Delegation shall be used to scuttle this piece of legislation entirely.”
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Postby Manidontcare » Mon May 29, 2023 7:57 am

Kenmoria wrote:“The People’s Republic of Kenmoria stands entirely and totally opposed to this repeal. I can assure your Excellency that the full diplomatic presence of this Delegation shall be used to scuttle this piece of legislation entirely.”

What is wrong with the proposal? Advocating for the rights of member nations does not seem wrong, and one of these rights include the right to determine the legalality of slavery within one's own border

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Postby Kenmoria » Mon May 29, 2023 8:04 am

Manidontcare wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:“The People’s Republic of Kenmoria stands entirely and totally opposed to this repeal. I can assure your Excellency that the full diplomatic presence of this Delegation shall be used to scuttle this piece of legislation entirely.”

What is wrong with the proposal? Advocating for the rights of member nations does not seem wrong, and one of these rights include the right to determine the legalality of slavery within one's own border

“Member-nations do not have rights; persons have rights. Member-nations, instead of rights, have various powers. One such power is the joining and leaving of international organisations, such as the General Assembly. The exercise of this power comes with various benefits, but it also comes with various drawbacks, one of which is the loss of absolute sovereignty. I refer your Excellency to GA #654, the Civil Charter of the World Assembly, which details more precisely what this entails.”

“The way that these powers are utilised reflects the democratic consensus of the General Assembly. Kenmoria was not a member of the General Assembly when GA #023, Ban on Slavery and Trafficking, was passed, but some hint at the reasoning of the collective member-nations can be gained from reading that resolution’s preamble. The preamble is rather short, and its language too humanocentric for the modern General Assembly, but it details that slavery is incompatible with civil rights. Civil rights, by definition, do not change. Slavery, likewise, has not experienced a change in nature. Thus, what was said in that preamble remains true.”
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Postby Manidontcare » Mon May 29, 2023 8:09 am

Equai wrote:Opposed, opposed, opposed. OPPOSED! Its shameful that this slave empires are even given a voice.

Slave Empires?
I prefer, Empires that identify humans that have been bought through an fair process as property.

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Postby El Lazaro » Mon May 29, 2023 8:13 am

:eyebrow:

I was expecting this to be about some kind of minor flaw that undermines the intent of the resolution, not “Is slavery really that bad?”

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Postby Manidontcare » Mon May 29, 2023 8:13 am

El Lazaro wrote::eyebrow:

I was expecting this to be about some kind of minor flaw that undermines the intent of the resolution, not “Is slavery really that bad?”

Is slavery really that bad though?

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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 29, 2023 8:36 am

Manidontcare wrote:
El Lazaro wrote::eyebrow:

I was expecting this to be about some kind of minor flaw that undermines the intent of the resolution, not “Is slavery really that bad?”

Is slavery really that bad though?

YES. Humans, Floofs, or any intelligent species deserve a life, and not to be sold away as property.
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Postby Of Memers » Mon May 29, 2023 8:40 am

While we have slaves, atleast we have them in proper conditions with middle-class housing,food, water,AC, Healthcare and everything else
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