Good art by bad people

[Elwher]

From The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/separate-art-from-artist-cancel-culture-monsters-book/673497/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3oFR-6pKIubnxePfJ1-KQ0CNJGC7EPcNaZadAZse2sqASkxOAn-Q3Ry3k

I agree, the art is separate from the artist, and bad people can make good art that is acceptable to enjoy; just as good people can make bad art that is fair to dislike.

What say the group?

[Cyber Duotona]

i'm reiterating this point from another forum i frequent: if the art is good enough, i can most likely separate art from artist.

[Imperiul romanum]

From The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/separate-art-from-artist-cancel-culture-monsters-book/673497/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3oFR-6pKIubnxePfJ1-KQ0CNJGC7EPcNaZadAZse2sqASkxOAn-Q3Ry3k

I agree, the art is separate from the artist, and bad people can make good art that is acceptable to enjoy; just as good people can make bad art that is fair to dislike.

What say the group?

A bad person that is change him, will be a good person

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, you can make such a separation. I find that Emilie Autumn is a good musician, but she’s a terrible person.

[New Temecula]

I relate to the title of the thread lol

Anyways, there is this quote of mine I live by:
"No matter the talent, everyone is evil in the perspective of another, another whom may or may not be right."

[Bradfordville]

Growing up, my dad introduced me to the music of the Velvet Underground. The band put out absolute bangers back in the day, but unfortunately frontman Lou Reed was kind of an asshole. At least in the case of Velvet Underground, you can say the music is technically not just Reed's music, but the whole band's. But I don't know if I can listen to Reed's solo music knowing now what I know about him as a man. With how many problematic musicians there's been, it's almost a breath of fresh air to find one who genuinely is a good person.

[Cyber Duotona]

Yes, you can make such a separation. I find that Emilie Autumn is a good musician, but she’s a terrible person.

i can also give a good music example in that i'm a pretty big fan of sewerslvt's work even if some of the things she's done in the past were... iffy (such as naming an old mashup album of hers the n-word)

[Jilia]

From The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/separate-art-from-artist-cancel-culture-monsters-book/673497/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3oFR-6pKIubnxePfJ1-KQ0CNJGC7EPcNaZadAZse2sqASkxOAn-Q3Ry3k

I agree, the art is separate from the artist, and bad people can make good art that is acceptable to enjoy; just as good people can make bad art that is fair to dislike.

What say the group?

I whole-heartedly agree

You don’t have to change opinions on a piece of art just because it was drawn by a bad person, it’s still good!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, you can make such a separation. I find that Emilie Autumn is a good musician, but she’s a terrible person.

i can also give a good music example in that i'm a pretty big fan of sewerslvt's work even if some of the things she's done in the past were... iffy (such as naming an old mashup album of hers the n-word)

I don’t listen to her music anymore. Autumn, I mean. She’s a sucky person, but I must admit she has the musical chops at least to create good music. I just won’t sponsor her.

[Cyber Duotona]

sidenote: i have a feeling this thread was started partially due to the recent fiasco surrounding Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65725902.amp

[Elwher]

sidenote: i have a feeling this thread was started partially due to the recent fiasco surrounding Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65725902.amp

Not at all; your post was the first I had heard of this incident. Actually, the death of Rolf Harris and the Atlantic article combined to make me wonder how the group felt.

[All Wild Things]

For me, it depends. Is my appreciation of that art going to benefit the artist I don't like?

If I listen to a song on Spotify (say), the artist is going to get paid royalties. I don't want them to get my money, so I don't listen.

If that artist is already dead, or if I bought CD of the song long before I started disliking the artist, then they're not benefitting from my money. So it's ok to listen. Though I can't listen to the song without thinking "what a horrible person".

[Italia Rhegia]

Michael Jackson was a terrible person but one of the greatest musicians of all time.

[Diarcesia]

From The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/separate-art-from-artist-cancel-culture-monsters-book/673497/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3oFR-6pKIubnxePfJ1-KQ0CNJGC7EPcNaZadAZse2sqASkxOAn-Q3Ry3k

I agree, the art is separate from the artist, and bad people can make good art that is acceptable to enjoy; just as good people can make bad art that is fair to dislike.

What say the group?

Hint: It's by a certain Austrian painter

[Atomtopia]

From The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/separate-art-from-artist-cancel-culture-monsters-book/673497/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3oFR-6pKIubnxePfJ1-KQ0CNJGC7EPcNaZadAZse2sqASkxOAn-Q3Ry3k

I agree, the art is separate from the artist, and bad people can make good art that is acceptable to enjoy; just as good people can make bad art that is fair to dislike.

What say the group?

Hint: It's by a certain Austrian painter

D:
nice art.
trash person.

[Elwher]

From The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/separate-art-from-artist-cancel-culture-monsters-book/673497/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3oFR-6pKIubnxePfJ1-KQ0CNJGC7EPcNaZadAZse2sqASkxOAn-Q3Ry3k

I agree, the art is separate from the artist, and bad people can make good art that is acceptable to enjoy; just as good people can make bad art that is fair to dislike.

What say the group?

Hint: It's by a certain Austrian painter

Nice is the word. Not great or even good, but nice,

[New Anarchisticstan]

Sex Pistols' bassist Sid Vicious was charged with assault plus the murder of his girlfriend. Yet NVM The Bollocks is one of the best albums I've ever heard.

[-Britain-]

Roald Dahl was, by some accounts, grumpy, unfriendly, egocentric, a bully who treated his wife with contempt and had numerous extramarital affairs. He was also a self-affirmed anti-Semite, admitting his dislike for Jews in an interview shortly before his death, but all that makes no difference to the fact that he was of the world's greatest authors of children's fiction.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can absolutely separate art from the artist in most circumstances. Like, to use a very recent example, Kanye is fucking insane but a load of people still love his music.

[United Kerolon]

I agree that you can separate art from the artist in almost all cases. The only exceptions are when the bad artist's bad aspects/beliefs are reflected in the art and/or when enjoying the art directly benefits the artist. Thankfully, that doesn't happen too often; I can only think of one or two people that meet those criteria.

[Bradfordville]

You can absolutely separate art from the artist in most circumstances. Like, to use a very recent example, Kanye is fucking insane but a load of people still love his music.

Your honor, I would like to remind the jury that he made graduation.

[The Pirateariat]

If you don't want to read Dilbert cartoons anymore because Scott Adams lost his mind, I guess that's fine. To be honest they haven't been all that funny for a while anyway.

But you also shouldn't feel bad for enjoying the good ones. Or let his antics spoil them for you. Art belongs not to the author, but to us all.

[Mtwara]

Sometimes art is good because it was made by a bad person.

[Askusia]

You know a certain skinny-mustache man used to be a pretty decent painter…

[Stellar Colonies]

I really like George Alexopoulos's artstyle, but I don't agree with the political takes that are expressed with them.