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Calls for violence against LGBTQ people intensify

Postby Neu California » Wed May 17, 2023 1:48 am

ABC wrote:Threats of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community are on the rise and intensifying, according to a new briefing by the Department of Homeland Security.

The DHS document, distributed to government and law enforcement agencies on May 11, said that domestic violence extremists and people who commit hate crimes have increased threats of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community within the last year.

"These issues include actions linked to drag-themed events, gender-affirming care, and LGBTQIA+ curricula in schools," DHS said.

DHS said that the issues inspiring threats and calls of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community could lead to a rise of potential attacks against larger targets, such as public spaces and healthcare sites that may be linked to the community.

DHS analysts also cite social media chatter celebrating the recent mass shooting at a Nashville church school.

"High-profile attacks against schools and faith-based institutions like the recent shooting in Nashville have historically served as inspiration for individuals to conduct copycat attacks," DHS said.

In recent months, politicians in Tennessee, Florida and other Republican-run states have introduced legislation that critics say targets the LGBTQIA+ community.

In March 2022, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the Parental Rights in Education bill, dubbed the "Don't Say Gay" bill by detractors.

The bill banned classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through third grade. Last month, the Florida Board of Education expanded those restrictions to include all grades. In March, Tennessee became the first state to restrict public drag performances.

HB 9 and SB 3, signed by Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, make "a person who engages in an adult cabaret performance on public property" -- or where it can be viewed by minors -- a criminal offense.

Last month, a federal judge temporarily blocked the law, saying it was vaguely written and overly broad, according to AP.

At least 14 states have passed laws or policies that restrict gender-affirming care for people under the age of legal majority, which is the threshold for legal adulthood.

According to DHS, about 20% of all hate crimes reported throughout the country in 2021 were motivated by bias linked to sexual orientation and gender, citing the FBI's hate crime statistics.


This is what all the anti-woke nonsense gets you in the end, and why I will never vote for a Republican.

So, NSG, is the Republican culture war against those who aren't heteronormative the cause of this? And if not, who is?

I'm definitely going to say that if the Repubs aren't responsible for creating this harmful, hateful rhetoric, they are responsible for amplifying it and if there is another massacre of LGBT individuals (say, in the style of the Pulse Nightclub shooting), then the right should be held responsible for creating an environment where it's more likely to happen.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed May 17, 2023 2:03 am

I still vividly remember them cheering on the murders in Colorado Springs last Novemeber. The right wing thought leaders and their adherents want queer people dead, plain and simple.
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Postby United Calanworie » Wed May 17, 2023 2:13 am

I'm not surprised in the slightest. This is what they want.
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Postby British Calradia » Wed May 17, 2023 4:16 am

What kind of "violence" is being perpetrated?

As far as I know, it either seems to be tied into general violence or as similar as before.....

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 17, 2023 5:37 am

British Calradia wrote:What kind of "violence" is being perpetrated?

As far as I know, it either seems to be tied into general violence or as similar as before.....

From bullying to exclusion from public schools up to murder. Isn't that enough?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 17, 2023 5:37 am

British Calradia wrote:What kind of "violence" is being perpetrated?

As far as I know, it either seems to be tied into general violence or as similar as before.....



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Postby Juansonia » Wed May 17, 2023 8:16 am

Anyone who is LGBTQ+ needs to buy a rifle, shotgun, or pistol-cartridge carbine. Not only will it provide the means for self-defense, it will also serve as a deterrent against hate crimes and oppression. If worst comes to worst, insurgency may be necessary, so stock up.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Wed May 17, 2023 8:28 am

With violence steadily on the rise in the US, and ghe incredibly polarised political climate, this was bound to happen eventually. Kinda sucks to say it, but I wish the best for the LGBTQIA+ community in the US.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed May 17, 2023 8:29 am

Wow I thought all the woke rhetoric was going to win friends and influence people. Is it because not enough people were pissed on? Maybe tell more people you don't care about their cis opinion- that'll teach them to respect others. Who can we get fired for not understanding something we've asserted it isn't out job to explain? That guy's getting an ally pin right after he packs up his desk. Perhaps we should conflate "I disagree with you about at least one point of a scientific political or medical issue" with being a phobe or an ist- there's no surer way to distance people from a group or ideology than to tell them they're already members of a group or ideology. Are there any speakers we disagree with who we can deplatform and silence? After all ideas pushed out of the light of reason and into the festering darkness to be passed around echo chambers just go away and nobody harbors any resentment.

I've spent over a decade saying this exact fucking thing was going to happen. This is the backlash everybody was so goddamn sure was NEVER going to happen. The reason you have "anti-woke nonsense" is because a fundamentally toxic identitarian ideology has been highlighting our differences for years and has so worn on people that any politician willing to offer the crowd heads on pikes is celebrated as a hero.

None of that is a justification, it's fucking horrible. It's clear that the right wing started this fire but for fucks sake why did the left cover everything with gas?
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Postby Komarovo » Wed May 17, 2023 8:35 am

Everyday, I feel progressively less safe anywhere. Its just tiring. Let me be myself without getting insulted or stabbed.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 17, 2023 8:37 am

This is not surprising. So much religious hate out there.
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Postby Fractalnavel » Wed May 17, 2023 8:39 am

The Black Forrest wrote:This is not surprising. So much religious hate out there.

Is this even religious? Or just hate for the sake of hate? "Manufactured outrage"?

So as police stories go - who gets what out of this? Not exactly "follow the money", but what does who gain?

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Postby Poliski » Wed May 17, 2023 8:39 am

Juansonia wrote:Anyone who is LGBTQ+ needs to buy a rifle, shotgun, or pistol-cartridge carbine. Not only will it provide the means for self-defense, it will also serve as a deterrent against hate crimes and oppression. If worst comes to worst, insurgency may be necessary, so stock up.

M8, that is just gonna end up in even more controversy and violence as Republicans will it as a hostile action against them. Republicans will use it as an excuse to use more force against the LGBTQ community.
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Postby Black Raven Movement » Wed May 17, 2023 8:41 am

Poliski wrote:
Juansonia wrote:Anyone who is LGBTQ+ needs to buy a rifle, shotgun, or pistol-cartridge carbine. Not only will it provide the means for self-defense, it will also serve as a deterrent against hate crimes and oppression. If worst comes to worst, insurgency may be necessary, so stock up.

M8, that is just gonna end up in even more controversy and violence as Republicans will it as a hostile action against them. Republicans will use it as an excuse to use more force against the LGBTQ community.

Literally this. Hardline dialogues on the right already used Nashville as ammo for their rhetoric, this'll only make things undeniably worse.
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Postby Poliski » Wed May 17, 2023 8:42 am

Fractalnavel wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:This is not surprising. So much religious hate out there.

Is this even religious? Or just hate for the sake of hate? "Manufactured outrage"?

So as police stories go - who gets what out of this? Not exactly "follow the money", but what does who gain?

It's republicans manipulating religion for their own hateful needs.
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Postby Past beans » Wed May 17, 2023 8:44 am

I tell people that the USA is one of the most backwards countries.
This is proving that point.
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Postby Komarovo » Wed May 17, 2023 8:44 am

Poliski wrote:
Juansonia wrote:Anyone who is LGBTQ+ needs to buy a rifle, shotgun, or pistol-cartridge carbine. Not only will it provide the means for self-defense, it will also serve as a deterrent against hate crimes and oppression. If worst comes to worst, insurgency may be necessary, so stock up.

M8, that is just gonna end up in even more controversy and violence as Republicans will it as a hostile action against them. Republicans will use it as an excuse to use more force against the LGBTQ community.

How else are we to defend ourselves from the force of Republicans then? Are we supposed to just take it and make pleas for help as more and more people become either indifferent or opposed to the idea of the LGBTQ community? Or should we rise against them and show them that we aren't all just bark?
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed May 17, 2023 8:46 am

The Black Forrest wrote:This is not surprising. So much religious hate out there.

Religion has never been less important to people, you'll notice the rhetoric isn't as insistently faith based as it was under Bush. God isn't the lever he used to be and it doesn't make sense to hang this on religion.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx
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Postby Black Raven Movement » Wed May 17, 2023 8:47 am

Komarovo wrote:
Poliski wrote:M8, that is just gonna end up in even more controversy and violence as Republicans will it as a hostile action against them. Republicans will use it as an excuse to use more force against the LGBTQ community.

How else are we to defend ourselves from the force of Republicans then? Are we supposed to just take it and make pleas for help as more and more people become either indifferent or opposed to the idea of the LGBTQ community? Or should we rise against them and show them that we aren't all just bark?

What has you thinking that an insurgency will work? I want to know.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed May 17, 2023 8:48 am

Black Raven Movement wrote:
Poliski wrote:M8, that is just gonna end up in even more controversy and violence as Republicans will it as a hostile action against them. Republicans will use it as an excuse to use more force against the LGBTQ community.

Literally this. Hardline dialogues on the right already used Nashville as ammo for their rhetoric, this'll only make things undeniably worse.


They will use anything the community does to fuel their hate. If you arm yourself, it's "trans day of vengeance" from the right. If you don't, you just get fucking murdered.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed May 17, 2023 8:48 am

Poliski wrote:M8, that is just gonna end up in even more controversy and violence as Republicans will it as a hostile action against them. Republicans will use it as an excuse to use more force against the LGBTQ community.

Wait a minute you think an insurgency might be viewed as a hostile act? Political correctness gone mad I say.

I mean it was a terrible post because this is not a problem anyone's going to escalate out of but at a conceptual level yes you and anyone else capable should be armed it's just a good policy.
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Postby Poliski » Wed May 17, 2023 8:49 am

Komarovo wrote:How else are we to defend ourselves from the force of Republicans then? Are we supposed to just take it and make pleas for help as more and more people become either indifferent or opposed to the idea of the LGBTQ community? Or should we rise against them and show them that we aren't all just bark?

Escalation will just lead to more violence and asking the government hasn't been working. I don't have a solution, but I know that weaponization will just lead to even more violence on both sides.
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Postby Black Raven Movement » Wed May 17, 2023 8:50 am

Rusozak wrote:
Black Raven Movement wrote:Literally this. Hardline dialogues on the right already used Nashville as ammo for their rhetoric, this'll only make things undeniably worse.


They will use anything the community does to fuel their hate. If you arm yourself, it's "trans day of vengeance" from the right. If you don't, you just get fucking murdered.

Let them be armed. Waging a civil conflict isn't a way of doing that.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed May 17, 2023 8:53 am

Poliski wrote:Escalation will just lead to more violence and asking the government hasn't been working. I don't have a solution, but I know that weaponization will just lead to even more violence on both sides.

Open, honest, public rhetoric and a focus on our shared values and elevating and amplifying those who are civil and well reasoned rather than those who sell us our own frustration. It's not a quick solution you can't build a house as fast as you can burn it.
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