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NationStates' Silent Majority

Postby Poliski » Tue May 16, 2023 8:33 am

Throughout my time in the general tab, I have noticed that there is a large difference between the conversations and the polls when related to political issues. I have noticed that the polls show that a majority of people on NationStates (often around the range of 60%-75%) vote more left-leaning on IRL political issues. However, the discussions are much more saturated with people arguing for more right-leaning issues and solutions.

Why is the left-leaning majority less active on forms than the right-leaning minority?
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Postby Rusozak » Tue May 16, 2023 8:42 am

The silent majority implies a not-so-silent minority. It's a simple matter of a handful of loud right wingers dominating a conversation. People are more inclined to refute something they don't agree with, than echo something they do.
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Tue May 16, 2023 8:47 am

your polls are flawed and patriots are the real silent majority
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Postby LFPD Soveriegn » Tue May 16, 2023 8:50 am

Eternal Algerstonia wrote:your polls are flawed and patriots are the real silent majority


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Postby Galactic Powers » Tue May 16, 2023 8:51 am

This forum has a clear leftist bent, I don’t know what you are talking about.

Want to link some of those polls you mentioned?
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Postby Floofybit » Tue May 16, 2023 8:54 am

Eternal Algerstonia wrote:your polls are flawed and patriots are the real silent majority

Is it a coincidence that corruption and capitalism start with the same letter?
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Postby Floofybit » Tue May 16, 2023 8:55 am

I don't know if I believe you. I see a lot more left leaning discussion on this forum.
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Postby Mindhart » Tue May 16, 2023 8:58 am

I am one of them. In my experience, I try, but I get drowned out, Tged about why I'm wrong and how i'm stupid, or just... ignored.
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Postby Poliski » Tue May 16, 2023 9:00 am

Galactic Powers wrote:This forum has a clear leftist bent, I don’t know what you are talking about.

Want to link some of those polls you mentioned?

Here is 4 from the main page alone

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534965
75% of voters believe in no-fault divorce

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534990
58% of voters consider themselves leftist

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534725
78% of voters agree with mail-in voting

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534635
68% of voters disagree with DeSantis's decisions
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Tue May 16, 2023 9:00 am

Floofybit wrote:
Eternal Algerstonia wrote:your polls are flawed and patriots are the real silent majority

Is it a coincidence that corruption and capitalism start with the same letter?

and communism
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 16, 2023 9:02 am

Not really seeing the left leaning folks here as silent. They articulate themselves just fine
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Tue May 16, 2023 9:04 am

Ethel mermania wrote:Not really seeing the left leaning folks here as silent. They articulate themselves just fine

The right just yells
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue May 16, 2023 9:07 am

Mindhart wrote:I am one of them. In my experience, I try, but I get drowned out, Tged about why I'm wrong and how i'm stupid, or just... ignored.

Honestly, its not so much the majority is silent, but rather, we have a very loud, vocal, right wing minority.
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Postby Picairn » Tue May 16, 2023 9:08 am

I don't see how discussions are more saturated with right-wing individuals. A typical NSG debate involves like 2-3 right-wingers against 5-6 left-wing people.
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Postby Floofybit » Tue May 16, 2023 9:10 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Is it a coincidence that corruption and capitalism start with the same letter?

and communism

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 16, 2023 9:50 am

Leftists can be a contentious and divided bunch, but I imagine that because there's more of them sometimes left-leaning people will go to post and then see that somebody's already made the point they were going to make. Don't think this is all that deep.
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Tue May 16, 2023 9:54 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Leftists can be a contentious and divided bunch, but I imagine that because there's more of them sometimes left-leaning people will go to post and then see that somebody's already made the point they were going to make. Don't think this is all that deep.

This, pretty much. I am more likely to write out a long response post to something I disagree with than to something I fully agree with. If everyone in the thread agree with each other and I agree with them, why bother posting?

You can see this play out pretty clearly in the Ukraine war discussion threads, where it's quiet most of the time, then a pro-Russian conspiracy theorist wanders in and suddenly the thread erupts in activity as everyone argues against them.
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Postby Juansonia » Tue May 16, 2023 9:57 am

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Leftists can be a contentious and divided bunch, but I imagine that because there's more of them sometimes left-leaning people will go to post and then see that somebody's already made the point they were going to make. Don't think this is all that deep.
This, pretty much. I am more likely to write out a long response post to something I disagree with than to something I fully agree with. If everyone in the thread agree with each other and I agree with them, why bother posting?

You can see this play out pretty clearly in the Ukraine war discussion threads, where it's quiet most of the time, then a pro-Russian conspiracy theorist wanders in and suddenly the thread erupts in activity as everyone argues against them.
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Postby American Collectivism » Tue May 16, 2023 9:57 am

Eternal Algerstonia wrote:your polls are flawed and patriots are the real silent majority


wow. you are literally me but unironically. it must be boring typing these just to get a rise out of other nations :rofl:
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Postby Mindhart » Wed May 17, 2023 9:57 am

Why argue, if the right side won't listen? I'd compare it to birds. We all share the same flock and the same territory, but half of them start fights constantly.
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Postby Theodores Tomfooleries » Wed May 17, 2023 1:53 pm

Poliski wrote:Throughout my time in the general tab, I have noticed that there is a large difference between the conversations and the polls when related to political issues. I have noticed that the polls show that a majority of people on NationStates (often around the range of 60%-75%) vote more left-leaning on IRL political issues. However, the discussions are much more saturated with people arguing for more right-leaning issues and solutions.

Why is the left-leaning majority less active on forms than the right-leaning minority?

Leftists debate on discord and scream at each-other there. RIghtists don't. There's your answer.
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Postby Ratateague » Wed May 17, 2023 1:57 pm

I would disregard polls, as results can be easily inflated with puppet vote-stuffing.
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Postby Gurkland » Wed May 17, 2023 2:07 pm

Floofybit wrote:I don't know if I believe you. I see a lot more left leaning discussion on this forum.

Exactly, i do see a lot of left wings from different school of thoughts. From my experience, most right wing speakers in Nationstates seems americans to me, as they usually have american flags and the like, and that's why i believe they're a minority as left wingers are from many different countries on this game. I never saw an european right winger on NS
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Postby Eahland » Wed May 17, 2023 5:45 pm

Poliski wrote:
Galactic Powers wrote:This forum has a clear leftist bent, I don’t know what you are talking about.

Want to link some of those polls you mentioned?

Here is 4 from the main page alone

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534965
75% of voters believe in no-fault divorce

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534990
58% of voters consider themselves leftist

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534725
78% of voters agree with mail-in voting

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=534635
68% of voters disagree with DeSantis's decisions

It's a pretty sad sign of how far towards crazytown the Republican Party has pushed the Overton Window when "letting people get divorced" and "convenient voting" are considered "left-wing" opinions.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed May 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Nah, I'm pretty loud, to be honest. Ditto a lot of left-leaning folks.

I think summertime posters have just historically been more memorable, and often (but not always) been associated with more extremist ideologies.

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