US Balkanisation - Is it time?

[Countesia]

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Ever since the Obama administration the United States has become increasingly more polarised between the Democrat and Republican party to the point very few politicians, even its own populace, have an overlap in beliefs.

Talks of civil war, or the 'Boogaloo' are almost regular conversation among certain groups.

Needless to say, people do not like the federal government unless a politician of their liking is in power. The Trump and Biden administrations have only proven this further. Laws signed by both presidents have been hugely unpopular in red and blue states. Trump's travel bans, transgender military exclusions and Bidens Respect for Marriage Act are two examples of this.

It is safe to say that at any given time at least 50% of the country does not like the federal government.

So why have a federal government? To an outsider looking in, all i can see is a politically stagnant nation held back by a deeply divided congress that relies on a party majority to accomplish anything. Any so called 'Bipartisan' bills are normally very lopsided when it comes to votes. I used to be against the idea of a national divorce, now i'm thinking that batshit crazy Marjorie Taylor Greene might have a point as much as that hurts to say.

Would it not be better for each individual state to have complete self determination, NS?

[Pua Pua]

.... No?
I've seen a lot of people crying second civil war on NS. I really can't see that anytime soon. And it's definitely not time, I don't think we should balkanize. That'll only make the issue at hand worse.

[Kernen]

Believe it or not, there is, in fact, room between balkanization and complete and perfect cooperative unity.

[The North Polish Union]

>Balkanization

Do people seriously look at 1990s Yugoslavia and think "Yes, this is what I want for my country"?

[Picairn]

It's going to be a chaotic mess if the US balkanizes, so no.

[Ventura Bay]

No thanks.

[Kernen]

>Balkanization

Do people seriously look at 1990s Yugoslavia and think "Yes, this is what I want for my country"?

To be fair, the idea of armed conflict with Massachusetts does sound like fun...

[Stellar Colonies]

No.

[Adamede]

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read today.

[Arval Va]

Worst way to solve political division.

[Thermodolia]

Oh look it’s time for the tri-monthly break up the US post.

Also OP didn’t you already do this before?

And the answer is no

[Countesia]

Oh look it’s time for the tri-monthly break up the US post.

Also OP didn’t you already do this before?

And the answer is no

I did one about dictatorships

[Floofybit]

Lol no

[The Pure Russia]

If you think about the issue of foreign relations, the Federation is necessary, as it was 200 years ago.

[Ryemarch]

No.

[Thermodolia]

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[blocktext]Ever since the Obama administration the United States has become increasingly more polarised between the Democrat and Republican party to the point very few politicians, even its own populace, have an overlap in beliefs.

Talks of civil war, or the 'Boogaloo' are almost regular conversation among certain groups.

Fringe groups mostly. Hell I’m friends with a lot of conservatives and not one of them mention civil war.

Needless to say, people do not like the federal government unless a politician of their liking is in power.

So you’ve found something out that has existed for the last 100 years, congratulations.

The Trump and Biden administrations have only proven this further. Laws signed by both presidents have been hugely unpopular in red and blue states. Trump's travel bans, transgender military exclusions and Bidens Respect for Marriage Act are two examples of this.

Just so ya know the RFMA actually had broad support in red states and was passed with the OK of the Mormon church and other conservative groups.

Plus outside of Mississippi gay marriage has a positive (above 50%) approval rating in all states.

It is safe to say that at any given time at least 50% of the country does not like the federal government.

It’s actually not because the nation isn’t 50/50 republican or democrat. Most of the nation is actually non political and moderates actually make up the plurality with some 45-46% of the nation. Democrats make up around 28% while republicans make up around 26-27%

So in actuality it’s more like a third of the US doesn’t like the federal government.

So why have a federal government?

Because the US doesn’t rely on the whims of a few to do anything.

To an outsider looking in, all i can see is a politically stagnant nation held back by a deeply divided congress that relies on a party majority to accomplish anything. Any so called 'Bipartisan' bills are normally very lopsided when it comes to votes.

Congrats you’ve discovered American politics for the last 80 years!

I used to be against the idea of a national divorce, now i'm thinking that batshit crazy Marjorie Taylor Greene might have a point as much as that hurts to say.

It’s still a nutty idea because the people that want that are a small number, most Americans actually get along. It’s the media (mainly the right wing) that wants you to believe the entire nation is coming apart if they don’t do something.

Would it not be better for each individual state to have complete self determination, NS?

Unless you want to be dominated by the CCP no

[Improper Classifications]

>Balkanization

Do people seriously look at 1990s Yugoslavia and think "Yes, this is what I want for my country"?

To be fair, the idea of armed conflict with Massachusetts does sound like fun...

"Get back here, Rhode Island!"

[Thermodolia]

.... No?
I've seen a lot of people crying second civil war on NS. I really can't see that anytime soon. And it's definitely not time, I don't think we should balkanize. That'll only make the issue at hand worse.

Funny enough NSG is the only place I see people talking about civil war. The rest of the internet I visit doesn’t talk about it and I damn sure don’t see talk about it in my actual life.

[Floofybit]

There cannot be survival without unity

[Thermodolia]

There cannot be survival without unity

For once I agree with floof

[Cannot think of a name]

Ever since the Obama administration the United States has become increasingly more polarised

Oh sweetums...is this when you tuned in?

[Cannot think of a name]

.... No?
I've seen a lot of people crying second civil war on NS. I really can't see that anytime soon. And it's definitely not time, I don't think we should balkanize. That'll only make the issue at hand worse.

Funny enough NSG is the only place I see people talking about civil war. The rest of the internet I visit doesn’t talk about it and I damn sure don’t see talk about it in my actual life.

That's because it's a coo coo bananas concept.

[Hispida]

[Dumb Ideologies]

I love it when a foreign committee gets to draw some completely ahistorical and arbitrary straight-line borders.

[Kernen]

There cannot be survival without unity

For once I agree with floof

Don't. Survival in this context applies exclusively to a narrow American identity. We will survive fine as people without that identity.