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The Fallacy of Centrism

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Far Left (Progressive, Marxist, etc.)
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23%
Left (Democratic, cares about human rights, etc.)
78
35%
Right (Opposite of left)
39
17%
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54
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The Fallacy of Centrism

Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Sun May 14, 2023 12:48 pm

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun May 14, 2023 1:30 pm

Wtf are you talking about. Even conservatives want change, so long as it's gradual. Centrists are people like Macron who are Liberals.
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Postby EuroStralia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:34 pm

Centrists are usually people who don't care about politics, or doesn't pick a side in politics.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

There is no "crusade on human rights" by the GOP.

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Postby Galactic Powers » Sun May 14, 2023 1:34 pm

I'm not even going to bother with addressing this, but the poll is absolutely hilarious.
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Galactic Powers wrote:I'm not even going to bother with addressing this, but the poll is absolutely hilarious.

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Postby EuroStralia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:39 pm

Galactic Powers wrote:I'm not even going to bother with addressing this, but the poll is absolutely hilarious.

Why?

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Postby Gaybeans » Sun May 14, 2023 1:40 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Galactic Powers wrote:I'm not even going to bother with addressing this, but the poll is absolutely hilarious.

Why?

Did you look at it? What is being classified under any of those headings are pretty wild.

Who even thinks that the American Democrat Party are left wing?
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Postby EuroStralia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:43 pm

Gaybeans wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:Why?

Did you look at it? What is being classified under any of those headings are pretty wild.

Who even thinks that the American Democrat Party are left wing?

Me.

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Postby Rary » Sun May 14, 2023 1:43 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist

Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

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Postby Cyber Duotona » Sun May 14, 2023 1:44 pm

left being labelled "cares about human rights" tells you exactly the political alignment of the person who made it.

also, centrists don't oppose change. in reality, centrists typically don't really care about change or tradition, as long as they personally aren't affected negatively by it.
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Postby Gaybeans » Sun May 14, 2023 1:45 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Gaybeans wrote:Did you look at it? What is being classified under any of those headings are pretty wild.

Who even thinks that the American Democrat Party are left wing?

Me.

That's...kinda sad, ngl. Big F in the chat.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:45 pm

Rary wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist

Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

As has been explained countless times, they are absolutely in the process of doing so. Firing the ovens ain't the only way to go about it.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Sun May 14, 2023 1:46 pm

Cyber Duotona wrote:left being labelled "cares about human rights" tells you exactly the political alignment of the person who made it.

also, centrists don't oppose change. in reality, centrists typically don't really care about change or tradition, as long as they personally aren't affected negatively by it.

Selfishness, then.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

If your positions cause you to be hated by both right-wingers and left-wingers, you earn the right to claim centrism.

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Postby Necroghastia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm

EuroStralia wrote:Centrists are usually people who don't care about politics, or doesn't pick a side in politics.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

There is no "crusade on human rights" by the GOP.

They are literally coming for freedom of speech,freedom of expression, and bodily sovereignty across the board, but go off I guess.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Cyber Duotona wrote:left being labelled "cares about human rights" tells you exactly the political alignment of the person who made it.

also, centrists don't oppose change. in reality, centrists typically don't really care about change or tradition, as long as they personally aren't affected negatively by it.

Selfishness, then.

I like how you only reply to the only person that isn't right-wing
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Postby Rary » Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Rary wrote:Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

As has been explained countless times, they are absolutely in the process of doing so. Firing the ovens ain't the only way to go about it.

Just because you don’t like what they’re doing doesn’t mean they are genocidal.

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Postby EuroStralia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm

Rary wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist

Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

That's the funny part, they didn't.

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Postby Estebere » Sun May 14, 2023 1:48 pm

What would one do if they were a centrist and wanted to answer the poll?
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Postby Vikanias » Sun May 14, 2023 1:49 pm

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

In all seriousness, centrists aren’t people who don’t want change, they just are people either disinterested in politics at large and probably vote more on practical lines than idealistic ones like more people on the extremes do, rather the idea that they don’t pay much attention to the issues of the day is bad or good depends on what you think. And I’m a Center-Right Progressive Conservative, i just don’t like the extremes and the radicalization that comes with them.

Also, the poll clearly caters to your views that everyone to the right is a person who hates democracy and human rights, which is far from the truth, and makes me laugh.
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Postby EuroStralia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:50 pm

Estebere wrote:What would one do if they were a centrist and wanted to answer the poll?

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Postby Cyber Duotona » Sun May 14, 2023 1:51 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Cyber Duotona wrote:left being labelled "cares about human rights" tells you exactly the political alignment of the person who made it.

also, centrists don't oppose change. in reality, centrists typically don't really care about change or tradition, as long as they personally aren't affected negatively by it.

Selfishness, then.

no, what if it harms their family? the city they live in? that's still gonna affect them. not getting angry for other people is not selfishness, it's apathy.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Sun May 14, 2023 1:51 pm

Rary wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist

Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

Banning HRT, gerrymandering, pardoning white supremacists, forwarding rhetoric that causes hate and violence, calling out shooting victims on their "legal" status, calling for legalization of lynchings, asking a trans woman what genitals she has, cutting social security and food stamps, opposing workers' rights, criminalizing drag, curtailing abortion, and feeding lies to people like you.

It has been their plan for centuries. Stop. Being. A. Complicit. Liar.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun May 14, 2023 1:52 pm

Rary wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:As has been explained countless times, they are absolutely in the process of doing so. Firing the ovens ain't the only way to go about it.

Just because you don’t like what they’re doing doesn’t mean they are genocidal.

No fucking shit, sherlock. Do you honestly think I would be so frivolous as to think that? I'm calling it genocidal because they're doing most of the shit outlined in the UN genocide convention. Fucking obviously, or at least it would be if you actually bothered to look at anything in a good faith manner instead of thinking I am throwing a hissy fit for the hell of it.
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Postby Rary » Sun May 14, 2023 1:53 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Rary wrote:Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

Banning HRT, gerrymandering, pardoning white supremacists, forwarding rhetoric that causes hate and violence, calling out shooting victims on their "legal" status, calling for legalization of lynchings, asking a trans woman what genitals she has, cutting social security and food stamps, opposing workers' rights, criminalizing drag, curtailing abortion, and feeding lies to people like you.

It has been their plan for centuries. Stop. Being. A. Complicit. Liar.

None of these are genocidal. I believe you’re the one being lied to.

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