The 2023 USA Migrant Crisis.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

The 2023 USA Migrant Crisis.

Links provided on the OP introduction post:
Fox News Bill Melugin s Migrant Reports:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-t ... y-means-us

https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA
Hours until tittle 42 border policy expires.

BIDEN: BORDER "GOING TO BE CHAOTIC FOR AWHILE." The countdown clock ticking as the Title 42 border policy expires within hours... Stunning drone footage shows masses of people gathering, waiting to cross:

https://news.yahoo.com/border-crisis-ne ... 20801.html

EXCLUSIVE: Video Shows Migrants Released by Biden Admin Camping on El Paso Streets

According to many different sources, there are tens of thousands or more migrants waiting on the US Mexican Border to flood the USA.

There are also tens of thousands of migrants in EL Paso Texas and other cities camping out on the streets discuss?

EXCLUSIVE: Video Shows Migrants Released by Biden Admin Camping on El Paso Streets.https://www.breitbart.com/border/2023/0 ... o-streets/

Government and private shelters are overwhelmed and filled to capacities, discuss catch and release?

Mexican American, Texas Democrat Rep. Henry Cuellar warns 150,000 migrants already planning to cross border, urges Biden to 'send them back. Cuellar said the 'powerful image' of migrants flooding the border will only encourage more people to come illegally once Title 42 expires, Friday

Mexican American,Texas Democrat Rep Henry Cuellar.
Enrique Roberto Cuellar - Texas 28th congressional district.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/democrat- ... -send-back

Vote on my regional Poll if you want too, 14 days Poll ends Thursday May 25 2023. Here is the Poll: https://www.nationstates.net/region=gre ... lid_200485

01: Legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, as passed by the House and Senate and signed into laws by the President, and illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is this easy to do and understand.

02: Apply in your nations of origin, meet the requirements all nations have, pass the physical exams all nations have, and wait your turn in your nations of origin, for x numbers of years if necessary and immigrate legally the right way.

03: The USA should return to the Trump Remain Mexico Policy, while their asylum claims are being considered and decided.

04: Asylum should only be for persons living under dictatorship nations and persons being politically persecuted, not for economic migrants.

05: The USA should not create a pathway to citizenship for illegal migrants, that is enabling and encouraging illegal immigration and calling it legal immigration.

06: The US Armed Forces should help the border patrol agents secure the borders in all their immigration and drug related enforcement duties not just paperwork, like help them apprehend illegal migrants.
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07: Let all migrants in, we are a nation of immigrants from all over the world. Asylum should be for persons living under dictatorship nations, persons being politically persecuted, and economic migrants, open our Borders.

08: The USA should create a pathway to citizenship for all migrants living in the USA and those trying to cross the border.

09: The US Armed Forces should not help the border patrol agents apprehend illegal migrants.

10: The US Armed Forces should go into Mexico against the Mexican Cartels, the Mexican Cartels are smuggling migrant, fentanyl and other drugs.

Post in vote poll options by the numbers as shown, vote, post and discuss them, and I will count them in from time to time.

11: The US Armed Forces should not go into Mexico against the Mexican Cartels.

12: BREAKING: A federal court judge in Florida has BLOCKED the Biden administration from releasing migrants from Border Patrol custody without court notices under a memo signed this week. The block is in effect tonight and will last for 2 weeks. I support Blocking it.

13: BREAKING: A federal court judge in Florida has BLOCKED the Biden administration from releasing migrants from Border Patrol custody without court notices under a memo signed this week. The block is in effect tonight and will last for 2 weeks. I support appealing it.

14: Yes or No: The USA should set a limit of x numbers of legal immigrants per year, discuss how many per year? Like 100 thousand, hundred thousands, 1 million, 2 millions, 3 millions or how many per year? I say 100,000 per year.

15: Yes or No: The USA should set a limit of x numbers of asylum claims per year, discuss how many per year? I say it should be combined with poll option 11.
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16: Yes US Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas should be impeached out of office, for not doing his job securing the borders from illegal migrants, discuss? I agree, but I think no matter who replaces him will continue to same bad immigration policies.

17: No US Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas should not be impeached out of office, he is doing a good job and doing everything he can, discuss how he is doing a good job and everything he can?

18: Yes Biden should be impeached out of office, for the US Migrant Crisis, discuss? I say, while I think he should be impeached for it, I think that is a bad political idea.

19: Post and vote your own poll options not on the poll options, and call it your Poll option 19 for easy reference.

I encourage all my fellow OPs to start numbering the Poll options like I do as a point of easy reference for post discussions and my bad eyesight, I have only seen one other OP number their Poll options so far.

Links Provided:

Mexican American,Texas Democrat Rep Henry Cuellar.
Enrique Roberto Cuellar - Texas 28th congressional district.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/democrat- ... -send-back

Fox News Bill Melugin migrant reports:
https://news.yahoo.com/border-crisis-ne ... 20801.html

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

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[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Ultimately, the migrant crisis is a reflection of the contradiction between the liberal principle that all human beings are free and equal in dignity and rights and the unfortunate reality that the amount of freedom, dignity, and rights that people have are in fact very dependent on which country they're living in.

Until that fundamental problem is resolved, neither the pro-immigration solution nor the anti-immigration solution to the frequent border crises in North America and Europe can be truly successful in the long run.

[Jellian Federation]

We are a nation of immigrants.
It’s such a shame Biden is going this route.

[San Lumen]

We are a nation of immigrants.
It’s such a shame Biden is going this route.

We simply can’t take in everyone. There isn’t the space to house them in many places. If you want to come here you should follow the rules like everyone else. Should the process be streamlined? Yes but no one should get to jump in line.

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There's no fucking crisis, not for America. If every person currently crossing the border or trying to cross it was let in and they settled evenly in every American county relative to per capita population, you wouldn't even notice.

America, though to a much lesser extent than countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Russia, is having the same phenomenon of a declining birth rate coupled with an increasingly large population of senior citizens. It's getting top heavy and an influx of young workers would be to America's benefit.

What crisis there is is one of human rights. There's a crisis of ICE, a human trafficking organization packed to the brim with rapists. There's a crisis of concentration camps. There's a crisis of right-wing propaganda.

Also, how about adding "abolish borders" to that poll? The whole notion of being born within a tiny sliver of Earth enclosed by imaginary lines and the rest of the planet being off limits to you without the permission of warlords (meaning the state) is ridiculous.

[Urkennalaid]

We are a nation of immigrants.
It’s such a shame Biden is going this route.

We simply can’t take in everyone. There isn’t the space to house them in many places. If you want to come here you should follow the rules like everyone else. Should the process be streamlined? Yes but no one should get to jump in line.

If you think America doesn't have the space to house people you have to be joking. The reason we don't even give space to our own legal citizens is due to capitalism and the way the government refuses to allow those who are poorer off to have affordable housing. We are THE richest country on Earth, if European powers can find a way to give affordable housing then so can we.

[San Lumen]

There's no fucking crisis, not for America. If every person currently crossing the border or trying to cross it was let in and they settled evenly in every American county relative to per capita population, you wouldn't even notice.

America, though to a much lesser extent than countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Russia, is having the same phenomenon of a declining birth rate coupled with an increasingly large population of senior citizens. It's getting top heavy and an influx of young workers would be to America's benefit.

What crisis there is is one of human rights. There's a crisis of ICE, a human trafficking organization packed to the brim with rapists. There's a crisis of concentration camps. There's a crisis of right-wing propaganda.

Also, how about adding "abolish borders" to that poll? The whole notion of being born within a tiny sliver of Earth enclosed by imaginary lines and the rest of the planet being off limits to you without the permission of warlords (meaning the state) is ridiculous.

Ice isn’t doing any of this and if they are you’re exaggerating particularly about the part involving rapists and racists.

No one said anything is off limits but a country is sovereign and you don’t get to just enter their territory because you feel like it. Should we abolish passports too and vetting of refugees?

[Incelastan]

With our declining tax base, we can't really afford to be keeping a lot of people out. We might be one of the few countries not to suffer the same demographic time bomb as the rest of the West.

[San Lumen]

With our declining tax base, we can't really afford to be keeping a lot of people out. We might be one of the few countries not to suffer the same demographic time bomb as the rest of the West.

What is this demographic time bomb you speak of? If its declining population why is that a bad thing?

[Incelastan]

With our declining tax base, we can't really afford to be keeping a lot of people out. We might be one of the few countries not to suffer the same demographic time bomb as the rest of the West.

What is this demographic time bomb you speak of? If its declining population why is that a bad thing?

Because of our aging population, we have a declining number of working taxpayers who can continue to pay FICA taxes among other taxes to pay the costs of government, including entitlements. A lot of people don't realize that current Social Security payments are derived from current FICA revenue.

[San Lumen]

What is this demographic time bomb you speak of? If its declining population why is that a bad thing?

Because of our aging population, we have a declining number of working taxpayers who can continue to pay FICA taxes among other taxes to pay the costs of government, including entitlements. A lot of people don't realize that current Social Security payments are derived from current FICA revenue.

The planet is overpopulated therefore I don't care. Humans are slowly killing this planet we could use a few less people.

[Arval Va]

Because of our aging population, we have a declining number of working taxpayers who can continue to pay FICA taxes among other taxes to pay the costs of government, including entitlements. A lot of people don't realize that current Social Security payments are derived from current FICA revenue.

The planet is overpopulated therefore I don't care. Humans are slowly killing this planet we could use a few less people.

Pretty much all of the planet's population growth is in Africa. Europe being emptier won't help them. Meanwhile, the Japanese govenrment is panicking because 1/4th of their population is elderly.

[San Lumen]

The planet is overpopulated therefore I don't care. Humans are slowly killing this planet we could use a few less people.

Pretty much all of the planet's population growth is in Africa. Europe being emptier won't help them. Meanwhile, the Japanese govenrment is panicking because 1/4th of their population is elderly.

So the population declines big deal. Less housing needed and pollution goes down.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because of our aging population, we have a declining number of working taxpayers who can continue to pay FICA taxes among other taxes to pay the costs of government, including entitlements. A lot of people don't realize that current Social Security payments are derived from current FICA revenue.

The planet is overpopulated therefore I don't care. Humans are slowly killing this planet we could use a few less people.

If you're jumping on this train then it's not just a few less people, it's a LOT less people. Our resource overshoot date is July 29th, to achieve true sustainability you'd probably have to cut the global population by more than 50% and entirely dismantle capitalism and profit motives.

[Kernen]

Pretty much all of the planet's population growth is in Africa. Europe being emptier won't help them. Meanwhile, the Japanese govenrment is panicking because 1/4th of their population is elderly.

So the population declines big deal. Less housing needed and pollution goes down.

A declining population ensures the aged of a nation lack a safety net funded sufficiently by the young working age people to survive without returning to a workforce. Generally as incompetent workers. This is a genuine economic problem.

Which is not to say that the solution is to have more babies, of course. But it is to say that the issue cannot be handwaved away.

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I am hugely amused by the idea of invading Mexico to fight the cartels. We could cut them off at the knees by legalizing drug use through state apparatus, giving people the chance to choose for themselves. Instead we should disregard Mexican sovereignty and put their people at risk so we can continue denying our own people the choice of what to consume. It's just a bonkers dichotomy.

[Thermodolia]

Because of our aging population, we have a declining number of working taxpayers who can continue to pay FICA taxes among other taxes to pay the costs of government, including entitlements. A lot of people don't realize that current Social Security payments are derived from current FICA revenue.

The planet is overpopulated therefore I don't care. Humans are slowly killing this planet we could use a few less people.

Daily reminder that overpopulation is a racist myth that has its roots in white supremacy

[Vassenor]

The existence of a migrant “crisis” is the perfect example of “they want you fighting a culture war so you’re too busy to fight a class war”.

[Jellian Federation]

I think that things like vetting and citizenship tests and integration help centers would be worth it if we could turn most illegal immigration into legal immigration.
Down with the quotas!

[Bombadil]

Are millions of migrant rapists and criminals running amok in the US now?

“No pueden entrar [you can’t come in],” a Texas national guard soldier shouted across as he adjusted a coil of the concertina razor wire marking the line between the waiting people and America. At first his action prompted some to believe they would be let in, but then they all listened and sat back down.

When the clock struck 10pm local time, midnight on the US east coast, the exact moment Title 42 expired, the atmosphere at the gate in the tall border barrier remained tensely silent.

Only sporadically, when small vans arrived at the gate from the US side to pick up migrants who had been allowed through and take them elsewhere for processing, would migrants clap and cheer for a few seconds.

But as the night progressed, the cold did too. Temperatures dropped enough for those waiting at the gate to want a second layer of clothing. The most readily available were the sweaters, jackets and blankets in the two dumpsters where migrants had discarded all of their belongings earlier in the evening.

Some grabbed the items but shook them repeatedly to get rid of the thick layer of dust and debris covering them before putting them on.

“They’re not letting us in, I don’t know why,” said Oscar Adrián Izaguirre Brito, 20, a mechanic from Caracas, Venezuela.

[Major-Tom]

I wish I knew how to fix this problem, but it's infuriating seeing that the prevailing options in Washington are either "send them all back" or "how dare you say we don't have the resources to let everyone in." It's not a one-or-the-other proposition.

Ideally, Congress could compromise and work out some sort of administrative scheme where those at the border who want to work and who want to become citizens can remain in the US and work for several years before becoming naturalized. I suspect that many would take that option, and it's not a novel idea historically. But sending everyone back or moving migrants around the country on busses, shuttling them from hotel to hotel - it all accomplishes nothing.

Because of our aging population, we have a declining number of working taxpayers who can continue to pay FICA taxes among other taxes to pay the costs of government, including entitlements. A lot of people don't realize that current Social Security payments are derived from current FICA revenue.

The planet is overpopulated therefore I don't care. Humans are slowly killing this planet we could use a few less people.

Ignoring the obvious flaws with this theory, even if this were true, how exactly does overpopulation have anything to do with this crisis? The world's population in its entirety is what people purport to be causing all these long-term issues; not the population within a specific country.

[Melrovia]

Let's just take Mexico and push it somewhere else!

[Bombadil]

That FOX-generated migrant crisis continues to escalate..

Crossings at the US border with Mexico have dropped 50% after Title 42 restrictions ended at the end of Thursday and the Biden White House implemented an arguably tougher immigration policy, American homeland security secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said on Sunday.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden on Sunday told White House pool reporters that the border situation immediately after Title 42’s elimination was “much better than you all expected”. The president said he did not plan to visit the border “in the near term” because to do so at this stage “would just be disruptive”.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I wish I knew how to fix this problem, but it's infuriating seeing that the prevailing options in Washington are either "send them all back" or "how dare you say we don't have the resources to let everyone in." It's not a one-or-the-other proposition.

Ideally, Congress could compromise and work out some sort of administrative scheme where those at the border who want to work and who want to become citizens can remain in the US and work for several years before becoming naturalized. I suspect that many would take that option, and it's not a novel idea historically. But sending everyone back or moving migrants around the country on busses, shuttling them from hotel to hotel - it all accomplishes nothing.

The planet is overpopulated therefore I don't care. Humans are slowly killing this planet we could use a few less people.

Ignoring the obvious flaws with this theory, even if this were true, how exactly does overpopulation have anything to do with this crisis? The world's population in its entirety is what people purport to be causing all these long-term issues; not the population within a specific country.

Ted Kennedy and John McCain had a bill similar to what you just said.

[Torisakia]

You say "Migrant Crisis". I say "Second Mexican-American War". We are not the same.

But seriously, lets say "fuck the borders" and just let people come and go as they please. All this land to travel and you can't do it unless you fit some government's idea of a "good person". What a shitload of fuck.