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Should we adopt mail-in voting?

Yes, with mail-in voting being the main method.
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Yes, as a choice side to voting in polling stations.
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Meh. I'm neutral on mail-in voting/I missed the part where mail-in voting is my problem.
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No, voting physically is good enough.
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No, democracy is dumb.
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Should we adopt Mail-in voting?

Postby Washington-Columbia » Sun May 07, 2023 12:25 pm

So, Mail in voting. A huge topic, especially during election years If your registered and have access to a postal service, you get sent a ballot. Sign on what you want to vote for and mail it back. Pretty simple. This practice has been set up in an almost all mail in voting practice in 7 US states, with Vermont adopting it in general elections and DC might adopt it in the future, though 4 states has restricted mail-in voting. Outside the United States, Germany, Canada, Poland, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and Austria had adopted mail-in voting on demand with many more adopting it in some form.

Mail-in voting has several advantages against in-person voting. Advantages, for example simpler, more convenient voting, waiting less time to vote for a candidate, helping with increases in voting turnout, and in Colorado where Mail-In voting was introduced, deters more extremists, participation, and an survey of 1,500 Coloradoans, most reported that they were satisfied with the voting practice and it showed that Mail-In voting in Colorado actually saved money. On the other hand, ballots could be discarded or damaged before they can be counted intentionally, less accessible to communities without mailboxes, complications with deadlines are there, and it can be confusing, for example assuming if your vote will be counted, or if you might request it.

So, do you think that we should adopt mail-in voting? Personally, yes, I think we should adopt mail in voting. Voting should be free and fair, and should be convenient to the voter, with little pressure on them, and should be a quick ballot in and go. Some of the benefits of mail-in voting could be in dire need (depends on location) and could help to yield more free and fair elections.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Sun May 07, 2023 12:26 pm

And e-voting.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 07, 2023 12:28 pm

In general, yes. I do think that there should be locations for in person voting for say people who are homeless or for whatever reason do not have a mailbox. Mail in voting has been easy, means I can actually continue to look up candidates to make sure that what I have written down is correct, ensures I understand the ballot questions correctly. It means that someone who is disabled or have other medical needs can vote from home, something that is far easier for them. The biggest issue with vote by mail is that it is dependent on a functioning mail service, something that can be interrupted, as we saw in 2020 in the US.
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Postby Pangurstan » Sun May 07, 2023 12:34 pm

My state has had it for a while and it's been working fine.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Sun May 07, 2023 12:36 pm

Of course, mail voting won't fix our problems.
However, it'll help, and should be added in addition to things that'll fix problems.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun May 07, 2023 12:39 pm

I've only done mail-in voting.

Personally I like it better than the thought of physically going to somewhere to do it. Also have more time to ruminate over my choices than the pressure of being in a line.
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Postby Countesia » Sun May 07, 2023 12:44 pm

Forget election fraud, i've lost too many parcels in transit to trust the postal service lmao

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Postby Luziyca » Sun May 07, 2023 1:20 pm

I don't think postal voting should be the only option for voting: I personally prefer going to the polling station on election day and voting with a pencil than having my ballots mailed to me and risk losing it in transit and not get counted: plus, given I live in a civilized country, I only have had to wait no more than 10 or 15 minutes before casting my vote in all the elections I have voted in.

However, there are people who can benefit from postal voting, such as disabled people who are unable to access their polling stations for whatever reason, and I do think having options as to how people can vote will help increase turnout because if you don't want to go to a crowded polling station on election day (or advanced polling days), but still want to have your say, being able to mail in your ballot is a good option.
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Postby Terminus Station » Sun May 07, 2023 1:22 pm

i vote by mail all the time
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Postby Juansonia » Sun May 07, 2023 1:30 pm

I am not sure that mail-in would be necessary if election day was a work holiday. The main reason for the low turnout is that people need to work and can't afford to take a break to exercise their civic duty.

Mandatory turnout (voting is voluntary, but you have to wait in line anyways) is another good idea, which arguably would be more extreme.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun May 07, 2023 3:18 pm

I like the mandatory turnout idea
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 07, 2023 4:07 pm

Juansonia wrote:I am not sure that mail-in would be necessary if election day was a work holiday. The main reason for the low turnout is that people need to work and can't afford to take a break to exercise their civic duty.

Mandatory turnout (voting is voluntary, but you have to wait in line anyways) is another good idea, which arguably would be more extreme.

I would assume there would be leniency for those who are disabled/unable to get to the voting booth due to medical reasons? Like let's say someone goes into labor on election day? Or they get hit by a car. Or don't have access to public transportation, or simply are old and cannot get there easily.
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Postby Vrbo » Sun May 07, 2023 4:59 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Juansonia wrote:I am not sure that mail-in would be necessary if election day was a work holiday. The main reason for the low turnout is that people need to work and can't afford to take a break to exercise their civic duty.

Mandatory turnout (voting is voluntary, but you have to wait in line anyways) is another good idea, which arguably would be more extreme.

I would assume there would be leniency for those who are disabled/unable to get to the voting booth due to medical reasons? Like let's say someone goes into labor on election day? Or they get hit by a car. Or don't have access to public transportation, or simply are old and cannot get there easily.

An example to give in Australia, those who are exempt are Australians that are abroad, ill, religiously opposed, in the labor force, homeless, or not registered. There's a couple of countries that have compulsory voting but also have different exemptions. Peru also has these exemptions but does have exemptions for those over 70 according to the constitution, while Australia does not have any for elderly.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 07, 2023 5:03 pm

Yep. It's just flatly better in pretty much every way.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun May 07, 2023 5:17 pm

Washington-Columbia wrote:Outside the United States, Germany, Canada, Poland, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and Austria had adopted mail-in voting on demand with many more adopting it in some form.

I can't speak for any of the other places you mention (except for the USA, due to the disproportionate attention drawn to election admin there), but postal voting is not the default in the UK. It is true that you can apply for one for any reason - so long as you send the form three or more weeks before the election happens - but it is assumed that you will be voting at your assigned polling station/place unless you tell the council otherwise.
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Postby Torisakia » Sun May 07, 2023 5:31 pm

Should be allowed as an alternate method of voting. Sure there might be some fraud but ultimately would be a good option, especially for those who may not be able to get out on election days. It shouldn't be the main method though.

And I'm vehemently against mandatory turnout though. I thought election were supposed to be "free"? What's free about forcing someone to vote against their will? Seems like it would just increase voter intimidation.
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Postby Washington-Columbia » Sun May 07, 2023 8:17 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Juansonia wrote:I am not sure that mail-in would be necessary if election day was a work holiday. The main reason for the low turnout is that people need to work and can't afford to take a break to exercise their civic duty.

Mandatory turnout (voting is voluntary, but you have to wait in line anyways) is another good idea, which arguably would be more extreme.

I would assume there would be leniency for those who are disabled/unable to get to the voting booth due to medical reasons? Like let's say someone goes into labor on election day? Or they get hit by a car. Or don't have access to public transportation, or simply are old and cannot get there easily.


Or if they aren't willing to wait long lines, or if they aren't willing to stay in the sun. (other countries have election days where it is getting or is in high temperatures.)
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 07, 2023 11:18 pm

Been using it for awhile. It’s good.

As to OMG fraud!

I once got two ballots; not sure what I did. Destroyed one and voted the other. Later I checked online and it reported one was used and the other wasn’t.

When trump was doing his fraud bullshit over mail ballots, Oregon and Colorado chimed in and said they have used it for a couple decades. About 30+ million ballots. They did find fraud. A grand total of 22.
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Postby Washington-Columbia » Mon May 08, 2023 10:33 pm

Torisakia wrote:And I'm vehemently against mandatory turnout though. I thought election were supposed to be "free"? What's free about forcing someone to vote against their will? Seems like it would just increase voter intimidation.


I agree with you. It's not free if I have to vote. What if I can't vote? What if I'm not willing? What if the two candidates would do lots of harm to the country and a lot of the people?
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Postby Jellian Federation » Mon May 08, 2023 10:37 pm

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Postby Delvian States » Mon May 08, 2023 11:04 pm

I voted by mail in most elections and it really has been so convenient. First time was in 2008. It really gave me time and leisure to think and reflect on my choices, which especially mattered with the down ballot races and propositions.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Mon May 08, 2023 11:11 pm

If the USPS fixed itself and stopped having as many problems (allowing the keys to the blue mailboxes to get stolen so that random people can access them being a major thing right now) then I would have no issue with mail-in voting. Not to mention here in Louisiana, for a couple of years, they found mail just dumped by a roadside out of trucks because the employee didn't want to finish their route, that also causes people to not trust the ability of the United States Postal Service.

If those issues can be fixed, then I would trust mail-in voting more. But, for now I do early voting and research everything months in advance.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon May 08, 2023 11:15 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:If the USPS fixed itself and stopped having as many problems (allowing the keys to the blue mailboxes to get stolen so that random people can access them being a major thing right now) then I would have no issue with mail-in voting. Not to mention here in Louisiana, for a couple of years, they found mail just dumped by a roadside out of trucks because the employee didn't want to finish their route, that also causes people to not trust the ability of the United States Postal Service.

If those issues can be fixed, then I would trust mail-in voting more. But, for now I do early voting and research everything months in advance.


You got proof of all those claims?

USPS for what is does it’s job. Recent problems have been all the “free market” shit being spewed.

I am curious why they haven’t tossed that Trumpest yet.

I have used the mail in for years. No issues.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Mon May 08, 2023 11:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:If the USPS fixed itself and stopped having as many problems (allowing the keys to the blue mailboxes to get stolen so that random people can access them being a major thing right now) then I would have no issue with mail-in voting. Not to mention here in Louisiana, for a couple of years, they found mail just dumped by a roadside out of trucks because the employee didn't want to finish their route, that also causes people to not trust the ability of the United States Postal Service.

If those issues can be fixed, then I would trust mail-in voting more. But, for now I do early voting and research everything months in advance.


You got proof of all those claims?

USPS for what is does it’s job. Recent problems have been all the “free market” shit being spewed.

I am curious why they haven’t tossed that Trumpest yet.

I have used the mail in for years. No issues.


They've literally put bags or taped up all of the Blue Mailboxes (the ones that are outside of the post office buildings). News Agencies here have reported (as close as '21) of mail being dumped instead of being delivered.

Those are just from the first page. There are news stories for it dating back 6 or 7 years.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 09, 2023 12:24 am

Shazbotdom wrote:
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You got proof of all those claims?

USPS for what is does it’s job. Recent problems have been all the “free market” shit being spewed.

I am curious why they haven’t tossed that Trumpest yet.

I have used the mail in for years. No issues.


They've literally put bags or taped up all of the Blue Mailboxes (the ones that are outside of the post office buildings). News Agencies here have reported (as close as '21) of mail being dumped instead of being delivered.

Those are just from the first page. There are news stories for it dating back 6 or 7 years.


Interesting. Sounds like it needs a cleanup your way. The first story almost read like a political stunt as voting was coming up. The second one? Yea that dimple head deserves to be punished. Saw he pled guilty. Didn’t find a story about his punishment.

USPS my way? The worst they do is sometimes deliver mail and another house. 1223 vs 1233.
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