Is Compulsory Military Service Fascism?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Hello nationstates family. I just came back from my compulsory military service (3000$). I feel robbed and humiliated. I used a G3 infantry rifle by force, it was very dirty everywhere and I got pneumonia, people were very rude. they don't give medicine, water and food for the sake of so called rules. Military service is a blow to the idea of ​​patriotism. I always sang national anthems (even though I didn't want to). Conscription should be abolished in Turkey and in the world because I don't want to do something I don't want. States that practice conscription are fascist.

[-Astoria-]

Hello nation-states family. I just came back from my compulsory military service (3000$). I feel robbed and humiliated.

You have to pay for national service?

States that practice conscription are fascist.

An appeal to patriotism, militarism and/or nationalism? Probably.

Fascist? I'm not so sure.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Very obviously not.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Hello nation-states family. I just came back from my compulsory military service (3000$). I feel robbed and humiliated.

You have to pay for national service?

States that practice conscription are fascist.

An appeal to patriotism, militarism and/or nationalism? Probably.

Fascist? I'm not so sure.

Yes, unfortunately, it is the first time I have been so cold from Turkey. Our concepts of patriotism are not the same as yours because there is no proper English word for it. I'm talking about patriotism in the form of civic nationalism.

Very obviously not.

I'm sure there are people in this forum who will defend this fascist stance of the Republic of Turkey just to spite me. If you like the compulsory military service, come this much and do it for me. 1 month wasted.

[Cuba 2022 RP]

I am strongly anti-conscription as a pacifist myself, so yes I believe it is wrong.

Not quite fascism, but authoritarian and immoral.

[-Astoria-]

Our concepts of patriotism are not the same as yours because there is no proper English word for it. I'm talking about patriotism in the form of civic nationalism.

I'm afraid I don't follow: "as yours"? I define it as a love for one's nation; how would you define it?

[Tangatarehua]

No and I strongly recommend you look up the definition of fascism. Saying "compulsory military service is fascism" makes about as much sense as saying "compulsory military service is orange".

Now if the thread is about whether such a system is justified, then I'm happy to discuss that - I err toward it not being a good idea in the majority of circumstances.

But from memory it's a subject that bears no mention in the fascist manifesto and is something employed by both fascist and non-fascist regimes.

[Greater Rostoria]

No, compulsory military service is not Fascism. Is it wrong? Thats arguable and depends from person to person.

Personally, I do believe compulsory military service is a noble and patriotic duty of citizens. But I do understand the concerns of those who think its wrong. But its not fascism, not at all.

[Free Pyongyang]

It's not Fascist, even if it is authoritarian.

[Sky Reavers]

It's not something unique to fascism and it's not an invention of fascism. Democratic, communist and other countries also used and use it. Still this fact doesn't make it any better. It's still a bad thing and should go.

[Kerwa]

Under the rule of “everything I don’t like is fascism” - often applied around here - it most certainly is fascism. So yes.

Conscription is wrong in any case. And having to pay for it is insane. I hope you got to keep the gun at least.

[Flying-Penguins]

Hello nationstates family. I just came back from my compulsory military service (3000$). I feel robbed and humiliated. I used a G3 infantry rifle by force, it was very dirty everywhere and I got pneumonia, people were very rude. they don't give medicine, water and food for the sake of so called rules. Military service is a blow to the idea of ​​patriotism. I always sang national anthems (even though I didn't want to). Conscription should be abolished in Turkey and in the world because I don't want to do something I don't want. States that practice conscription are fascist.

Wait, you had to PAY for conscription services? That must have been an awful experience, given how rude officers may be in some countries.

IMO, conscription's drawbacks outweigh its benefits but some nations have no choice. Let's say the conscripts are divided into three groups: Patriot, Neutral and Rebellious. Conscription may make some of the Patriots neutral as they realise their country isn't as good as they thought, the Neutrals probably won't enjoy it much and it grows the Rebellious' hatred of the government. Conscription should only be installed in countries with small populations or with special needs for defense. Turkey has one of the largest populations and resources and it's honestly unnecessary. If the Turkish government paid more efforts and was nicer in foreign affairs they wouldn't have needed to do all of this to attempt to envelop the chaos they created.

But fascist? Probably not. But refusal of access to medicine, water and food? That seems to be a human rights violation, even for conscription. I genuinely wish you good luck and take care.

[Vadterland]

Just because you don't agree with something the government wants you to do, or forces upon you, does not make that thing fascist. For example, I hate taxes but I'm not going to say the United States is fascist because I need to pay them. Even if there is a certain minority of my fellow countrymen that certainly think so.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

No, compulsory military service is not Fascism. Is it wrong? Thats arguable and depends from person to person.

Personally, I do believe compulsory military service is a noble and patriotic duty of citizens. But I do understand the concerns of those who think its wrong. But its not fascism, not at all.

killing people should never be glorified. Being a doctor and a teacher is a sacred duty, not a military service. I'm ashamed to be in the same world as you and people like you

Under the rule of “everything I don’t like is fascism” - often applied around here - it most certainly is fascism. So yes.

Conscription is wrong in any case. And having to pay for it is insane. I hope you got to keep the gun at least.

I want to orgasm sinfully instead of holding a gun. If Greek and Armenian nationalists come, I will flee this country. I don't want to see warring creatures, I want to see humanists unite.

[Inner Albania]

While I think compulsory military service is pretty authoritaian and immoral, it certainly doesn't fall in the line of fascism.

[United Northen States Canada]

I don't think it's fascism or Authoritarian, but I understand people might not want to serve and that's their own right to deny joining the army.In my home country you are obligated to show up at any military site once you turn 18 years(if you are men if not you don't need to),if you don't not show up, they have the right to deny public services and even prohibit leaving country ,till you show up, but most of us won't be active members of the army if we tell them we do not want to.
Those of us who wish to not serve the army joins the reserve force and will only be summoned if the country is threatened or if the main force lacks members.

[Old Tyrannia]

Contrary to popular usage, the word "fascism" doesn't simply mean "the government making me do something that I don't want to do." Fascism is characterised by totalitarianism, palingenetic ultranationalism, militarism, social Darwinism, and Third Position economics; whilst compulsory military service is certainly something one would expect to see in a fascist society given those things, its presence is not, in and of itself, a marker of fascism. In fact, some of the most highly democratic and liberal societies in the world have compulsory military service, such as Sweden, Finland and Switzerland.

As for whether national service is justified or not, membership in a community should always be a reciprocal relationship with both benefits for individuals and responsibilities to the community as a whole. The nation is, in general, the largest community a person is likely to be part of that has a significant impact on their life. The responsibilities of national citizenship generally extend no further than paying taxes and respecting the law, but I strongly believe that contributing to the collective defence of the community is a reasonable obligation for the state to place on its citizens. To enjoy the benefits of membership in a community without contributing to the collective interest is parasitic and immoral. The argument for conscription when there is no active threat to the community is less watertight, but I would favour the reintroduction of national service here in the UK. There is a significant benefit to the nation in having a large portion of the general population acquire some basic military training, and that aside, it's a good opportunity for young people to learn new skills and interact with other citizens from different backgrounds whom they might never get the chance to in ordinary life. None of the older people I know who actually experienced national service when it was still in existence here recall it as anything but a highly rewarding experience. There should be some alternative form of community service made available for those who, for practical reasons or due to ethical objections, cannot serve in the military, however.

[-Pashtunistan]

>Switzerland has Conscription
>Finland has conscription
>I was conscripted
>I didn't like it

Conclusion? Conscription is fascism

I always sang national anthems (even though I didn't want to).

Me being forced to sing a song=Fascism

[The Astral Mandate]

>Switzerland has Conscription
>Finland has conscription
>I was conscripted
>I didn't like it

Conclusion? Conscription is fascism

I always sang national anthems (even though I didn't want to).

Me being forced to sing a song=Fascism

If this isn't sarcasm I will scream

[-Pashtunistan]

I want to orgasm sinfully instead of holding a gun. If Greek and Armenian nationalists come, I will flee this country. I don't want to see warring creatures, I want to see humanists unite.

And how are you gonna 'unite the humanists' hmm? By giving up your country the moment a guy with a gun shows up? That is simply allowing ultranationalists and militarists more land, nay, It is borderline handing them the land.

Political power is not in the hands of people who want to 'see humanists unite' and 'orgasm sinfully'. It is in the hands of those with money and those with guns, and ultimately, those are the men who make the rules.

[-Pashtunistan]

>Switzerland has Conscription
>Finland has conscription
>I was conscripted
>I didn't like it

Conclusion? Conscription is fascismMe being forced to sing a song=Fascism

If this isn't sarcasm I will scream

it's sarcasm, dumkof. I literally support conscription.

[The Astral Mandate]

If this isn't sarcasm I will scream

it's sarcasm, dumkof. I literally support conscription.

Same here, to an extent. I agree that it's justified in some cases.

[-Pashtunistan]

I'm ashamed to be in the same world as you and people like you

"you disagree with me, You are evil."

Ahhh... The age old cry of the Fascist.

[Hannoura Az-Zengi]

Hello nationstates family. I just came back from my compulsory military service (3000$). I feel robbed and humiliated. I used a G3 infantry rifle by force, it was very dirty everywhere and I got pneumonia, people were very rude. they don't give medicine, water and food for the sake of so called rules. Military service is a blow to the idea of ​​patriotism. I always sang national anthems (even though I didn't want to). Conscription should be abolished in Turkey and in the world because I don't want to do something I don't want. States that practice conscription are fascist.

I have never been conscripted but I'm sure it can be uncomfortable as you are forced to go against your will. While from your experience it may be horrible, i'm not sure it's fascism unless it's to serve the goal of separating or championing a particular ethnicity.
But sometimes if it's a dire need it can be a good thing.

[Picairn]

Conscription is fascism in the same vein as laws and regulations are fascism. A specific state policy does not make a government fascist.