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[El Lazaro]

So NSG, I've been thinking lately about churches such as the Quivers, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Mormons. I personally find them to be almost cultlike in instances, and harmful for the individual and the society. This is due to rampant misogyny, homophobia, and racism within these churches, as well as the doctrine that is embedded into members by the churches, namely that the Church is always right, that certain people are just superior, and that if you think outside their doctrine, you are not as good a person as everyone else, and you will go to hell or an equivalent.

Doesn't sound like much difference from the rest of the Abrahamic cancer (Judaism, Christianity, Islam).

[Farnhamia]

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[El Lazaro]

Y'know, I don't mind Judaism, Islam, and other by-minimum tolerant faiths.

Then we delve into the bullshit: Christians and other Jesus-worshipping religions.

My issue is that they're idiots; they sit on church money, are the main source of homophobia, and are overall unfavorable politically and socially.

Don't even get me started on how they began the Roe v. Wade overturning crisis and so-called "culture wars" (aka Battles between establishing Liberal Democracies that wanna give free lunches to 4th graders, and Neofascist Paleoconservative Despotisms that seek to commit genocide on nonwhite non-heteronormative non-Christian nonmales).

They've subjugated our legislatures, are trying to commit (by UN-definition) genocide on queer youth and are just abysmal in general in terms of politics and granting others dignity and liberty.

I'll add some more data if I find it, but lookup some of this stuff; you'll find that my statements are factual.

[Maricela Gutierrez]

Y'know, I don't mind Judaism, Islam, and other by-minimum tolerant faiths...

...if we look over to a very religion you said was minimum tolerant we can see that they decapitate, hang, murder, throw off the top of buildings etc to them, compared to radical muslims, radical Christians ain’t that bad...

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In the post, Vikanias caricatures Islam as violent and murderous.

[The Acolyte Confederacy]

as a muslim myself, i hate how this happens so very often everywhere.

[New Visayan Islands]

...if we look over to a very religion you said was minimum tolerant we can see that they decapitate, hang, murder, throw off the top of buildings etc to them, compared to radical muslims, radical Christians ain’t that bad...

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In the post, Vikanias caricatures Islam as violent and murderous.

Someone needs to repent. Do take note of the ruling; I have merged this report with an existing Report thread affecting the same General thread.

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as a muslim myself, i hate how this happens so very often everywhere.

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[Luna Amore]

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[Maricela Gutierrez]

fraudulent bible-frauders not bound and compliant to the nicaea consili standards. No suprise when some of the well-known corporate defrauders are mormons (Trevor Milton).
As for the right of existence of this "Church" I don't have the rights to gloss over this on an internet forum but most christians would agree its heresy and should be purged.

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Trolling and invoking violence.

[Saor Alba]

I assume there are enough Mormons in your country for you to complain about them. Well, are they doing illegal things? Were those independent actions or sanctioned by the church?

Mormons used to be illegal in part of the US, and for good reasons too.

Lmao, cope. That’s not the reason Joseph Smith worshippers were illegal, and you know it. Hint: it’s more along the lines of why Aum Shinrikyo was cracked down on.

I feel like these two posts got overlooked but the user "El Lazaro" is claiming that the criminalisation of Mormons (Missouri Executive Order 44) was justified. At face value this might not seem like much but were it not for the Mormons voluntarily surrendering, the Missouri government planned to violently suppress them. 15,000 fled Missouri and there is a documented massacre that some connect to the Order. Regardless of the circumstances, the language used ("lmao, cope" in particular) coupled with the subject matter (gloating over the persecution of a minority group) seems troll-ish. Apologies if I am wrong.

[El Lazaro]

Mormons used to be illegal in part of the US, and for good reasons too.

Lmao, cope. That’s not the reason Joseph Smith worshippers were illegal, and you know it. Hint: it’s more along the lines of why Aum Shinrikyo was cracked down on.

I feel like these two posts got overlooked but the user "El Lazaro" is claiming that the criminalisation of Mormons (Missouri Executive Order 44) was justified. At face value this might not seem like much but were it not for the Mormons voluntarily surrendering, the Missouri government planned to violently suppress them. 15,000 fled Missouri and there is a documented massacre that some connect to the Order. Regardless of the circumstances, the language used ("lmao, cope" in particular) coupled with the subject matter (gloating over the persecution of a minority group) seems troll-ish. Apologies if I am wrong.

The scorn being justified (Mormons massacred and incited wars with many Native American tribes, US settlements, the US government, and emigrants many times both before and after this “surrender”) is not the same as all of the actions being good. It is reasonable to expect that a government would have problems with a cult responsible for terrorism and mass murder at the time they were actively committing said terrorism and mass murder.

That’s why I made the comparison to Aum Shinrikyo, which was declared a terrorist organization and had its leaders executed. While I am strongly against the death penalty and believe some of the subsequent efforts to crack down on its successor violated freedom of speech, the Japanese government clearly had legitimate reasons to pursue some sort of legal action against Aum.

The point being, the existence of a heavy-handed response that was not motivated by ethnic or cultural bigotry, but an assessment of the threat posed at the time, demonstrates year people should not be expected to tolerate them as much as more reasonable and unproblematic religious groups.

[Saor Alba]

The scorn being justified (Mormons massacred and incited wars with many Native American tribes, US settlements, the US government, and emigrants many times both before and after this “surrender”)

Order 44 was issued during the 1838 Mormon War, which was NOT incited by the Mormons but caused by Missouri's non-Mormon population. They opposed the economic strength of Mormons, their successful evangelism, and their origins in abolitionist states. They were hated and persecuted for being a religious minority. I maintain my report and would appreciate if a moderator could opine.

[El Lazaro]

The scorn being justified (Mormons massacred and incited wars with many Native American tribes, US settlements, the US government, and emigrants many times both before and after this “surrender”)

Order 44 was issued during the 1838 Mormon War, which was NOT incited by the Mormons but caused by Missouri's non-Mormon population. They opposed the economic strength of Mormons, their successful evangelism, and their origins in abolitionist states. They were hated and persecuted for being a religious minority. I maintain my report and would appreciate if a moderator could opine.

This is ridiculous nitpicking (there were dozens of such Mormon wars and massacres as well as many states Mormons were driven out of for pursuing violence) and has nothing to do with the point I’m making. If you want to reinterpret my words to say a specific incident I never mentioned was 100% a good thing, then you’re welcome to do so, but you should either keep that to your self or debate it in general instead of shadow boxing on the moderation forum.

[Lysset]

I'm giving this a 24-hour bump as some of the newer reports seem to have been missed (unless none of the mods think it actionable).

[Farnhamia]

fraudulent bible-frauders not bound and compliant to the nicaea consili standards. No suprise when some of the well-known corporate defrauders are mormons (Trevor Milton).
As for the right of existence of this "Church" I don't have the rights to gloss over this on an internet forum but most christians would agree its heresy and should be purged.

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Trolling and invoking violence.

Addressed

The rest is debate and belongs in the thread itself.

[Lysset]

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Trolling and invoking violence.

Addressed

The rest is debate and belongs in the thread itself.

That's fair. Thanks for the look and taking care of the pertinent stuff.

[Heavenly Assault]

Nobody would've said shit if I had called Nazism or Fascism a cancer. Once again, NS mods displaying a clear bias by picking and choosing which supremacist ideologies and their followers to pander to. Ridiculous.

[Sedgistan]

Are you appealing or whinging? If it's a First Appeal, please clearly mark it as such, and it'll be considered by an uninvolved Moderator.

[Heavenly Assault]

Are you appealing or whinging? If it's a First Appeal, please clearly mark it as such, and it'll be considered by an uninvolved Moderator.

We all know what you do with my appeals .

[Roavin]

Are you appealing or whinging? If it's a First Appeal, please clearly mark it as such, and it'll be considered by an uninvolved Moderator.

We all know what you do with my appeals .

Once again, if you have valid complaints of moderator abuse, please file them via the Getting Help page. Moderators cannot edit, delete, or otherwise alter the contents of your GHR, and mod abuse reports are flagged for immediate admin attention. Be sure to include all relevant links to what you are reporting as well as a clear and concise explanation of what the problem is. I must inform you that the administrators have very little patience for frivolous or outright fraudulent reports, and are liable to dismiss incomplete, unspecific, or wildly generalized complaints outright. (IE: "The mods are corrupt!" absent any evidence attached to the report.)

And since we've been here before and you have already been informed of this several times, here's another *** WARNING for spamming Moderation ***. The next time, it'll be more than a warning.

[Juristonia]

Basically doubling down with some window dressing.

Yes, no and other. Like all ideas, religions have their utility and of course those utilities are always contextual. On the other hand, while religion is an expression and expansion of the spirit, in some cases, it signifies a degeneration of the spirit. Religion is always politics and almost always a coping mechanism. Obviously, religions are also not created equally. As a general, Eastern and Pagan religions are more spiritual, whereas Western ones like Abrahamism are far more spiritually bankrupt and degenerate. These are essentially just politics and indicate a degeneration of the collective mind and soul. Esotericism is kind of a half measure against this spiritual degeneration. So, is it really good? Again, yes and no. Paganism, Animism, Shinto, Buddhism and things like that are at the better end of the spectrum, while Judaism, Christianity and Islam are nearly spiritually bankrupt and built solely upon lies, ignorance and belligerence. They have of course contributed to the expansion of consciousness, but ultimately, they are merely a (necessary) contraction to serve expansion. They have outlived their use and should be jettisoned along with their inherent spiritual decay. Abrahamism is a cancer of the soul based on a false God and false laws and this can be observed in the progress of cultures. Pagan and secular Europe, Ancient Egypt, the Native Americas, Japan and India all have far more distinctive and vibrant identities when compared to the Abrahamic demiurge. This is because Abrahamism is merely a death cult meant to imprison humanity.

[Luna Amore]

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