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Zukchiva
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Zukchiva » Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:19 pm

Oh I forgot to say this, but support of course.

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serving as a key member in the development of many colonies,and eventually going on to found the Holy Imperium of Nabban,
May wanna remove that comma
and its forces leading the way in large anti-fascist operations like Operation Drama Llama, an attack targeting dozens of notable fascist regions,
Would replace its with "the ERN's" since it sounds a bit weird saying "Their return as GA would see.. its forces" which is the implied structure when you skip the other two comma things

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Microoceania
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Microoceania » Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:24 pm

I don't see why not

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Aivintis
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Aivintis » Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:29 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:As always an excellent draft Westinor. However, on a first read through this caught my eye:

and their masterful utilization of the Inter-Regional Chat (IRC) forums to promote events and shows, both furthering Europeia’s bustling media scene into a new medium and establishing the IRC as an effective staple for modern communication,

This may fall foul of R2(a) specifically the clause about forums. Might pay to send a Mod flare up or rewrite in such a way that it steers well clear of even thinking about disobeying that bit of legality.

Didn't see any responses to this, so: IRC is a discord server, not a forum, so I imagine the word choice of "forums" is an aesthetic/stylistic choice. So it doesn't refer to the electronic entity of the forums. It does refer to an electronic entity, but the clause itself, as I read it, seems to be referring not to a specific piece of infrastructure but rather an abstract diplomatic institution (indeed, IRC is established by a treaty), akin to referencing communicating through embassies when meaning forum or discord embassy threads/channels. At least, in my opinion. I am not as experienced with the WA or its rules, so my explanation may not actually allay your mentioned concerns. If that is the case, then I would suggest:

and their masterful utilization of the Inter-Regional Chat (IRC) multilateral treaty to promote events and shows, both furthering Europeia's bustling media scene into a new medium and establishing the IRC as an effective model for modern communication,


The only changes are "forums" --> "multilateral treaty", and "staple" --> "model". (I didn't like staple.) I will ping West on discord about this as well.

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Postby Westinor » Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:38 am

Thanks for the comments, have made changes :> As a note Zuk, the "the ERN" bit is carried over from the previous mention of "the ERN" in the sentence, I believe? Unless that's grammatically incorrect.
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Guess and Check » Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:20 pm

Westinor wrote:Thanks for the comments, have made changes :> As a note Zuk, the "the ERN" bit is carried over from the previous mention of "the ERN" in the sentence, I believe? Unless that's grammatically incorrect.

It's probably grammatically right, but for some reason the sentence seemed off and I think that that just may be why.
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Postby Westinor » Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:26 pm

Moving this up to last call as well! Will probably submit in the next week :> though I may take a bit more time with this!
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:08 am

Aivintis wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:As always an excellent draft Westinor. However, on a first read through this caught my eye:

and their masterful utilization of the Inter-Regional Chat (IRC) forums to promote events and shows, both furthering Europeia’s bustling media scene into a new medium and establishing the IRC as an effective staple for modern communication,

This may fall foul of R2(a) specifically the clause about forums. Might pay to send a Mod flare up or rewrite in such a way that it steers well clear of even thinking about disobeying that bit of legality.

Didn't see any responses to this, so: IRC is a discord server, not a forum, so I imagine the word choice of "forums" is an aesthetic/stylistic choice. So it doesn't refer to the electronic entity of the forums. It does refer to an electronic entity, but the clause itself, as I read it, seems to be referring not to a specific piece of infrastructure but rather an abstract diplomatic institution (indeed, IRC is established by a treaty), akin to referencing communicating through embassies when meaning forum or discord embassy threads/channels. At least, in my opinion. I am not as experienced with the WA or its rules, so my explanation may not actually allay your mentioned concerns. If that is the case, then I would suggest:

and their masterful utilization of the Inter-Regional Chat (IRC) multilateral treaty to promote events and shows, both furthering Europeia's bustling media scene into a new medium and establishing the IRC as an effective model for modern communication,


The only changes are "forums" --> "multilateral treaty", and "staple" --> "model". (I didn't like staple.) I will ping West on discord about this as well.

My understanding, which may be flawed, is that any reference to an electronic entity such as forums or Discord is an R2(a) illegality. I have seen proposals dinged for mentioning Discord directly.

Like your workaround though.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 18, 2023 1:33 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Aivintis wrote:Didn't see any responses to this, so: IRC is a discord server, not a forum, so I imagine the word choice of "forums" is an aesthetic/stylistic choice. So it doesn't refer to the electronic entity of the forums. It does refer to an electronic entity, but the clause itself, as I read it, seems to be referring not to a specific piece of infrastructure but rather an abstract diplomatic institution (indeed, IRC is established by a treaty), akin to referencing communicating through embassies when meaning forum or discord embassy threads/channels. At least, in my opinion. I am not as experienced with the WA or its rules, so my explanation may not actually allay your mentioned concerns. If that is the case, then I would suggest:

and their masterful utilization of the Inter-Regional Chat (IRC) multilateral treaty to promote events and shows, both furthering Europeia's bustling media scene into a new medium and establishing the IRC as an effective model for modern communication,


The only changes are "forums" --> "multilateral treaty", and "staple" --> "model". (I didn't like staple.) I will ping West on discord about this as well.

My understanding, which may be flawed, is that any reference to an electronic entity such as forums or Discord is an R2(a) illegality. I have seen proposals dinged for mentioning Discord directly.

Like your workaround though.

I don't think your understanding is flawed BBD, that's my understanding of the rules as well. You can't mention Discord because there's no possible equivalence to it from an IC standpoint.
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Postby Westinor » Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:24 pm

This has been submitted here!
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