American Politics: Indictment of a Former President

[Shrillland]

We've got the go ahead, there won't be any more rolling political threads, but these can still exist as stand alones. It is spring of 2023 in the US, and a former president has been indicted for the first time in our history. This is the thread to discuss that dvelopment as well as American campaigns, political news, and general US politics. Enjoy yourselves, play nice, and always remember days and memes gone by.

Plebiscite Plaza 2023:

Louisiana's first amendment, up for a vote on Saturday, November 18, would allow the state legislature to consider vetoed bills during a regular or special session without having to convene a separate veto session. It would also stipulate that the governor's deadline to act on a bill is based on the legislative session in which the bill is passed or vetoed.

Normally, Oklahoma doesn't make odd-numbered year appearances, but a measure got on the ballot too late for 2022. SQ 820, up for a vote on March 7, would legalise marijuana in Oklahoma. Adults over age 21 could possess, transport, or distribute up to one ounce or marijuana, eight grams of concentrated marijuana, or up to eight grams of concentrated marijuana in infused products such as edibles. People could own up to six mature plants and up to six seedlings, and a process would be set up for expungement or modification of previous marijuana-related crimes. Sales would be taxed at 15%, with most funds going to the Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority's implementation of this measure. Remaining funds would be distributed to the state's general fund(30%), public school grants to encourage student retention, after-school and enrichment, and campaigns against substance abuse(30%), grants to government agencies and non-profits to fund addiction treatment and OD prevention programmes(20%), the state judicial revolving fund(10%), and the city or county where the weed was sold(10%). REJECTED

Question 1, to be voted on on April 4 with the next measure, would amend the constitution to allow the state legislature to define "serious harm" in relation to the conditions that a judge can impose on an accused person if they're released from jail before conviction. At the moment, judges can impose any condition they want to prevent bodily harm to others.

Question 2 would amend the constitution to allow judges to consider an accused person's previous convictions, the probability of them not appearing in court, the need to protect the community from serious harm(as defined by Question 1 if it passes), the need to protect witnesses from harm, and any potential affirmative defences before setting cash bail amounts.

[The Jamesian Republic]

First!

[Juristonia]

First but in style.


Also, tiktok can barely be considered an app and should be shit canned in general.

[Cuba 2022 RP]

Not American but third

[What is the world really]

may crypto crash and burn so completely. Anyways most of the time third parties will win any thing on the state or federal level.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Even if TikTok isn't a security threat it should be banned.

[Washington-Columbia]

For the Poll, I'd say yes, though it should be banned if there are security risks. I don't keep in touch with what is happening, But I do know that there is apparently evidence to suggest security risks. Then again, we might not have Abdul Cisse.

[Floofybit]

RIP numbers

[Narland]

That's a good list. I might have voted for Teddy Roosevelt but out of excitement, not really out of policy. Except for Reagan and Trump, all my presidential votes have been 3rd Party. In 1980 I got to be a Young Republican shadow elector (learned what an Elector actually does and doesn't do). Mr. Anderson was articulate and charming. I agreed with many aspects of his radical republicansim, but came to differing conclusions. I was sorry to hear of his passing. Being young and zealous, my support was for Reagan.

1992, 1996, and 2000 (US Taxpayer Party) -- Phillips. In 1992 I wanted to go with Perot (Reform Party), but when he doubled down on abortion on demand and his wife made it clear they didn't want the support of Pro-Lifers, I went with Howard Phillips. My former fiancée went with Bo Gritz. She got back at me by dragging me to one of his meetings, and wrangling the conversation to whom I voted for.
2004 (Libertarian) -- Badnarik
2008 (American Independent Party) -- Keyes
2012 (Write-In) -- Ron Paul
2016 and 2020 (GOP) -- Trump

Anderson is sometimes called a Rockefeller Republican and I do have a soft spot for them.

Yep. He was one of the last of the Progressive Republicans. I like that he forthright about it. Most of the Progressive Republicans that I met as a kid were very hostile to the resurgence of Paleo-Conservatism in the Party. He was only mildly miffed. He could articulate very well why his beliefs were consistent with radical republicanism. I came to opposite conclusions on many policy issues. I think mainly because of our differences in underlying philosophy of government.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Anderson is sometimes called a Rockefeller Republican and I do have a soft spot for them.

Yep. He was one of the last of the Progressive Republicans. I like that he forthright about it. Most of the Progressive Republicans that I met as a kid were very hostile to the resurgence of Paleo-Conservatism in the Party. He was only mildly miffed. He could articulate very well why his beliefs were consistent with radical republicanism. I came to opposite conclusions on many policy issues. I think mainly because of our differences in underlying philosophy of government.

I do wonder what it would be like if he was president.

[Bombadil]

Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

[Neanderthaland]

Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."

[Narland]

Yep. He was one of the last of the Progressive Republicans. I like that he forthright about it. Most of the Progressive Republicans that I met as a kid were very hostile to the resurgence of Paleo-Conservatism in the Party. He was only mildly miffed. He could articulate very well why his beliefs were consistent with radical republicanism. I came to opposite conclusions on many policy issues. I think mainly because of our differences in underlying philosophy of government.

I do wonder what it would be like if he was president.

I have a hard time knowing where he drew the line in balancing the Federal Power over the States Powers. He was pro-union and anti-corruption. He seemed to be hostile to the military industrial complex, while wanting to supportive of the individual soldier and sailor. He wanted the government to be a lean, mean, and efficient with a decent Federal safety net in case a state or multitude of States failed.

Redo. sorry, I covered from 84 instead of 80 This has been rewritten to cover 80-84
He would have been perceived favorably in the mainstream media compared to Reagan.
This is all speculation, but I think his dedication to Keynesian economics would have further crippled the economy beyond hope. The tax and spend attitude (that we have had a small tase of under Biden -- i.e., the Jimmy Carter economy) would have continued in 1980 Congress unabated. The propensity to believe that we could spend our way out of poverty and into prosperity would probably have continued under his Presidency. 20% prime lending rates, +20% per month inflation, and 30% unemployment would have been certain, and gotten worse. The wholesale nationalization of failed industries would have started without much opposition. I think he would have had the sense at that time to put the brakes on it and seek out people like Friedman, and Sowell, but how soon if at all would be speculative. The economic collapse of Mexico would not have appeared as severe, as the US dollar would be in the same hyperinflationary boat. The Sagebrush Rebellion probably would have turned into a full scale insurrection. (A real insurrection with tanks, planes, and missiles, not an unarmed shaman handing out breath mints). I think he would have been perceived as a good guy in the wrong time in history, and a one term president.

[Cannot think of a name]

Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

So...I think people remember when Fox went to bat on the idea that they were under no obligation to tell the truth mostly because it's a nice cudgel to beat them with, but it had a reasonable foundation.

In essence, if a news organization is 'required' to tell the truth, the recourse for that would be courts (a la the whistleblower in question) which then creates the awkward situation of the state dictating what the truth is to the media which undermines the whole concept of the Fourth Estate. So in principle they can't be held accountable to the truth because the entity being reported on ('the government') can't also be who decides what is and isn't telling the truth. It's immediately corruptible.

But in this case it's defamation, which I think people understand and actual lawyers can expound on if needed rather than my dumb ass. Ironically making this (suing outlets that say bad shit about you) easier was one of Trump's big goals. With Alex Jones taking that massive hit for being a massive tool and the potential for Fox to end up with a massive payout, I wonder what the long term implications of this might end up being.

[Adamede]

Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."

Would even be more funny if it wasnt for the fact that they'll still peddle to that crowd.

[North Jus Intius]

So, is "wokeness" effectively a terrible euphemism for "Cultural Marxism?"

[Cannot think of a name]

Can't quote from the previous thread, but in response to this response to my post about why minor parties bother with the presidency when they know they don't have a snowball's chance in hell (to reach a 5% national share of the vote for ballot and funding access)...20 years of banging that drum here I've managed to get that across to now like three people so my time hasn't been completely wasted...

[What is the world really]

Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."

Not to mention Tucker Carlson himself disliking trump. Which makes perfect sense to me as I said before.

[Celritannia]

First... page.

Eh, tiktok shouldn't be banned, not that I use it in anyway. But each generation now will have their websites and or apps they prefer. I'm sure many melinials in here remember YT and MySpace in their early form and people critisied those.

[Cannot think of a name]

My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."

Not to mention Tucker Carlson himself disliking trump. Which makes perfect sense to me as I said before.

My absolute favorite part paired with all we'd hear about Trump calling Tucker all the time. Trump clearly liked him even if he's going to now pretend he didn't.

[Untecna]

We've got the go ahead, there won't be any more rolling political threads, but these can still exist as stand alones. It is spring of 2023 in the US, the glacial movement towards Trump's indictment continues, and banks/ techbros are nostaligic for the 2000s with bank failures and tech startup chaos. On top of that, we've got a Mayoral vote in Chicago in April, three states with gubernatorials this year, and a pittance of ballot inititiatives. This is the thres to discuss American campaigns, political news, and general US politics. Enjoy yourselves, play nice, and always remember days and memes gone by.

Plebiscite Plaza 2023:

Louisiana's first amendment, up for a vote on Saturday, November 18, would allow the state legislature to consider vetoed bills during a regular or special session without having to convene a separate veto session. It would also stipulate that the governor's deadline to act on a bill is based on the legislative session in which the bill is passed or vetoed.

Normally, Oklahoma doesn't make odd-numbered year appearances, but a measure got on the ballot too late for 2022. SQ 820, up for a vote on March 7, would legalise marijuana in Oklahoma. Adults over age 21 could possess, transport, or distribute up to one ounce or marijuana, eight grams of concentrated marijuana, or up to eight grams of concentrated marijuana in infused products such as edibles. People could own up to six mature plants and up to six seedlings, and a process would be set up for expungement or modification of previous marijuana-related crimes. Sales would be taxed at 15%, with most funds going to the Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority's implementation of this measure. Remaining funds would be distributed to the state's general fund(30%), public school grants to encourage student retention, after-school and enrichment, and campaigns against substance abuse(30%), grants to government agencies and non-profits to fund addiction treatment and OD prevention programmes(20%), the state judicial revolving fund(10%), and the city or county where the weed was sold(10%). REJECTED

Question 1, to be voted on on April 4 with the next measure, would amend the constitution to allow the state legislature to define "serious harm" in relation to the conditions that a judge can impose on an accused person if they're released from jail before conviction. At the moment, judges can impose any condition they want to prevent bodily harm to others.

Question 2 would amend the constitution to allow judges to consider an accused person's previous convictions, the probability of them not appearing in court, the need to protect the community from serious harm(as defined by Question 1 if it passes), the need to protect witnesses from harm, and any potential affirmative defences before setting cash bail amounts.

What happened with the threads?

[What is the world really]

I think Teddy was an ok president but like, the fact that he built up a cult of personality that outlived him by over a century is terrifying.

[Rusozak]

So, is "wokeness" effectively a terrible euphemism for "Cultural Marxism?"

I think "wokeness" is just whenever there are repercussions for disgusting behavior, since it usually gets complained about when someone gets banned or socially shunned for screaming the N-word or saying a percentage of our population should be denied personhood.

[Floofybit]

Tiktok should be banned

[Cannot think of a name]

Tiktok should be banned

It'll just be replaced with something else like it. Reels on FB/Insta, something new. Hell, TikTok is just a version of a bunch of other shit that came before it that I can't remember the name of. Vine? Vine was one of them.