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Are body cameras good insurance against false accusations/rumors?

Yes
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No
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Postby Forsher » Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Not really. It tends to just keep people safe

No it doesn't. You aren't safe when some person or persons unknown are watching you.


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See the world you are advocating for? People who want to be able to go about their business without their movements and actions being tracked by the state simply cannot leave their homes.


The only person talking about tracking is you.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:21 am

Bro I use body cameras for rafting lol, this is entirely unnessecary. It's not like the court is more likely to believe her over you when there's a lack of evidence.
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:34 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Floofybit wrote:
Some info is better than none


Not always. If you have to interpret, then mistakes tend to follow.

If there's no info, you still have to interpret. You have to interpret a LOT more and that in turn leads to a LOT more mistakes
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:09 am

Floofybit wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Not always. If you have to interpret, then mistakes tend to follow.

If there's no info, you still have to interpret. You have to interpret a LOT more and that in turn leads to a LOT more mistakes


It depends on the evidence the investigators find. Painting a picture of events if you will. Camera footage is not really unquestionable anymore. You saw this with Tucker Carlson’s edits of January 6th.
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:30 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Floofybit wrote:If there's no info, you still have to interpret. You have to interpret a LOT more and that in turn leads to a LOT more mistakes


It depends on the evidence the investigators find. Painting a picture of events if you will. Camera footage is not really unquestionable anymore. You saw this with Tucker Carlson’s edits of January 6th.


That's why the camera footage would have timestamps and check when the footage was edited.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:36 am

Floofybit wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It depends on the evidence the investigators find. Painting a picture of events if you will. Camera footage is not really unquestionable anymore. You saw this with Tucker Carlson’s edits of January 6th.


That's why the camera footage would have timestamps and check when the footage was edited.


Few people would even check that.
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:13 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Floofybit wrote:
That's why the camera footage would have timestamps and check when the footage was edited.


Few people would even check that.


So the jury will send a man to his death unjustly because they didn't check the camera. That sounds like the legal system's problem, not the camera
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Postby Floofybit » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:07 pm

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Postby United Calanworie » Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:30 pm

United Boer Republics wrote:
Juansonia wrote:I'll say this again:

  1. Cops are never punished, even if bodycam footage shows them torturing and killing an unarmed civillian
  2. Cyclists are always to blame, even if bodycam footage shows that they weren't at fault
  3. Saiwana says that bodycam footage will protect people from sexual harrasment and false accusations thereof
How do you reconcile 3 with 1 and 2?


I have a couple problems with one. First, you imply that cops can get away with anything they want and not get punished? The goal of the police force is to protect and serve so if they break this code by doing something unjust they will get punished, and the reason we don’t see it a lot is because most cops are good people. Second, torturing an innocent civilian? Yeah, maybe a single rascist redneck in Mississippi who somehow made the police force but 90% of the time cops are accused of hurting someone because of “racially-motivated” shit like that they aren’t and it just happens the guy who robbed a store or brutally beat his wife/girlfriend had a weapon and was attempting to strike the officer. Most cops are good, don’t let the few bad fool you.

lol. ok. 24-40+% of cops are domestic abusers. In San Diego, where 92% of domestic violence cases are prosecuted, only 42% are prosecuted when a police officer is involved. Most cops are not good. Here's my source. In case that's not enough, here's another.

Floofybit wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It depends on the evidence the investigators find. Painting a picture of events if you will. Camera footage is not really unquestionable anymore. You saw this with Tucker Carlson’s edits of January 6th.


That's why the camera footage would have timestamps and check when the footage was edited.

Timestamps and metadata can be easily changed. It's not really a cure-all.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:34 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Floofybit wrote:
That's why the camera footage would have timestamps and check when the footage was edited.

Timestamps and metadata can be easily changed. It's not really a cure-all.

Could live broadcasts to multiple media stations, causing the data to be copied into multiple equal videos, reduce the chance of it being edited?
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Postby United Calanworie » Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:39 pm

Floofybit wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:

Timestamps and metadata can be easily changed. It's not really a cure-all.

Could live broadcasts to multiple media stations, causing the data to be copied into multiple equal videos, reduce the chance of it being edited?

Doing that for a bodycam is entirely too much effort. You're talking about something like an inverted Plex media server, I don't even know if this technology *exists* for the most part.
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Postby Saiwana » Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:49 pm

I would suggest the use of hashing algorithms. SHA-3 256 is hard enough to beat. It is designed so that if software changes from the original file/copy in any way, the hash just doesn't match. Its considered to be reliable evidence of no alterations having been made in the world of digital software/IT. I'm sure a body cam can be programmed to hash its footage at a certain time towards the end of each workday.
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