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Who do you predict will win in the second round?

Poll ended at Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:56 pm

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, by more than 5%
9
19%
Recep Tayyip Erdogan, by less than 5%
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40%
Kemal Kilicdaroglu, by any % of votes
20
42%
 
Total votes : 48

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Postby El Lazaro » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:47 pm

With the date of the general election finalized, the Turkish election season has begun. On May 14, Turks will elect a president and all 600 members of the Grand National Assembly. To clear up any confusion, Turkey is an authoritarian state with elections which are simultaneously contestable and skewed against the opposition. Though President Erdogan didn’t create this system, he has wielded it effectively to reign for two decades (longer than any of his predecessors) and fundamentally reshape the Turkish political system.

Erdogan first became Turkey’s leader in 2003, running as a populist and religious moderate pitted against a corrupt, authoritarian, and elitist political establishment both intolerant of ethnic minorities and the visibly religious and incapable of resolving economic issues. He swept the elections, survived both the 2007 military coup threat and a 2016 coup attempt, used the aforementioned events as a springboard to consolidate power and reform the constitution, purged his enemies, saturated the media and legal system with loyalists, and made a new political establishment in his own image. Beyond aesthetic differences, what sets him apart is that he’s a savvy politician, in spite of his unpopularity.

Essentially, this election is a referendum on Erdogan, who can loosely be described as a right-wing populist, national-chauvinist, and charismatic demagogue. Though he initially ran on a promise to defeat economic mismanagement and corruption, soaring inflation and crippling wealth inequality—showcased by the horrific aftermath of the 2023 earthquakes—have undermined his popularity. Still, the opposition faces the challenges of finding a persuasive, unifying message and overcoming Erdogan’s grip on Turkish political institutions. Without further ado, here are the parties by their alliances:

People’s Alliance/CUMHUR (right-wing to far-right)
The People’s Alliance is the incumbent electoral alliance, backing Erdogan and his political agenda. Along with the Nation Alliance, the People’s Alliance is a shoe-in for the top two in the first round of the presidential elections and will either make up the majority orf the government or opposition in the Grand National Assembly.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan (AKP)
Since Erdogan has been in power for so long with increasingly less limitations, there’s not much to say about what he’ll do differently; however, he has escalated expansionist and anti-Kurdish rhetoric in recent months in a rally ‘round the flag effort.

Justice and Development Party/AKP (right-wing; right-wing populism)
As Erdogan’s personality cult/political machine, what can be said about the Turkish president can generally be said about the AKP.

Nationalist Action Party/MHP (far-right; ultranationalism)
The MHP is a Turkish nationalist party that has been described as neo-fascist and linked to political violence. Originally a Kemalist party, it has made overtures to Islamism, and later, Erdoganism to remain in power.


Nation Alliance/MİLLET (center-left to center-right)
The Nation Alliance is an anti-Erdogan bloc made up of six different parties which propose returning to the parliamentary system, reversing democratic backsliding, gaining EU membership, and protecting fundamental freedoms with a new constitution. The two major parties, the CHP and İYİ, support (a less strict form of) Kemalism.

Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu (CHP)
Kemal Kilicdaroglu, with the leaders of the five other parties and the popular mayors of Istanbul and Ankara as his vice presidents, is Erdogan’s main opposition. Kılıçdaroğlu has been described as the Turkish Gandhi, with a peaceful and formal disposition directly opposite to Erdogan. His selection was controversial because he is performing relatively poorly in the polls compared to the aforementioned mayors.

Republican People’s Party/CHP (center-left; social democracy)
The CHP is a social democratic and Kemalist party, although it seems to have moved towards a less harsh form of secularism to widen its appeal and has negotiated with Kurdish political leaders in the elections.

Good Party/İYİ (center-right; moderate conservatism)
The İYİ is running as a civic (not ethnic or religious) nationalist and more liberal alternative to the AKP/MHP bloc. It has emphasized women’s rights under Meral Akşener’s leadership.

Labor and Freedom Alliance (left-wing to far-left)
The Labor and Freedom Alliance is broadly progressive and anticapitalist. Although its largest member is the Kurdish-supported Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), the Turkish government banned the party after accusing it of being a terrorist organization tied to the Kurdish Workers’ Party, or PKK. Labor and Freedom will not run a candidate, and both the YSP and TİP have endorsed Kilicdaroglu’s presidential campaign.

Green Left Party/YSP (left-wing; democratic socialism; factions: Kurdish interests, social democracy, Communism)
Technically a normal green party, the entire alliance (save for the Workers’ Party of Turkey, or TİP) parties are running their lists under the YSP due to the HDP’s ban, so it’s the largest left-wing party in the elections. It supports minority rights and democratization.


Ancestral Alliance/ATA Alliance (right-wing to far-right)
Planned as an alliance between parties opposing both Erdogan and Kilicdaroglu, the Homeland Party launched its own campaign instead, and other members backed out before a presidential candidate was named. Since the ZP is too small to include in the poll, but Ogan is at least a candidate, the poll option will be considered a vote for both.

Sinan Oğan (independent)
A former MHP member, he was expelled thrice and claims the party has tried to assassinate him for criticizing its leadership. I can’t find much else about him in English media.

Victory Party/ZP (far-right; ultranationalism, Kemalism)
The ZP is politically adjacent to the MHP, but it is against Islamism, presidentialism, and Erdogan’s rejection of Kemalism. The party also opposes immigration and believes Erdogan has been too soft on Kurds.


The Homeland Party’s campaign
The Homeland Party, breaking away from negotiations with the Victory Party to field their own candidate, is running a presidential and parliamentary campaign by itself. Its founder Muharrem Ince is running in the first round, but if there is a second round, it has endorsed Kilicdaroglu in a match-up against Erdogan

Muharrem İnce (MP)
Ince is a former CHP member who tried to unseat Kilicdaroglu as leader twice and lost the 2018 presidential elections to Erdogan in the first round. A better orator than Kilicdaroglu, Ince says he has a better chance of winning over the AKP’s base.

Homeland Party/MP (center/syncretic; Kemalism)
The Homeland Party claims to be an ideologically pure Kemalist party, describing itself as neither right nor left, but following Atatürk. It has criticized the CHP’s cooperation with minor parties and alleged straying from Kemalism.


There is also a far-left alliance called the Union of Socialist Forces, but they lack any seats, and I cannot find any polling data or presidential endorsements from them.


And that’s all of them, at least the ones that will fit on a poll. Here’s the obligatory so, what do you all think? Opinions on who should win and predictions on who will? Is this election a pivotal point in global politics or is the media attention the equivalent of rubbernecking at a car crash?

Incidentally, Turkey turns 100 years old this year, making Erdogan one-fifth of the republic’s history. More importantly, Turkey is both a significant regional power and a sort of middle ground between Europe and the Middle East. Since the candidates have very different visions for Turkey’s future political system and foreign policy doctrine, along with the general context of democratic backsliding worldwide, I think this will be an election worth watching. Lastly, feel free to correct anything I got wrong in the OP. I’m also pretty sleepy, so apologies if some of this doesn’t make sense.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:49 pm

Hope the best for the Nation Alliance.
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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:46 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:Hope the best for the Nation Alliance.

Yeah, but the HDP situation is somewhat worrying. If Kilicdaroglu is - for a lack of a better phrase - not racist enough, he loses the nationalists, but the Kurdish vote is also pivotal. If only the people realized Erdogan ruling as a president-for-life isn't in their interests, this election would be a bit easier. Right now isn't the time for squabbling.

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Postby Perikuresu » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:28 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Hope the best for the Nation Alliance.

Yeah, but the HDP situation is somewhat worrying. If Kilicdaroglu is - for a lack of a better phrase - not racist enough, he loses the nationalists, but the Kurdish vote is also pivotal. If only the people realized Erdogan ruling as a president-for-life isn't in their interests, this election would be a bit easier. Right now isn't the time for squabbling.

rn iirc, the polling between Kili and Erdogan seems sorta close with Kilicdaroglu getting the upper advantage by 11%.

If Kili does win over the Kurdish vote (possibly by convincing the HDP to support the Nation Alliance or joining the alliance, which both sides have been open to) it'll be a comfortable win for Kili (assuming the coalition stays together)
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:39 am

Whose business is this except for the Turkish people?
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Postby Perikuresu » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:53 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Whose business is this except for the Turkish people?

Ironic that a non-Turkish is whining about other non-Turkish taking an interest in this election
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:32 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Whose business is this except for the Turkish people?

Beyond the half dozen countries Erdogan has threatened to invade recently? People who live on Earth, generally speaking. There’s no law against talking about things that happen outside your village.

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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:38 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Hope the best for the Nation Alliance.

Yeah, but the HDP situation is somewhat worrying. If Kilicdaroglu is - for a lack of a better phrase - not racist enough, he loses the nationalists, but the Kurdish vote is also pivotal. If only the people realized Erdogan ruling as a president-for-life isn't in their interests, this election would be a bit easier. Right now isn't the time for squabbling.

Indeed, it's a careful line Kili. has to tread.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:18 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Whose business is this except for the Turkish people?

Kurds, Cypriots and Syrians, considering how Turkey is occupying their territory right now.
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Postby Alternate Garza » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:15 am

It’s apparent that Erdogan sailed into office on false promises of reform and instead concentrated power in his own hands in order to impose his fanatical religious agenda on the nation. His legacy, win or lose, has been disastrous for Turkey. He is endangering his country’s inclusion in Europe and alliance with the West without finding an adequate alternative. Saudi Arabia is no substitute for the EU and NATO.
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Postby Dayganistan » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:21 am

As nice as it would be to get a CHP/Iyi coalition to kick out the AKP/MHP coalition, does anyone really think Erdogan would actually concede defeat if it happened? What's the possibility of him claiming electoral fraud/CIA interference/some other insanity and going full dictator if he loses?
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:53 pm

Normally, I'm an HDP guy for Turkiye, but now is the time for unity, so I'm going with Kilicdaroglu and the CHP.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:25 pm

I understand the need to get rid of Erdogan and I do agree that it should be the biggest goal in this election. But if the Table of Six does want the endorsement of the HDP and the majority of its five to six million voters to flock to their banners, then it will have to come to the table and come to some kind of agreement. Because, the way the HDP sees it, if the Nation Alliance isn't willing to come to the table and make concessions with regard to democratization and the rights of Turkey's 13 to 15 million Kurds, then they really are no better than Erdogan in that aspect.

Now, there is a strong chance that HDP will support Kilicdaroglu's campaign, provided that the candidate can agree to certain points. Kilicdaroglu himself has stated his willingness to come to the table to meet with HDP's co-chairs. Everything from this point forward will depend on the man's willingness to engage with the HDP, though. That, and how much ground he's willing to give before Aksener throws a fit.
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Postby Haganham » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:43 pm

Perikuresu wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Whose business is this except for the Turkish people?

Ironic that a non-Turkish is whining about other non-Turkish taking an interest in this election

El Lazaro wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Whose business is this except for the Turkish people?

Beyond the half dozen countries Erdogan has threatened to invade recently? People who live on Earth, generally speaking. There’s no law against talking about things that happen outside your village.

Risottia wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Whose business is this except for the Turkish people?

Kurds, Cypriots and Syrians, considering how Turkey is occupying their territory right now.

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Postby El Lazaro » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:22 pm

Trial concluding in April to decide if HDP will be banned, European progressives urge against it

This only leaves a month before the elections for the HDP to know whether it will be campaigning for itself or rallying around the Green Left Party for the elections. Inconvenient, arbitrary, and unfair, but of course, Erdogan knows that.

Pasong Tirad wrote:I understand the need to get rid of Erdogan and I do agree that it should be the biggest goal in this election. But if the Table of Six does want the endorsement of the HDP and the majority of its five to six million voters to flock to their banners, then it will have to come to the table and come to some kind of agreement. Because, the way the HDP sees it, if the Nation Alliance isn't willing to come to the table and make concessions with regard to democratization and the rights of Turkey's 13 to 15 million Kurds, then they really are no better than Erdogan in that aspect.

Now, there is a strong chance that HDP will support Kilicdaroglu's campaign, provided that the candidate can agree to certain points. Kilicdaroglu himself has stated his willingness to come to the table to meet with HDP's co-chairs. Everything from this point forward will depend on the man's willingness to engage with the HDP, though. That, and how much ground he's willing to give before Aksener throws a fit.

The Workers’ Party of Turkey has endorsed him. I’ll have to update the poll, but I’m not sure if the Labor and Freedom Alliance will be dissolved/fall below the threshold if the HDP is barred from the elections.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:32 pm

El Lazaro wrote:Trial concluding in April to decide if HDP will be banned, European progressives urge against it

This only leaves a month before the elections for the HDP to know whether it will be campaigning for itself or rallying around the Green Left Party for the elections. Inconvenient, arbitrary, and unfair, but of course, Erdogan knows that.

Pasong Tirad wrote:I understand the need to get rid of Erdogan and I do agree that it should be the biggest goal in this election. But if the Table of Six does want the endorsement of the HDP and the majority of its five to six million voters to flock to their banners, then it will have to come to the table and come to some kind of agreement. Because, the way the HDP sees it, if the Nation Alliance isn't willing to come to the table and make concessions with regard to democratization and the rights of Turkey's 13 to 15 million Kurds, then they really are no better than Erdogan in that aspect.

Now, there is a strong chance that HDP will support Kilicdaroglu's campaign, provided that the candidate can agree to certain points. Kilicdaroglu himself has stated his willingness to come to the table to meet with HDP's co-chairs. Everything from this point forward will depend on the man's willingness to engage with the HDP, though. That, and how much ground he's willing to give before Aksener throws a fit.

The Workers’ Party of Turkey has endorsed him. I’ll have to update the poll, but I’m not sure if the Labor and Freedom Alliance will be dissolved/fall below the threshold if the HDP is barred from the elections.

Not entirely certain how it will work, but if the HDP is banned it will still in theory function by running independent candidates. I'm not all too familiar if electoral alliances are allowed to take on independents on their lists. If they aren't, then judging by the past few election it'll be unlikely that TIP alone will be able to make it past the threshold.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:57 pm

Kılıçdaroğlu visits HDP leadership at their GNA hall

This is all to get the Labour and Justice bloc to endorse his run.
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Shrillland wrote:Kılıçdaroğlu visits HDP leadership at their GNA hall

This is all to get the Labour and Justice bloc to endorse his run.

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It really does look like they are trying really, really hard to win over the Kurdish vote, knowing full well the population's potential role as kingmaker. Kılıçdaroğlu expressing disapproval for the appointment of trustees (a very thorny issue that has resulted in democratically elected local HDP officials being ousted from their offices), the closure of political parties and others really sounds like he really wants their endorsement.
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As a non-Turk who rather disdains the country and is mostly interested in them not being obstructionist to NATO and my own country's interests, I'm for the Nation Alliance.

Were I a Turk, I'd probably be all about the MHP, maybe not too keen on their stance towards the Kurds but hey, as a Turk I'd probably have grown up to hate them as much as the rest of the country.
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What is the world really wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-boost-to-opposition-kurdish-party-wont-field-candidate/ar-AA18WOxP the HDP will not run a candidate.


Let's hope that this dooms Erdogan at last. Of course, that assumes that he'll step down if defeated. Something by no means guaranteed with a guy like Erdogan.
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What is the world really wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-boost-to-opposition-kurdish-party-wont-field-candidate/ar-AA18WOxP the HDP will not run a candidate.


Let's hope that this dooms Erdogan at last. Of course, that assumes that he'll step down if defeated. Something by no means guaranteed with a guy like Erdogan.

I mean, I am worried about election fuckery and Erdogan attempting a self-coup or something like that even if he DOES lose the election.

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El Lazaro wrote:And that’s all of them, at least the ones with more than two seats. Here’s the obligatory so, what do you all think? Opinions on who should win and predictions on who will? Is this election a pivotal point in global politics or is the media attention the equivalent of rubbernecking at a car crash?


As a Greek all I want is for Turkey to elect someone who will be a reliable partner and who will ensure the stability and prosperity of the country without having to resort to demonizing us for no reason.

Will these elections matter a lot? Probably not.

If I had to guess, Erdogan will win by a narrow margin.

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