Global tensions are Rising - WW3 could be soon?

[The Republic of Covelandia]

In just the last year or so, Global Tensions all over the world are rising, and theirs no veiws of it declining.

Lets just take the South China Sea, recently this sea has brought attention from nations about Chinas disrespect to the law of the sea, recently known for its 7 new islands, that interfere with other nations sea borders.

Or we could look into Chinas open aggression to Taiwan thats threatening the US's Chinese blockade, (and now that i think of it, it just sounds Aggressive).

Now lets look at Russian, Chinese and Iranian neighbours. China, Russia and Iran are like the mordern Axis powers, just with diffrences. So lets get rid of the big elephant in the room, Russian Aggression. During this war Russia ramped up Military spending by 30% despite the sanctions, having low morale and lack of help. now towards china the main view is that the South China Sea is Chinas and the 1 China policy. Now Iran, (as far as i know) Iran mainly wants influence in the Middle East. Along with that Chinese and Russian support will help Iran with the acceptation of sea access. you sea China is in a Blockade of US influence, and russia lacks the sea access mainly because the north is to cold, the east no infrastructure, and the south no sea but the Caspian, however the west has ocean access now Russia has to go through the EU however Türkiye is the nicest to Russia so they might get sea access, but. An attack on means an attack on all so Türkey has to fight.

Anyways youn get idea and i could go on and on.

[Great American United States]

I really don’t think so.

[Ostroeuropa]

Under the current balance of power, no. However the western order is decaying chiefly from the inside. The question is whether western identity is strong enough for the west to remain a military bloc even as mutually hostile and incompatible ideologies arise within its constituent members.

If it is, no world war will occur. If it is not, ae may see one.

Historically the west was broadly able to align fascists, liberals, and socialist governments into the western power bloc due to common fear of the Soviet union. It's easily possible this dynamic arises again out of fear of China, Russia and the middle east.

In that case White identity also played a significant role. (Tolerance for European socialist governments in NATO did not appear to extend all that often to Hispanic governments, as one example.).

If western identity is merely an proxy for white identity we may see something similar arise. Despite the braying over "Italy elected a fascist" for example there appears to be no real effort to isolate or regime change them. Similar for Hungary and Turkey to various degrees.

If however western identity is broadly alignment with liberal democracy (Raher than I suspect, are you EITHER white OR a liberal democracy) we may see WW3 in future as the political consensus fractures the power bloc keeping hegemonic order.

Its also possible the western order manages to navigate the current tensions its doctrines are causing and remain ideologically unified.

[Durius]

Under the current balance of power, no. However the western order is decaying chiefly from the inside. The question is whether western identity is strong enough for the west to remain a military bloc even as mutually hostile and incompatible ideologies arise within its constituent members.

If it is, no world war will occur. If it is not, ae may see one.

Historically the west was broadly able to align fascists, liberals, and socialist governments into the western power bloc due to common fear of the Soviet union. It's easily possible this dynamic arises again out of fear of China, Russia and the middle east.

Historically, the West was much more ideologically divided than it is now.

In that case White identity also played a significant role. (Tolerance for European socialist governments in NATO did not appear to extend all that often to Hispanic governments, as one example.).

The hell are you on about? The geopolitics of Europe and in the Americas are naturally different. It has nothing to due about how tanned you are.

Despite the braying over "Italy elected a fascist" for example there appears to be no real effort to isolate or regime change them.

Maybe because nothing fascitic has been done to garner that type of response.

If however western identity is broadly alignment with liberal democracy (Raher than I suspect, are you EITHER white OR a liberal democracy) we may see WW3 in future as the political consensus fractures the power bloc keeping hegemonic order.

"Call yourself white and refuse liberal democracy or you'll cause WW3". I'm always surprised by how low arguments against liberal democracy can go.

[Techocracy101010]

Under the current balance of power, no. However the western order is decaying chiefly from the inside. The question is whether western identity is strong enough for the west to remain a military bloc even as mutually hostile and incompatible ideologies arise within its constituent members.

If it is, no world war will occur. If it is not, ae may see one.

Historically the west was broadly able to align fascists, liberals, and socialist governments into the western power bloc due to common fear of the Soviet union. It's easily possible this dynamic arises again out of fear of China, Russia and the middle east.

Historically, the West was much more ideologically divided than it is now.

In that case White identity also played a significant role. (Tolerance for European socialist governments in NATO did not appear to extend all that often to Hispanic governments, as one example.).

The hell are you on about? The geopolitics of Europe and in the Americas are naturally different. It has nothing to due about how tanned you are.

Despite the braying over "Italy elected a fascist" for example there appears to be no real effort to isolate or regime change them.

Maybe because nothing fascitic has been done to garner that type of response.

If however western identity is broadly alignment with liberal democracy (Raher than I suspect, are you EITHER white OR a liberal democracy) we may see WW3 in future as the political consensus fractures the power bloc keeping hegemonic order.

"Call yourself white and refuse liberal democracy or you'll cause WW3". I'm always surprised by how low arguments against liberal democracy can go.

There is a real case of democracy for thee but not for me in the west. One only has to look at the dirty wars/ banana wars in south America from 1880-1980s where we repeatedly killed folks had death squads and overthrew democratically elected governments. We can see a similar trend in africa to this day. Also i would like to point out Winston churchill participated in multiple genocides yet he us still portrayed as a funny alcoholic brit rather than the hitler tier monster he is.
One example of an agent of the liberal democratic order “Former Uruguayan police officials and CIA operatives[who?] stated Mitrione had taught torture techniques to Uruguayan police in the cellar of his Montevideo home, including the use of electrical shocks delivered to his victims' mouths and genitals.[7] His credo was "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect."[8] He also helped train foreign police agents in the United States in the context of the Cold War. In 1978, at the 11th International Youth Festival in Cuba, Manuel Hevia Cosculluela, a Cuban who claimed to have infiltrated the CIA as double agent from 1962 to 1970, stated that Mitrione ordered the abduction of homeless people, so that he could use them as 'guinea pigs' in his torture classes.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione

Do not forget presidents even from Nixon to Ronald Reagan were on audio tape basing US policy on racist , and homophobic thoughts multiple times. This shit kills folk. Also too as for us being moral uhh do you remember iraq? A war based on a lie that lead to 350,000 dead civilians? How about Libya where we took it from being a rich vibrant society bombed it flat and now it has open air slave markets ( this one hurt as a anon i knew on another server lived there… He hasnt logged back on in years.)

[-Astoria-]

Unlikely.

[Galactic Powers]

In MAD I trust.

Nuclear weapons are the only thing really holding people back.

[Northern Seleucia]

Nuclear weapons make this unlikely.

[Untecna]

doomer posting for the win amirite

[Portzania]

Doubt

[The Great Nevada Overlord]

Two things.

1. If WW3 happens, it's gonna be in 2023.
2. It probably won't happen.

Let me explain.

Right now America and NATO are not prepared for WW3, and most of their gear is in Ukraine.

But Russia and China are preparing for WW3.

On the flipside, NATO is beginning to prepare for WW3 also.

So by 2024 Russia will be a lost cause because of Ukraine and China will be war ready by 2027.
Around 2024 to 2025 I predict that America and NATO will be war ready.

So, 2024, Russia is out and China ain't ready and NATO is ready for blood. The most I can say is a minor conflict between Iran and Israel is possible, but tensions aren't high enough I'd say.

[Thermodolia]

Two things.

1. If WW3 happens, it's gonna be in 2023.
2. It probably won't happen.

Let me explain.

Right now America and NATO are not prepared for WW3, and most of their gear is in Ukraine.

That’s false. Most of NATOS gear is in their home nations of NATO members the amount of material sent to Ukraine is but a small part of the arsenal

But Russia and China are preparing for WW3.

Russia is not, China maybe but Russia is most definitely not

On the flipside, NATO is beginning to prepare for WW3 also.

So by 2024 Russia will be a lost cause because of Ukraine and China will be war ready by 2027.
Around 2024 to 2025 I predict that America and NATO will be war ready.

So, 2024, Russia is out and China ain't ready and NATO is ready for blood. The most I can say is a minor conflict between Iran and Israel is possible, but tensions aren't high enough I'd say.

NATO has been preparing for WW3 for decades

[The Black Forrest]

Two things.

1. If WW3 happens, it's gonna be in 2023.
2. It probably won't happen.

Let me explain.

Right now America and NATO are not prepared for WW3, and most of their gear is in Ukraine.

That’s false. Most of NATOS gear is in their home nations of NATO members the amount of material sent to Ukraine is but a small part of the arsenal

But Russia and China are preparing for WW3.

Russia is not, China maybe but Russia is most definitely not

On the flipside, NATO is beginning to prepare for WW3 also.

So by 2024 Russia will be a lost cause because of Ukraine and China will be war ready by 2027.
Around 2024 to 2025 I predict that America and NATO will be war ready.

So, 2024, Russia is out and China ain't ready and NATO is ready for blood. The most I can say is a minor conflict between Iran and Israel is possible, but tensions aren't high enough I'd say.

NATO has been preparing for WW3 for decades

Mostly this.

Even China isn’t out for invasions. It hurts business. They are patient enough to where if they think the new Silk Road will dethrone the US in 100 years; they will wait for it to happen. Of course they will train forces to be prepared if the US want’s to get violent…..

[Portzania]

That’s false. Most of NATOS gear is in their home nations of NATO members the amount of material sent to Ukraine is but a small part of the arsenal


Russia is not, China maybe but Russia is most definitely not


NATO has been preparing for WW3 for decades

Mostly this.

Even China isn’t out for invasions. It hurts business. They are patient enough to where if they think the new Silk Road will dethrone the US in 100 years; they will wait for it to happen. Of course they will train forces to be prepared if the US want’s to get violent…..

Not to mention that China's army is... Well not the best.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

In just the last year or so, Global Tensions all over the world are rising, and theirs no veiws of it declining.

Lets just take the South China Sea, recently this sea has brought attention from nations about Chinas disrespect to the law of the sea, recently known for its 7 new islands, that interfere with other nations sea borders.

Or we could look into Chinas open aggression to Taiwan thats threatening the US's Chinese blockade, (and now that i think of it, it just sounds Aggressive).

Now lets look at Russian, Chinese and Iranian neighbours. China, Russia and Iran are like the mordern Axis powers, just with diffrences. So lets get rid of the big elephant in the room, Russian Aggression. During this war Russia ramped up Military spending by 30% despite the sanctions, having low morale and lack of help. now towards china the main view is that the South China Sea is Chinas and the 1 China policy. Now Iran, (as far as i know) Iran mainly wants influence in the Middle East. Along with that Chinese and Russian support will help Iran with the acceptation of sea access. you sea China is in a Blockade of US influence, and russia lacks the sea access mainly because the north is to cold, the east no infrastructure, and the south no sea but the Caspian, however the west has ocean access now Russia has to go through the EU however Türkiye is the nicest to Russia so they might get sea access, but. An attack on means an attack on all so Türkey has to fight.

Anyways youn get idea and i could go on and on.

Nonsense, look at the world tension right now, it's only 20%! You can't even justify war goals yet.

[Punished UMN]

I think there needs to be cooler-headed analysis of how close we really are to war with China, because I think the more we talk bullishly about it the more we come to accept it as inevitable and are more likely to start it ourselves. I could be wrong but I am not aware of Chinese generals publicly telling their troops to be ready to shoot Americans in the head or top Chinese politicians and defense officials putting timelines on war.

[Cannot think of a name]

Nah, we're too inter-reliant.

[Ostroeuropa]

Historically, the West was much more ideologically divided than it is now.

Yes, that's the point being discussed.

The hell are you on about? The geopolitics of Europe and in the Americas are naturally different. It has nothing to due about how tanned you are.

Socialist governments were tolerated among NATO members, but not south american nations.

Maybe because nothing fascitic has been done to garner that type of response.

See also; Turkey.

"Call yourself white and refuse liberal democracy or you'll cause WW3". I'm always surprised by how low arguments against liberal democracy can go.

This isn't the argument I just made. The argument I just made is that to be "Western" you must be either white, or a liberal democracy.

White socialist countries can be western.

Brown ones cannot.

White fascist countries can be western.

Brown ones cannot.

All liberal democracies are western.

Therefore, westernism is an EITHER be white OR be a liberal democracy entry requirement. (There's also an asterisk that says "Don't be Russia" which is sporadically enforced based on mood). So long as western hegemony remains broadly united, the balance of power is such that WW3 will not occur because of hegemonic stability. As you note, historically, the west was very divided ideologically. So we're going to see whether western hegemony can survive a return to ideological diversity among its constituent parts due to some other shared identity characteristic. If it can, hurray, racism prevented a global war isn't that super fucked up. If it can't, oh dear, well at least we won a moral victory by... undermining the shared identity of the hegemonic stability and getting everybody killed.

There's no nice answers here. Nor are we owed any.

As I said, it's also possible the western hegemony navigates the coming years in such a way that it remains ideologically broadly unified and we never find out the answer to the question of "Is white supremacy a necessary aspect of global peace at the moment.".

https://www.academia.edu/14338967/A_Rac ... cial_2011_

Example academic text on a similar subject.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

Historically, the West was much more ideologically divided than it is now.

Yes, that's the point being discussed.

The hell are you on about? The geopolitics of Europe and in the Americas are naturally different. It has nothing to due about how tanned you are.

Socialist governments were tolerated among NATO members, but not south american nations.

Maybe because nothing fascitic has been done to garner that type of response.

See also; Turkey.

"Call yourself white and refuse liberal democracy or you'll cause WW3". I'm always surprised by how low arguments against liberal democracy can go.

This isn't the argument I just made. The argument I just made is that to be "Western" you must be either white, or a liberal democracy.

White socialist countries can be western.

Brown ones cannot.

White fascist countries can be western.

Brown ones cannot.

All liberal democracies are western.

Therefore, westernism is an EITHER be white OR be a liberal democracy entry requirement. So long as western hegemony remains broadly united, the balance of power is such that WW3 will not occur. As you note, historically, the west was very divided ideologically. So we're going to see whether western hegemony can survive a return to ideological diversity. If it can, hurray, racism prevented a global war isn't that super fucked up. If it can't, oh dear, well at least we won a moral victory by... undermining the shared identity of the hegemonic stability and getting everybody killed.

There's no nice answers here. Nor are we owed any.

Could you potentially consider organizing your responses into paragraphs and not type a new super short sentence for every new point

[Ostroeuropa]

Could you potentially consider organizing your responses into paragraphs and not type a new super short sentence for every new point

If you like, but personally I've found that the paragraph approach tends towards people talking past eachother rather than identifying specific points they disagree with.

[Fractalnavel]

(reads ok to me, it's a list...)

Or maybe Russia is an example of a severe ideological divide in the "west", while USSR was still 'east' - ?

[Durius]

Socialist governments were tolerated among NATO members, but not south american nations.

Which socialist governments? The US certainly didn't like the fact that Portugal was nearing a socialist regime during the hot summer of 1975 and they did had plans for the supporting the independence of Azores in case it happened.

See also; Turkey.

Did I miss Meloni's Italy invasion of Turkey?

This isn't the argument I just made. The argument I just made is that to be "Western" you must be either white, or a liberal democracy.

Turkey is a NATO country and they can hardly be described a liberal democracy or as "white" by people who think "brown" even makes any sense. Russia is certainly "white", but not Western.

All liberal democracies are western.

I disagree. Countries like Japan are certainly liberal democracies and they certainly aren't Western. I would also like to add that several South American countries like Uruguay are liberal democracies, though you seem to disagree that they are Western (or maybe you don't think they are "brown").

Therefore, westernism is an EITHER be white OR be a liberal democracy entry requirement.

Completely false by all the reasons exposed above.

[Tawir]

Historically, the West was much more ideologically divided than it is now.


The hell are you on about? The geopolitics of Europe and in the Americas are naturally different. It has nothing to due about how tanned you are.


Maybe because nothing fascitic has been done to garner that type of response.


"Call yourself white and refuse liberal democracy or you'll cause WW3". I'm always surprised by how low arguments against liberal democracy can go.

There is a real case of democracy for thee but not for me in the west. One only has to look at the dirty wars/ banana wars in south America from 1880-1980s where we repeatedly killed folks had death squads and overthrew democratically elected governments. We can see a similar trend in africa to this day. Also i would like to point out Winston churchill participated in multiple genocides yet he us still portrayed as a funny alcoholic brit rather than the hitler tier monster he is.
One example of an agent of the liberal democratic order “Former Uruguayan police officials and CIA operatives[who?] stated Mitrione had taught torture techniques to Uruguayan police in the cellar of his Montevideo home, including the use of electrical shocks delivered to his victims' mouths and genitals.[7] His credo was "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect."[8] He also helped train foreign police agents in the United States in the context of the Cold War. In 1978, at the 11th International Youth Festival in Cuba, Manuel Hevia Cosculluela, a Cuban who claimed to have infiltrated the CIA as double agent from 1962 to 1970, stated that Mitrione ordered the abduction of homeless people, so that he could use them as 'guinea pigs' in his torture classes.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione

Do not forget presidents even from Nixon to Ronald Reagan were on audio tape basing US policy on racist , and homophobic thoughts multiple times. This shit kills folk. Also too as for us being moral uhh do you remember iraq? A war based on a lie that lead to 350,000 dead civilians? How about Libya where we took it from being a rich vibrant society bombed it flat and now it has open air slave markets ( this one hurt as a anon i knew on another server lived there… He hasnt logged back on in years.)

Stupid communists saying that America is evil. Let me give you the truth WERE ALL EVIL! Is it that much of a Suprise that a country as big as America has done some very bad things? Not to me! I mean just looking at they're size tells you that some sus land acquisition must've taken place a couple times. America has been evil, so has Europe, so has Russia, so has China. There are no heroes. THERE NEVER WAS!! People are born bad and that's the plain truth. The bigger the country the more evil it is. This "Enemy" thing is hiding the real issue. When we turn an area into a political chessboard we raze it to the ground for so called "Good Ideologies". But this is not just an American thing. Other countries have done much the same things. The west and the east are the same thing with the same goals. Both no one and everyone is to blame. We can't expect a perfect political ideology that solves everything because it doesn't exist. And trying to create that political ideology has resulted in terrible things.

[El Lazaro]

Guys, look outside of the window and please tell me if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing.

[Shermania]

Guys, look outside of the window and please tell me if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing.

...night?

That happens often. Regularly, even.