Transmaxxing

[Saiwania]

You could also just try talking to women and asking them out on dates. You mentioned before that at least one woman has expressed in interest in you and that you rejected her because of your opinions on miscegenation.

That was back then, it obviously won't ever occur again. I'm balding and my youth is gone to a large extent.

[Rhodevus]

You could also just try talking to women and asking them out on dates. You mentioned before that at least one woman has expressed in interest in you and that you rejected her because of your opinions on miscegenation.

That was back then, it obviously won't ever occur again. I'm balding and my youth is gone to a large extent.

bald, older people do still date.

[Rauritania]

I'm personally opposed to changing my body. I do understand where they are coming from, but for some people it is just not them. "Tradcons" also want men to be men and women to be women for a reason. For some people, it could only lead to more misery.

[Fahran]

oh no, that I do know about. I'm on HRT, so it's kinda expected. more so, I don't know any other medical risks due to chemical infertility that can come about due to long-term hormones.

And the human body's ability to reconnect damaged nerve tissue after a graphic and complex surgery, to allow for things like ffs and srs can be nothing less than a miracle.

Excellent. I do hope your treatment is proceeding well and that it has helped with symptoms of dysphoria. With regard to cross-sex hormone therapy, it's speculated that there may be some heightened risk of breast cancer in MtF patients. This has been observed in menopausal women and other patients receiving hormone replacement therapy. At the moment, the risk has been very slight and there's only a handful of cases, but it's possible that there may be underreporting and that cases might increase as patients age. If you're a trans-woman, do not neglect your routine examinations. At the moment, the best studies suggest the risk for trans-women is still less than that for cis-women, though much higher than the risk for cis-men. There may be other heightened risks for patients as well.

[Fahran]

I'm personally opposed to changing my body. I do understand where they are coming from, but for some people it is just not them. "Tradcons" also want men to be men and women to be women for a reason. For some people, it could only lead to more misery.

I feel like you should have a compelling reason to pursue major medical procedures with potentially life-changing consequences. Gender transitioning is a valid medical procedure that seeks to alleviate symptoms of dysphoria and grant patients a better quality of life. While it does carry risks, the thought is that those risks aren't quite as serious as those posed by going untreated. The OP's argument is just mind-numbingly dense though.

[Rhodevus]

oh no, that I do know about. I'm on HRT, so it's kinda expected. more so, I don't know any other medical risks due to chemical infertility that can come about due to long-term hormones.

And the human body's ability to reconnect damaged nerve tissue after a graphic and complex surgery, to allow for things like ffs and srs can be nothing less than a miracle.

Excellent. I do hope your treatment is proceeding well and that it has helped with symptoms of dysphoria. With regard to cross-sex hormone therapy, it's speculated that there may be some heightened risk of breast cancer in MtF patients. This has been observed in menopausal women and other patients receiving hormone replacement therapy. At the moment, the risk has been very slight and there's only a handful of cases, but it's possible that there may be underreporting and that cases might increase as patients age. If you're a trans-woman, do not neglect your routine examinations. At the moment, the best studies suggest the risk for trans-women is still less than that for cis-women, though much higher than the risk for cis-men. There may be other heightened risks for patients as well.

thanks! all that is great to know

[Fahran]

thanks! all that is great to know

No problem!

Also, my intention here wasn't to freak you out or discourage you. I'm hopeful that your treating physicians have discussed things like breast examinations with you. I also want to reiterate that, while you do have a heightened risk, you're still less likely to develop cancerous tumors than cis-women. The assessment of the risk was more geared towards individual patient experiences on and off HRT.

[Suriyanakhon]

Finally, I get to dissect the OP! I don't even remember if I posted in this thread before.perhaps becoming a femboy would be a good compromise?

Femboy juice, please?

Kind of gross to just sexualize people like that.

[Fahran]

That was back then, it obviously won't ever occur again. I'm balding and my youth is gone to a large extent.

1. There are treatments for balding.

2. Bald men go on dates, get married, and have sex all the time.

3. It's quite possible another woman will ask you out if you make an effort.

4. Have you learned why racism is bad yet?

[Tsarus 2142]

That was back then, it obviously won't ever occur again. I'm balding and my youth is gone to a large extent.

1. There are treatments for balding.

2. Bald men go on dates, get married, and have sex all the time.

3. It's quite possible another woman will ask you out if you make an effort.

4. Have you learned why racism is bad yet?

The concern should NOT be whether it is bad but whether it is truth-oriented or not...JUST saying.

[Dumb Ideologies]

1. There are treatments for balding.

2. Bald men go on dates, get married, and have sex all the time.

3. It's quite possible another woman will ask you out if you make an effort.

4. Have you learned why racism is bad yet?

The concern should NOT be whether it is bad but whether it is truth-oriented or not...JUST saying.

All truth orientations are valid and trying to get someone to change theirs is conversion therapy.

[Fahran]

The concern should NOT be whether it is bad but whether it is truth-oriented or not...JUST saying.

I mean... racism is both epistemologically and ethically bankrupt so...

[Tsarus 2142]

The concern should NOT be whether it is bad but whether it is truth-oriented or not...JUST saying.

I mean... racism is both epistemologically and ethically bankrupt so...

This is more of a thought out decision because he believes miscegenation is wrong, perhaps out of a value of truth. He may be right or wrong in this truth, whatever. Doesnt matter. Point is, this is about truth, not the morality of his actions. (it can effectively be preference, anyway.)

[Neutraligon]

I mean... racism is both epistemologically and ethically bankrupt so...

The circumstance, correct me if I'm wrong, appears as though Saiwania denied a date with a woman because of her race. This is more of a thought out decision because he believes miscegenation is wrong, perhaps out of a value of truth. He may be right or wrong in this truth, whatever. Doesnt matter. Point is, this is about truth, not the morality of his actions. (it can effectively be preference, anyway.)

(im going to reread this and edit it so its more coherent hang on)

What truth in this case? I think you should really rewrite that because right now you are saying that miscegenation is wrong as a matter of fact rather than of opinion.

[Tsarus 2142]

The circumstance, correct me if I'm wrong, appears as though Saiwania denied a date with a woman because of her race. This is more of a thought out decision because he believes miscegenation is wrong, perhaps out of a value of truth. He may be right or wrong in this truth, whatever. Doesnt matter. Point is, this is about truth, not the morality of his actions. (it can effectively be preference, anyway.)

(im going to reread this and edit it so its more coherent hang on)

What truth in this case? I think you should really rewrite that because right now you are saying that miscegenation is wrong as a matter of fact rather than of opinion.

i never stated whether it is truly wrong or isn't, but saiwania does seem to have conviction that points towards it being true. so long as there is a supportive theory behind this, to justify it being true, you cannot say with absolute certainty that such a belief is never truth-valuing.

[Fahran]

This is more of a thought out decision because he believes miscegenation is wrong, perhaps out of a value of truth.

And, as I said, racism is epistemologically and ethically bankrupt. Which hits on both "miscegenation is wrong", an ethical statement, and "a value of truth", presumably a statement about truth and knowledge. My earlier statement, "racism is bad", could be referring to either given how vague I left it, though my intention was to point out that it made him unhappy. That's an ethical observation in the abstract, but a personal wellness statement in the context of discussing this with someone who is very clearly unhappy with his lot in life.

He may be right or wrong in this truth, whatever. Doesnt matter.

He's wrong about it.

Point is, this is about truth, not the morality of his actions. (it can effectively be preference, anyway.)

Um... it's absolutely an issue of ethics when the claim "miscegenation is wrong" comes into the equation. I'm not saying he has to find people of other races attractive or has an obligation to date them I'm saying rejecting someone you find attractive due to racism is morally wrong, based on long debunked assumptions about the world, and just not really good for your health or happiness when you don't want to die alone.

[Tsarus 2142]

This is more of a thought out decision because he believes miscegenation is wrong, perhaps out of a value of truth.

And, as I said, racism is epistemologically and ethically bankrupt. Which hits on both "miscegenation is wrong", an ethical statement, and "a value of truth", presumably a statement about truth and knowledge. My earlier statement, "racism is bad", could be referring to either given how vague I left it, though my intention was to point out that it made him unhappy. That's an ethical observation in the abstract, but a personal wellness statement in the context of discussing this with someone who is very clearly unhappy with his lot in life.

He may be right or wrong in this truth, whatever. Doesnt matter.

He's wrong about it.

Point is, this is about truth, not the morality of his actions. (it can effectively be preference, anyway.)

Um... it's absolutely an issue of ethics when the claim "miscegenation is wrong" comes into the equation. I'm not saying he has to find people of other races attractive or has an obligation to date them I'm saying rejecting someone you find attractive due to racism is morally wrong, based on long debunked assumptions about the world, and just not really good for your health or happiness when you don't want to die alone.

Yeah you can’t just say he’s wrong about it just because there are established reasonings against it. It doesn’t matter if there are studies disproving that it’s “wrong” he very well could have a theory to refute said findings (which is possible, science is obviously not infallible).

I definitely don’t see the ethical issue. It’s comparable to thinking a slur or saying it when nobody is around being unethical. It just doesn’t matter, let him be unhappy who cares. It’s not unethical to stay unhappy if thats what you want. It’s also not unethical to reject someone you like based on race because of long debunked beliefs, it’s illogical unless, again, you have a strong theory to support your actions.

[Saiwania]

To end this line of discussion, I found a Filipina woman to be physically attractive a long time ago. I didn't reject her only because I believe race mixing to be wrong, I also had no money or full independence of my own, still don't. My sense is that she had nothing more than infatuation for me from enough good online conversations and made false assumptions from me hiding certain things about myself. No way should I have risked ruining any of her potential future for being able to pair up with a Filipino man, which is what I believe to be more right, agree or disagree. Me reciprocating would effectively amount to only using her for sex/pleasure. I don't want a mixed race child or to negatively impact my racial group any, and don't see how I could've made it work if I just went ahead with what she wanted (and what I wanted to a great extent in terms of physical urges).

Now about Transmaxxing, has anyone here known anyone who has successfully "become the girlfriend" (if they couldn't get a girlfriend as a man) really got what they wanted out of it with no complaints? The Transmaxxing manifesto suggests the men going this route ahead of time, try to artificially induce gender dysphoria ahead of time, even if they don't naturally feel that way- as part of that process. It is a diametric shift to go from viewing the world as a man to force yourself to think and behave as a woman and never look back.

Can this even be done, so far as what most people are capable of maintaining over the long term? To adopt a psychological mask but along the way, to be totally consumed by it enough to become the mask you adopted for yourself?

[Floofybit]

I believe race mixing to be wrong

What the heck?

[Glengo Island]

Bisexual spaces frequently lament how they have a wider dating pool but get rejected by more people as consequence. Not to mention how dating Trans people being a no-go for some, be it preference or worse (most often worse, especially for women). If someone's so unwilling to mix races (peak Apartheid behaviour), wouldn't excluding partners on such criteria also be easy to grasp? I'd ask if Saiwania is queer enough to know these things, but I and everyone probably know the answer. Those who become girlfriends rather than boyfriends were probably able to do so more easily after transitioning because they were HAPPY WITH THEMSELVES FOR ONCE, which includes confidence and being at peace with BEING ALIVE. "Artificial" dysphoria is a handy way of double agent-ing oneself about coming out because, I don't know, they actually WANTED TO ALL THIS TIME.

I find it hard not to use every combination of profanity I can muster. A gottverdamt MANIFESTO??!? Thinking like a woman to find love sounds like "EMPATHY" or some other word devoid from its vocabulary. Who knew being aware of someone's concerns and appreciations made them like you more?

I'd recommend at minimum androgyny, but there are enough fascist femboys (i.e: any number above zero) to sadden me.

This is some master bait. Bravo. Speaking of, I hear guys think clearly after doing so. I'll at least be a step closer to forgetting I read this.

[Saiwania]

Those who become girlfriends rather than boyfriends were probably able to do so more easily after transitioning because they were HAPPY WITH THEMSELVES FOR ONCE, which includes confidence and being at peace with BEING ALIVE. "Artificial" dysphoria is a handy way of double agent-ing oneself about coming out because, I don't know, they actually WANTED TO ALL THIS TIME.

It simply isn't true though, if their reasons for transitioning weren't because they feel they're in the wrong body in the first place, but because they can't get laid as a male or if it is because they're dissatisfied with how the male gender role is in society, and want to trade that in for becoming a woman if they believe that the female gender role has superior perks/benefits.

[Hwiteard]

I'd recommend at minimum androgyny, but there are enough fascist femboys (i.e: any number above zero) to sadden me.

There is indeed no correlation whatsoever between intelligence and physical attractiveness.

[Fractalnavel]

I'd recommend at minimum androgyny, but there are enough fascist femboys (i.e: any number above zero) to sadden me.

There is indeed no correlation whatsoever between intelligence and physical attractiveness.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ntelligent ?

[Hwiteard]

There is indeed no correlation whatsoever between intelligence and physical attractiveness.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ntelligent ?

I retract my earlier statement.

[Fahran]

The thing about gender being a social construct, and decoupling trans identity from gender dysphoria as has been a fairly common practice in the TDT, is that there's not really much reason to object in principle to the thought that a man might desire to become a woman to reap a particular set of social benefits and privileges.

You can, of course, point out that transmaxxing is stupid, incoherent nonsense, but, then, many ideas and concepts that have been brought up in conversations surrounding gender and sexuality have been stupid, incoherent nonsense - such as most neo-pronouns, the concept of a nonbinary lesbian, etc. It's not gatekeeping to point out when someone's experimentation or exploration of gender has arrived at dubious conclusions or has so mangled existing concepts as to become incoherent. And that's what is happening here.

Even worse, this just blatantly disregards the actual experiences of trans-women and, beyond that, just strikes me as appallingly gross. And, yes, I've read the manifesto. I didn't get all the way through because, again, it was appallingly gross.

Mind you, this could be actual trans women coping really hard with the fact that they're experiencing gender dysphoria, but, given the usual insanity of incel forums, I'd take them at their word until we can demonstrate otherwise. Because this is absolutely the sort of stupid, incoherent nonsense an obscure incel internet forum would come up with.