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The Return Of Book Bannings

Postby Jewish Underground State » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:33 pm

Like many other people I though banning books was a thing of the past, however I was wrong. Recently many schools have taken to banning and challenging books. The most commonly banned books are ones that cover topics like LGBTQ+ Romance, The Holocaust, The History of Racism and really any issue that is seen as controversial. This is because it isn't school staff banning the books but rather parents who believe this issues should not be talked about in schools.

For example a few years ago for my English class, we read a book about the horrors of American Slavery. One of the parents pushed for 47 to be banned and when my school refused the family left the school the next year. This was a private school and private schools don't have as many banned books. This issue effects mainly Public Schools.

While America and other countries banning books isn't odd what is odd is the amount of them being purged. So what's your stance on this issue? Do you support these bannings or do you think they are unjustified?
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Postby Diaboland » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:36 pm

Oh hell nah. This is a hill I have wanted to die on ever since I was young. But this is a new level: literally teaching our kids revisionist history, and that everything is perfect, always has, and always will be.

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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:38 pm

It’s not just book banning. The self-censorship the radical right has introduced into the education system is pervasive. They cry about saying slurs at work no longer being acceptable, but then harass schools into firing teachers who suggest racism could still exist or that gay people are ok. And with the GOP outright trying to criminalize these, it’s pretty obvious the “muh free speech” has never been genuine.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:43 pm

El Lazaro wrote:It’s not just book banning. The self-censorship the radical right has introduced into the education system is pervasive. They cry about saying slurs at work no longer being acceptable, but then harass schools into firing teachers who suggest racism could still exist or that gay people are ok. And with the GOP outright trying to criminalize these, it’s pretty obvious the “muh free speech” has never been genuine.

The GOP claims their enemies do similar things. They don't. They are the ones behind this whole movement to undermine free speech. I wonder if this is a problem for other countries.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:40 pm

This is primarily blowback from the right wing. They perceive the public education system to have been taken over by liberals for too long, and using whatever political powers they still have, are setting out to wrest back control over schools or to retake the narrative which is more unfavorable to their side to become less favorable to their political opposition instead.

It is no different than if this website for example, banned a group for bigotry, then the bigots were somehow able to complain to a higher authority, and the higher ranking people who agree/align with the bigots, were able to force this website to cave into the bigots' demands at the previous in group's expense.

The right wing in general wants to be the ones to brainwash children or to micromanage what they're learning instead of letting their political opponents to continue holding a monopoly on that. A giant part of this by default, is doing a purge of influences/literature they find objectionable to replace it with their own books/materials that they approve of. It is all just a zero sum game of which side will win the culture wars or destiny of the nation/society.
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Postby Ottomahn Empire » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:44 pm

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:49 pm

Unban. The. Books. NOW.
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Postby Floofybit » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:57 pm

Honestly, I'm all for banning books. However, mostly just books with excessive swearing or sexual topics. Basically, rated R books should be kept of school libraries. Anyways, I should stop using "XXX," at the beginning of my sentences.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:59 pm

For clarity, this is really only something seen in Red states. Anywhere the GOP has a stranglehold on the government, the crippling of education follows.
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Postby Asherahan » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:02 pm

You people ban books talking about the Holocaust?
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:03 pm

Saiwania wrote:This is primarily blowback from the right wing. They perceive the public education system to have been taken over by liberals for too long, and using whatever political powers they still have, are setting out to wrest back control over schools or to retake the narrative which is more unfavorable to their side to become less favorable to their political opposition instead.

It is no different than if this website for example, banned a group for bigotry, then the bigots were somehow able to complain to a higher authority, and the higher ranking people who agree/align with the bigots, were able to force this website to cave into the bigots' demands at the previous in group's expense.

The right wing in general wants to be the ones to brainwash children or to micromanage what they're learning instead of letting their political opponents to continue holding a monopoly on that. A giant part of this by default, is doing a purge of influences/literature they find objectionable to replace it with their own books/materials that they approve of. It is all just a zero sum game of which side will win the culture wars or destiny of the nation/society.


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Postby Juansonia » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:14 pm

Floofybit wrote:Honestly, I'm all for banning books. However, mostly just books with excessive swearing or sexual topics. Basically, rated R books should be kept of school libraries. Anyways, I should stop using "XXX," at the beginning of my sentences.

The "R-rated" designation only applies to movies. How the fuck would a book be rated on the MPAA scale?

Also, banning books is cringe.
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Postby Bahrimontagn » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:37 pm

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Postby Diaboland » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:16 pm

Floofybit wrote:Honestly, I'm all for banning books. However, mostly just books with excessive swearing or sexual topics. Basically, rated R books should be kept of school libraries. Anyways, I should stop using "XXX," at the beginning of my sentences.


I've read many books with swearing, and I never swear. Not a moral or religious thing, I just don't like doing it personally but am not offended when others swear around me.

And sexual topics? Yeah that turned out great...

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Postby Jewish Underground State » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:20 pm

Diaboland wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Honestly, I'm all for banning books. However, mostly just books with excessive swearing or sexual topics. Basically, rated R books should be kept of school libraries. Anyways, I should stop using "XXX," at the beginning of my sentences.


I've read many books with swearing, and I never swear. Not a moral or religious thing, I just don't like doing it personally but am not offended when others swear around me.

And sexual topics? Yeah that turned out great...

That's the excuse for going after books having LGBTQ themes. They are the books that get banned the most in the states. Great for the book banners, terrible for readers
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Postby Loeje » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:21 pm

As Heine said, "Where one burns books, there one eventually burns people."

I was very upset to see many of the books I read as a child being banned, especially books that talk about antisemitism and the Holocaust. It's no wonder that so many young people are antisemitic now. Children should be taught about the facts, not what their parents think is the most harmless. The purpose of history is to prevent us from repeating the same mistakes, so it's horrible that we now have people trying to prevent history from being taught. I expect that we will be repeating history again.
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Postby Diaboland » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:23 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Diaboland wrote:
I've read many books with swearing, and I never swear. Not a moral or religious thing, I just don't like doing it personally but am not offended when others swear around me.

And sexual topics? Yeah that turned out great...

That's the excuse for going after books having LGBTQ themes. They are the books that get banned the most in the states. Great for the book banners, terrible for readers


Funny how conservatives act like one LGBTQ book will magically turn their kids gay/trans in an instant. Yet almost every book I've read has some form of romance in it and I still turned out asexual-spectrum 8)

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Postby Jewish Underground State » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:24 pm

Loeje wrote:As Heine said, "Where one burns books, there one eventually burns people."

I was very upset to see many of the books I read as a child being banned, especially books that talk about antisemitism and the Holocaust. It's no wonder that so many young people are antisemitic now. Children should be taught about the facts, not what their parents think is the most harmless. The purpose of history is to prevent us from repeating the same mistakes, so it's horrible that we now have people trying to prevent history from being taught. I expect that we will be repeating history again.

When Maus was banned one of the reasons given for why it was banned was the school wanted to teach a less Harmful Holocaust. This means that books aren't just being banned to silence history, they are also being banned to rewrite history.

Funny thing is that Russia gave similar reasons to banning Maus before the school did.
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Postby Loeje » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:30 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Loeje wrote:As Heine said, "Where one burns books, there one eventually burns people."

I was very upset to see many of the books I read as a child being banned, especially books that talk about antisemitism and the Holocaust. It's no wonder that so many young people are antisemitic now. Children should be taught about the facts, not what their parents think is the most harmless. The purpose of history is to prevent us from repeating the same mistakes, so it's horrible that we now have people trying to prevent history from being taught. I expect that we will be repeating history again.

When Maus was banned one of the reasons given for why it was banned was the school wanted to teach a less Harmful Holocaust. This means that books aren't just being banned to silence history, they are also being banned to rewrite history.

Funny thing is that Russia gave similar reasons to banning Maus before the school did.

Maus is one of the books I was thinking of, actually. I read it when I was very young.

Everyone should know how incredibly destructive and evil the Holocaust was, otherwise we really do risk repeating it. I already see incredibly terrifying rhetoric from some people, saying that they would prefer Hitler to Biden and things like that. That is exactly why teaching accurate history is so important.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:34 pm

Loeje wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:When Maus was banned one of the reasons given for why it was banned was the school wanted to teach a less Harmful Holocaust. This means that books aren't just being banned to silence history, they are also being banned to rewrite history.

Funny thing is that Russia gave similar reasons to banning Maus before the school did.

Maus is one of the books I was thinking of, actually. I read it when I was very young.

Everyone should know how incredibly destructive and evil the Holocaust was, otherwise we really do risk repeating it. I already see incredibly terrifying rhetoric from some people, saying that they would prefer Hitler to Biden and things like that. That is exactly why teaching accurate history is so important.

Its not even just the holocaust, the example I gave was a book about American slavery. While its more historical fiction, it gives an objective look at American slavery. Most public schools wouldn't dare to pick it up. Sadly I forgot its name
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Postby Regnum Alea Spaceflee » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:44 pm

What the fuck is the world now....Free speech does not exist, LGBTQ people are hated for no goddamn reason and people are hated by how much melanin they have in their skin. What in the actual fuck.
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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:47 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:Like many other people I though banning books was a thing of the past, however I was wrong. Recently many schools have taken to banning and challenging books. The most commonly banned books are ones that cover topics like LGBTQ+ Romance, The Holocaust, The History of Racism and really any issue that is seen as controversial. This is because it isn't school staff banning the books but rather parents who believe this issues should not be talked about in schools.

For example a few years ago for my English class, we read a book about the horrors of American Slavery. One of the parents pushed for 47 to be banned and when my school refused the family left the school the next year. This was a private school and private schools don't have as many banned books. This issue effects mainly Public Schools.

While America and other countries banning books isn't odd what is odd is the amount of them being purged. So what's your stance on this issue? Do you support these bannings or do you think they are unjustified?

Parents just don't want indoctrination and blood libels against the Founding Fathers being pushed on their kids. You can read any book you want in private.

The fact of the matter is that the Founders were a coalition of Abolitionists and reform-minded slave owners who wanted less slavery. The Tories created racism and race slavery in America, and the American Revolution was about breaking up the colonial system -- the first successful anti-colonialist revolution.

The entire foundation of racism has always been to deny constitutional rights to ethnic minorities -- racial divisionism of any kind is a counter-revolution to overthrow the American Revolution, as is the push to ban free speech and vilify anti-colonialist revolutionaries in schools.

Real anti-racists support unlimited extension of the Constitution to protect all people.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:52 pm

Regnum Alea Spaceflee wrote:What the fuck is the world now....Free speech does not exist, LGBTQ people are hated for no goddamn reason and people are hated by how much melanin they have in their skin. What in the actual fuck.

It's not like it's new. This has been going on since the dawn of time. Sad, isn't it?
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Floofybit wrote:
Regnum Alea Spaceflee wrote:
What the fuck is the world now....Free speech does not exist, LGBTQ people are hated for no goddamn reason and people are hated by how much melanin they have in their skin. What in the actual fuck.
It's not like it's new. This has been going on since the dawn of time. Sad, isn't it?
What? Racial Oppression or Anti-LGBT Reactionaries? (That’s a modernist thing... not prehistoric!)
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Postby Regnum Alea Spaceflee » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:55 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Regnum Alea Spaceflee wrote:What the fuck is the world now....Free speech does not exist, LGBTQ people are hated for no goddamn reason and people are hated by how much melanin they have in their skin. What in the actual fuck.

It's not like it's new. This has been going on since the dawn of time. Sad, isn't it?

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