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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:33 pm

"This prohibits the seizure, destruction, or even assault of vessels themselves conducting piracy or vessels suspected of harboring criminals or in the process of carrying out some crime, such as smuggling or trafficking. How this is even remotely acceptable to our voting body boggles the mind."
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Qelmar
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Postby Qelmar » Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:56 pm

Wallenburg wrote:"This prohibits the seizure, destruction, or even assault of vessels themselves conducting piracy or vessels suspected of harboring criminals or in the process of carrying out some crime, such as smuggling or trafficking. How this is even remotely acceptable to our voting body boggles the mind."


Wouldn't "with malicious intent" play a role there? Mens rea and all that.
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:09 pm

Qelmar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"This prohibits the seizure, destruction, or even assault of vessels themselves conducting piracy or vessels suspected of harboring criminals or in the process of carrying out some crime, such as smuggling or trafficking. How this is even remotely acceptable to our voting body boggles the mind."


Wouldn't "with malicious intent" play a role there? Mens rea and all that.

"The state entirely intends to do harm to criminal operations. Are we really expected to interpret this as to give member states such latitude as to declare whichever actions they please 'non-malicious'?"
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:27 am

Combating International Piracy was passed 11,752 votes to 3,126.
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Contrarian Extraordinaire
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Postby Contrarian Extraordinaire » Tue May 09, 2023 12:49 pm

"Unfortunately, the Strange Reality is unable to comply with this resolution. The resolution prohibits the act of 'damag[ing] or otherwise harm[ing] a ship, its equipment, its passengers and/or its cargo to the extent that it endangers the operation and/or safety of the ship'. However, the only propulsion system for ships in the Strange Reality requires them to regularly fire upon each other, which can somtimes harm a ship to the extent of endangering its safety; especially when it is the only nearby ship to fire upon."

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Simone Republic
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Postby Simone Republic » Mon May 15, 2023 3:46 am

Actually you cannot escape this one.

If a pirate enters your territory, if no one else requests extradition, you are required to arrest them and charge them with a crime regardless of whether you even have ships or seas for that matter.
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Postby Contrarian Extraordinaire » Mon May 15, 2023 1:22 pm

Simone Republic wrote:Actually you cannot escape this one.

If a pirate enters your territory, if no one else requests extradition, you are required to arrest them and charge them with a crime regardless of whether you even have ships or seas for that matter.

"We are not merely trying to 'escape this one'. We are simply unable to comply, despite our best desire to do so. In this case, our non-compliance is to do with Section 1b only. If our ships do not regularly fire upon other ships, they cannot be propelled, as this is the only propulsion mechanism for ships which works within the Strange Reality. If there is no other ship around, this would often therefore result in 'damag[ing] or otherwise harm[ing] a ship, its equipment, its passengers and/or its cargo to the extent that it endangers the operation and/or safety of the ship'. This is not a result of Contrarians lacking ships or seas, as we have both, but rather, physics within the Strange Reality forcing us to perform those acts the resolution prohibits; or alternatively entirely cease sending any ships whatsoever to sea."

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Postby Simone Republic » Mon May 15, 2023 6:58 pm

The laws of the Romans on aut dedere aut judicare in clause 3b are superior to the laws of physics in your universe.
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