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Postby El Lazaro » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:13 am

Ok well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s technically true.

PM Fumio Kishida has decided on a defense spending hike of nearly 60% (16 trillion yen or $125 billion dollars) to Japan’s 2023-2027 budget, bringing Japan’s annual spending well over that of Russia. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party seeks to double the budget of the Self-Defense Forces within the next decade in response to mounting belligerence from Russia and China. 51% support the measure, and 42% all oppose it, according to a Japanese pollster.

Article 9 of the post-war constitution prohibits the use of war to settle international disputes, and prevents the existence of an offensive military. The LDP has previously advocated for the abolition of the article, and critics allege the new military plan - which would expand missile strike capabilities and bolster deterrence - is an unconstitutional violation of Japanese non-aggression. China has called the move a dangerous escalation and a threat to international peace, and Russia recently deployed missile defense systems to the disputed Kuril Islands.

So, NSG, thoughts? Is Japan justified in its military buildup? Is the region at risk, and why?

Personally, I believe America and its allies must be prepared against emerging totalitarian empires. Even if it jeopardizes the principle of pacifism, rebuilding the Japanese military is important for deterring a major war and curbing unprovoked aggression from the enemies of democracy.

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Postby Illegal Planets » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:17 am

Totally agree.

El Lazaro wrote:Personally, I believe America and its allies must be prepared against emerging totalitarian empires. Even if it jeopardizes the principle of pacifism, rebuilding the Japanese military is important for deterring a major war and curbing unprovoked aggression from the enemies of democracy.
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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:20 am

El Lazaro wrote:Ok well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s technically true.

PM Fumio Kishida has decided on a defense spending hike of nearly 60% (16 trillion yen or $125 billion dollars) to Japan’s 2023-2027 budget, bringing Japan’s annual spending well over that of Russia. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party seeks to double the budget of the Self-Defense Forces within the next decade in response to mounting belligerence from Russia and China. 51% support the measure, and 42% all oppose it, according to a Japanese pollster.

Article 9 of the post-war constitution prohibits the use of war to settle international disputes, and prevents the existence of an offensive military. The LDP has previously advocated for the abolition of the article, and critics allege the new military plan - which would expand missile strike capabilities and bolster deterrence - is an unconstitutional violation of Japanese non-aggression. China has called the move a dangerous escalation and a threat to international peace, and Russia recently deployed missile defense systems to the disputed Kuril Islands.

So, NSG, thoughts? Is Japan justified in its military buildup? Is the region at risk, and why?

Personally, I believe America and its allies must be prepared against emerging totalitarian empires. Even if it jeopardizes the principle of pacifism, rebuilding the Japanese military is important for deterring a major war and curbing unprovoked aggression from the enemies of democracy.

In my opinion, it's always better to leave a gun cocked, to defend yourself, than a gun with an empty cartridge, what Japan is doing is just wanting to protect itself, it has the right to arm itself, as other countries do, it's a matter of defending your nation from abroad.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:28 am

El Lazaro wrote:Ok well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s technically true.

PM Fumio Kishida has decided on a defense spending hike of nearly 60% (16 trillion yen or $125 billion dollars) to Japan’s 2023-2027 budget, bringing Japan’s annual spending well over that of Russia. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party seeks to double the budget of the Self-Defense Forces within the next decade in response to mounting belligerence from Russia and China. 51% support the measure, and 42% all oppose it, according to a Japanese pollster.

Article 9 of the post-war constitution prohibits the use of war to settle international disputes, and prevents the existence of an offensive military. The LDP has previously advocated for the abolition of the article, and critics allege the new military plan - which would expand missile strike capabilities and bolster deterrence - is an unconstitutional violation of Japanese non-aggression. China has called the move a dangerous escalation and a threat to international peace, and Russia recently deployed missile defense systems to the disputed Kuril Islands.

So, NSG, thoughts? Is Japan justified in its military buildup? Is the region at risk, and why?

Personally, I believe America and its allies must be prepared against emerging totalitarian empires. Even if it jeopardizes the principle of pacifism, rebuilding the Japanese military is important for deterring a major war and curbing unprovoked aggression from the enemies of democracy.

Prepared for what? Selling them weapons?
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Postby Kalivyah » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:47 am

El Lazaro wrote:Ok well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s technically true.

PM Fumio Kishida has decided on a defense spending hike of nearly 60% (16 trillion yen or $125 billion dollars) to Japan’s 2023-2027 budget, bringing Japan’s annual spending well over that of Russia. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party seeks to double the budget of the Self-Defense Forces within the next decade in response to mounting belligerence from Russia and China. 51% support the measure, and 42% all oppose it, according to a Japanese pollster.

Article 9 of the post-war constitution prohibits the use of war to settle international disputes, and prevents the existence of an offensive military. The LDP has previously advocated for the abolition of the article, and critics allege the new military plan - which would expand missile strike capabilities and bolster deterrence - is an unconstitutional violation of Japanese non-aggression. China has called the move a dangerous escalation and a threat to international peace, and Russia recently deployed missile defense systems to the disputed Kuril Islands.

So, NSG, thoughts? Is Japan justified in its military buildup? Is the region at risk, and why?

Personally, I believe America and its allies must be prepared against emerging totalitarian empires. Even if it jeopardizes the principle of pacifism, rebuilding the Japanese military is important for deterring a major war and curbing unprovoked aggression from the enemies of democracy.


Japan has no business spiking their military budget when they know they don't even have the manpower nor the resources to field such a larger army. That shit could be used for something else.
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Postby Kalivyah » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:48 am

GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Ok well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s technically true.

PM Fumio Kishida has decided on a defense spending hike of nearly 60% (16 trillion yen or $125 billion dollars) to Japan’s 2023-2027 budget, bringing Japan’s annual spending well over that of Russia. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party seeks to double the budget of the Self-Defense Forces within the next decade in response to mounting belligerence from Russia and China. 51% support the measure, and 42% all oppose it, according to a Japanese pollster.

Article 9 of the post-war constitution prohibits the use of war to settle international disputes, and prevents the existence of an offensive military. The LDP has previously advocated for the abolition of the article, and critics allege the new military plan - which would expand missile strike capabilities and bolster deterrence - is an unconstitutional violation of Japanese non-aggression. China has called the move a dangerous escalation and a threat to international peace, and Russia recently deployed missile defense systems to the disputed Kuril Islands.

So, NSG, thoughts? Is Japan justified in its military buildup? Is the region at risk, and why?

Personally, I believe America and its allies must be prepared against emerging totalitarian empires. Even if it jeopardizes the principle of pacifism, rebuilding the Japanese military is important for deterring a major war and curbing unprovoked aggression from the enemies of democracy.

In my opinion, it's always better to leave a gun cocked, to defend yourself, than a gun with an empty cartridge, what Japan is doing is just wanting to protect itself, it has the right to arm itself, as other countries do, it's a matter of defending your nation from abroad.

There is a tremendous difference between owning a small caliber pistol for self defense and owning multiple machine guns.
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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:50 am

Kalivyah wrote:
GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:In my opinion, it's always better to leave a gun cocked, to defend yourself, than a gun with an empty cartridge, what Japan is doing is just wanting to protect itself, it has the right to arm itself, as other countries do, it's a matter of defending your nation from abroad.

There is a tremendous difference between owning a small caliber pistol for self defense and owning multiple machine guns.

It is an example of always being prepared my dear friend.
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Postby Cuba 2022 RP » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:51 am

Japan ruining itself.


If only the pacifist Social Democratic Party would gain more traction…
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:51 am

Japan is only reaching a new chapter of it's destiny. Like the apprentice becoming an equal master. The US forbid Japan from rearming after defeating them, then immediately asked Japan to forget about their silly or short sighted prohibition and rearm once the cold war got going, but Japan refused. Now they're seemingly finally ready to move beyond focusing only on economic progress.

Japan is effectively as rich as they're able to get, it is overdue to reinvest that money into their own defense and ambitions in that they've earned it. The alliance is still there, but now they're restoring their full sovereignty. This is not anything to fear. They'll be a splendid fellow power.
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Postby Nora Xent » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:52 am

I do not trust the japanese with a bigger and stronger military, especially when Nippon Kaigi has a lot of power over the LDP.

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Postby Kalivyah » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:53 am

Saiwania wrote:Japan is only reaching a new chapter of it's destiny. Like the apprentice becoming an equal master. The US forbid Japan from rearming after defeating them, then immediately asked Japan to forget about their silly or short sighted prohibition and rearm once the cold war got going, but Japan refused. Now they're seemingly finally ready to move beyond focusing only on economic progress.

Japan is effectively as rich as they're able to get, it is overdue to reinvest that money into their own defense and ambitions in that they've earned it. The alliance is still there, but now they're restoring their full sovereignty. This is not anything to fear. They'll be a splendid fellow power.

This is about as much of a Saiwania response as one should expect from Saiwania!
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Postby Vikanias » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:56 am

Let’s nuke em a third time
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Postby Dalavi » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:59 am

and a 4th....and a 5th and a 6th....screw it use all the world's nukes on japan, see what kind of genres it makes
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Postby Cuba 2022 RP » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:00 pm

Vikanias wrote:Let’s nuke em a third time

I don’t think that’s the concern. I’m sure Japan will stay an American ally for the entire foreseeable future now. I just don’t like the escalation, and I also liked how Japan was pacifist as I’m a pacifist myself.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:00 pm

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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:03 pm

Japan has an agreement with both Taiwan and South Korea, if one is attacked, Japan will also attack the aggressor, Japan can and must rearm, to ensure peace in East Asia and also the order in the Pacific.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:07 pm

I find the title misleading, as Japan is not preparing for war, just increasing military sending.

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Postby Sordhau » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Ok well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s technically true.

PM Fumio Kishida has decided on a defense spending hike of nearly 60% (16 trillion yen or $125 billion dollars) to Japan’s 2023-2027 budget, bringing Japan’s annual spending well over that of Russia. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party seeks to double the budget of the Self-Defense Forces within the next decade in response to mounting belligerence from Russia and China. 51% support the measure, and 42% all oppose it, according to a Japanese pollster.

Article 9 of the post-war constitution prohibits the use of war to settle international disputes, and prevents the existence of an offensive military. The LDP has previously advocated for the abolition of the article, and critics allege the new military plan - which would expand missile strike capabilities and bolster deterrence - is an unconstitutional violation of Japanese non-aggression. China has called the move a dangerous escalation and a threat to international peace, and Russia recently deployed missile defense systems to the disputed Kuril Islands.

So, NSG, thoughts? Is Japan justified in its military buildup? Is the region at risk, and why?

Personally, I believe America and its allies must be prepared against emerging totalitarian empires. Even if it jeopardizes the principle of pacifism, rebuilding the Japanese military is important for deterring a major war and curbing unprovoked aggression from the enemies of democracy.

Prepared for what? Selling them weapons?


The disconnect between Liberal propaganda and the realities of Liberal foreign policy is astounding sometimes. Liberal warhawks have shown time and again they don't care about spreading Liberal ideology so much as they do ensuring the continued flow of capital to the benefit of corporate shareholders and the detriment of working class laborers. The West only opposes totalitarianism when said totalitarians are getting in the way of their profit margins. This has always been the case and will always be the case. It's pure copium to believe otherwise at this point.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:27 pm

They are scared shitless of North Korea and China. Dont really blame them
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Postby The Gas Kussolova » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:44 pm

Who can blame them? Russia, China, and North Korea are their neighbors.

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Postby Utquiagvik » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:45 pm

The Gas Kussolova wrote:Who can blame them? Russia, China, and North Korea are their neighbors.

You know you’re in a bad spot if those countries neighbor you.
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Postby Informed Consent » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:57 pm

Celritannia wrote:I find the title misleading, as Japan is not preparing for war, just increasing military sending.

You mean that if I buy an AR-15, I am not obligated to engage in a mass shooting?
Good to know.
Anyway, whatever Japan is up to, the current paradigm is self-defeating.
In the light of current events, the questionable character of some neighbors, and that the US is no longer a party of good faith in defense agreements, it is long past time for Japan to take off the collar and put more of its defense into its own hands.
At this juncture, a reinvigorated and autonomous Japanese military culture may work out better than in days past.
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Postby Sordhau » Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:00 pm

Informed Consent wrote:
Celritannia wrote:I find the title misleading, as Japan is not preparing for war, just increasing military sending.

You mean that if I buy an AR-15, I am not obligated to engage in a mass shooting?
Good to know.


If this was supposed to be a "gotcha" it's a rather piss-poor attempt since the AR-15's association with mass shootings is erroneous. The majority of mass shootings involve handguns, and even for the ones that don't the AR-15 still doesn't stand out statistically.
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