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0cala
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Bakivaland
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Postby Bakivaland » Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:28 pm

First of all, mispronouncing pronouns becoming illegal is an absolutely terrible idea. Second of all, this is poorly made and doesn't give much reason to why we should vote for it. And also, many countries are very much against transgenderism, and they would most likely leave the World Assembly if this was passed. Also, clauses 4 and 6 make it feel like transgenders get better education and healthcare then non-trans, and some nations don't even offer education and/or healthcare. I oppose this, and I'm sure many other nations would oppose this.
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ThePlague
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Postby ThePlague » Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:34 pm

Not that I don't support trans rights, but, the way this was written, so, you mean that those that are trans must have better education that those who aren't trans?
Also, this may duplicate many other resolutions.
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Outer Sparta
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:45 pm

Have you looked at current WA resolutions on transgender issues?
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:58 pm

(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly! I see that you have already submitted your proposal. Although posting a draft here does allow the GA regulars to give feedback, there is little purpose in doing so if a draft has already been submitted. Especially for a first-time proposal, I would recommend letting the draft gather feedback for a little while longer before it is submitted.

This would have revealed the existence of GA #091 Convention on Gender and GA #457 Defending the Rights of Gender and Sexual Minorities. Both of these enact much of the regulations that you seek to create, in combination with GA #035 The Charter of Civil Rights.

Because of that, it would be redundant to have another proposal on this topic. Your current one is illegal for duplication. Unless you can find a niche that is not already covered, this area seems very much addressed. However, there are still some relevant points on your draft. Generally, you could be more precise with your mandates. What is “the opposite bathroom”? How would that apply to nations where unisex bathrooms are common? Surely someone who is transgender is simply using the usual bathroom for that gender, rather than anything opposite?

Incidentally, Bakivaland, I don’t think that your comment with regards to how many countries support transgender identities were particularly helpful, for two reasons. First, there are also two resolutions specifically addressing transgender rights. Second, the GA generally does support progressive issues, as voting trends demonstrate. Some degree of background knowledge is useful to give meaningful commentary on drafts.)
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Postby Godular » Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:24 pm

Pretty sure this is illegal due to legislating on non-member nations... in addition to all the other stuff.
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Medzhumoramia
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Postby Medzhumoramia » Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:34 pm

Bakivaland wrote: many countries are very much against transgenderism, and they would most likely leave the World Assembly if this was passed..


The WA has been a distillery for an ever-more-niche overton window for years by not caring that its resolutions are radical and that many nations find the current canon of GARs to be outright evil.

Leaving is no fun though. Why leave when you can engage in flagrant Non-Compliance while maintaining your voting power? :shock: :? ....not that our nation is non-compliant or anything.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:01 pm

Medzhumoramia wrote:
Bakivaland wrote: many countries are very much against transgenderism, and they would most likely leave the World Assembly if this was passed..


The WA has been a distillery for an ever-more-niche overton window for years by not caring that its resolutions are radical and that many nations find the current canon of GARs to be outright evil.

Leaving is no fun though. Why leave when you can engage in flagrant Non-Compliance while maintaining your voting power? :shock: :? ....not that our nation is non-compliant or anything.

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So, you acknowledge that leaving is no fun and that nations can be non-compliant and maintain voting power, but you also believe that many nations are against the current canon of GA resolutions.

If those are both true, where are all the nations voting against progressive resolutions? If nations like yours can stay in the GA and still vote, then as Resolutions became more radical we should have seen an increase in Against margins. But we did not, if anything it's become even easier to pass progressive resolutions than in the past (see the trend for the Abortion debate... The GA debated abortion for many years and went back and forth with compromise resolutions... But now abortion is legal and the resolution doing so, On Abortion, has not been at risk for repeal). This trend is only possible if 1) nations have left the WA in significant numbers or 2) nations in the WA have become more progressive over time. I'm inclined to believe the latter in the absence of evidence for the former.
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:35 pm

I was busy IRL for the one hour this draft was up and therefore don't have a copy - but it is typically considered poor etiquette to just wipe your draft off the face of the earth.
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Postby Medzhumoramia » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:57 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Medzhumoramia wrote:
The WA has been a distillery for an ever-more-niche overton window for years by not caring that its resolutions are radical and that many nations find the current canon of GARs to be outright evil.

Leaving is no fun though. Why leave when you can engage in flagrant Non-Compliance while maintaining your voting power? :shock: :? ....not that our nation is non-compliant or anything.

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So, you acknowledge that leaving is no fun and that nations can be non-compliant and maintain voting power, but you also believe that many nations are against the current canon of GA resolutions.

If those are both true, where are all the nations voting against progressive resolutions? If nations like yours can stay in the GA and still vote, then as Resolutions became more radical we should have seen an increase in Against margins. But we did not, if anything it's become even easier to pass progressive resolutions than in the past (see the trend for the Abortion debate... The GA debated abortion for many years and went back and forth with compromise resolutions... But now abortion is legal and the resolution doing so, On Abortion, has not been at risk for repeal). This trend is only possible if 1) nations have left the WA in significant numbers or 2) nations in the WA have become more progressive over time. I'm inclined to believe the latter in the absence of evidence for the former.


OOC: Just because leaving isnt fun (or more specifically, my representative to the WA says "its no fun when nations leave the WA") doesn't mean people dont do it, or more so avoid entering their nation into it. Also, when your organization consists of tens of thousands of nations, then there exists a "many" which isnt even near "most"
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Postby 0cala » Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:50 pm

Tinhampton wrote:I was busy IRL for the one hour this draft was up and therefore don't have a copy - but it is typically considered poor etiquette to just wipe your draft off the face of the earth.

I made it as a joke to IRL

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Postby Potted Plants United » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:43 am

0cala wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:I was busy IRL for the one hour this draft was up and therefore don't have a copy - but it is typically considered poor etiquette to just wipe your draft off the face of the earth.

I made it as a joke to IRL

OOC: Then it's spam as there is a separate thread for joke proposals.
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