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(Submitted) Repeal SCR #52: Condemn The Black Hawks

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(Submitted) Repeal SCR #52: Condemn The Black Hawks

Postby Hustlertwo » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:16 am

Decided to try my hand at a repeal that seems rather timely in the face of recent events. Please feel free to give suggestions on anything else that can beef it up before it is submitted for consideration.


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DOUBTFUL that The Black Hawks have maintained the level of fear-inducing activity described in this earlier measure,

NOTING that the recent passage of SCR #425, repealing a treasured condemnation of prominent Black Hawks general Ever-Wandering Souls, effectively detailed the impotent flailing and idle bluster that have been a hallmark for the organization as a whole in recent times,

FURTHER NOTING that concerns over their ability to subvert democracy should now be dashed to pieces after the spectacular failure of TBH and their allies to have any notable impact on the votes for the aforementioned resolution #425, which passed with ease despite both legitimate telegram campaigns and widespread (but mostly ineffectual) invasions on behalf of this raider faction to keep the condemnation intact,

HIGHLY SKEPTICAL that The Black Hawks have maintained sufficient notoriety to justify two unrepealed condemnations,

CONCEDING that, if a condemnation should remain for The Black Hawks, resolution #217 presents a much more cohesive and detailed picture of the region's actions than this resolution, which hails from a more archaic age of this body's history,

UNIMPRESSED that, outside of the now-refuted concept of The Black Hawks being able to circumvent democracy through the forceful passing of a measure, SCR #52 offers precious little in the way of details as to what the organization has actually accomplished,

CLARIFYING that, while this region may indeed have exerted control of a number of regions in the multiverse, the vast majority of these were miniscule, inactive, or both, rendering these conquests as having very little impact on the global balance of power,

AMUSED that this region's actions are as likely to hurt the overall cause of raiders within the multiverse as to help them, which makes them insufficiently worthy of being doubly condemned,

UNCERTAIN what remaining benefit there could be in leaving this condemnation open since it consists almost entirely of vagaries and now-disproven assumptions,

QUITE CERTAIN, however, that there is no justifiable reason for Black Hawks to be the sole double-condemned region in the multiverse when they are far from the most effective or notable raider organization in existence,

HEREBY REPEALS "Condemn The Black Hawks"
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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:24 pm

I see the vultures and opportunists are lining up, tripping over their own shoelaces….
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Postby The Serendipitous » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:57 pm

of course much of this resolution talks about other things (political things that i am unfamiliar with) but to me the bulk argument is that they are not worthy of two condemnations and this resolution is not compelling in convincing me of that. dont just doubt it. dont be skeptical. show me why its true.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:00 am

Wayneactia wrote:I see the vultures and opportunists are lining up, tripping over their own shoelaces….
Meh, repeal all the badges ever passed by the WA. Then make people fight for them in gladiatorial combat, and the winner gets their badge passed through the WA. Now that's what I'd pay to see.
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Postby The Universe World » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:18 am

I mean, it is certainly legal and well-written.
It would be a watershed moment if this passes, however. Whether said watershed moment is good or bad is your decision, dear reader.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:23 am

I'm not certain how threatening to invade regions who voted for a proposal over ten years ago is disproven by The Black Hawks' raiding a few days ago. And just because a raider (or anyone) is less active now doesn't negate previous levels of activity.


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Honeydewistania wrote:I'm not certain how threatening to invade regions who voted for a proposal over ten years ago is disproven by The Black Hawks' raiding a few days ago. And just because a raider (or anyone) is less active now doesn't negate previous levels of activity.

What proposal?
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The Universe World wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:I'm not certain how threatening to invade regions who voted for a proposal over ten years ago is disproven by The Black Hawks' raiding a few days ago. And just because a raider (or anyone) is less active now doesn't negate previous levels of activity.

What proposal?

...Condemn The Black Hawks? As cited in SC#52


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Honeydewistania wrote:
The Universe World wrote:What proposal?

...Condemn The Black Hawks? As cited in SC#52

I meant, what proposal were they threatening to invade over? And which regions?
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Postby Astrobolt » Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:34 pm

Full support for the idea but for this resolution I would want someone experienced to be the author, or potentially join you as a coauthor.
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Postby Wayneactia » Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:28 pm

Astrobolt wrote:Full support for the idea but for this resolution I would want someone experienced to be the author, or potentially join you as a coauthor.

I am quite sure it is already being worked on. As soon as the political fires are back down to a dull roar, I am quite sure Q or one of his puppets will have it up on the boards for us to “debate”…
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Wayneactia wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:Full support for the idea but for this resolution I would want someone experienced to be the author, or potentially join you as a coauthor.

I am quite sure it is already being worked on. As soon as the political fires are back down to a dull roar, I am quite sure Q or one of his puppets will have it up on the boards for us to “debate”…

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Wayneactia wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:Full support for the idea but for this resolution I would want someone experienced to be the author, or potentially join you as a coauthor.

I am quite sure it is already being worked on. As soon as the political fires are back down to a dull roar, I am quite sure Q or one of his puppets will have it up on the boards for us to “debate”…

This reads like a QAnon post, which is absolutely hilarious.
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Wayneactia wrote:I am quite sure it is already being worked on. As soon as the political fires are back down to a dull roar, I am quite sure Q or one of his puppets will have it up on the boards for us to “debate”…

This reads like a QAnon post, which is absolutely hilarious.


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Personally, I'd like to see some goddamn consistency from this council and its tyranny-by-majority.

If the same people that supported Repeal Condemn Koth and Repeal Condemn EWS actually believed the IC positions they took, they'd be stumbling over themselves to rally behind this proposal too.

But here we are. 3 days later, all we have here are Honeydew and Astrobolt pretending to have the standards they conveniently forgor during Repeal EWS.

Full send with the WA strategy of raider accomplishment erasure or get off the soapbox. This half-hearted shit is weak for a combined faction with so much political weight.
If you full send it, I'll actually support it. My near-constant siding with raiders in the public arena is enough to make one forget that I'm an indie here. I'm done trying to stomp the brake pedal on this crazy train. Lead foot all the way. Let's see if the path you want to take is really so great.
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RiderSyl wrote:Personally, I'd like to see some goddamn consistency from this council and its tyranny-by-majority.

If the same people that supported Repeal Condemn Koth and Repeal Condemn EWS actually believed the IC positions they took, they'd be stumbling over themselves to rally behind this proposal too.

But here we are. 3 days later, all we have here are Honeydew and Astrobolt pretending to have the standards they conveniently forgor during Repeal EWS.

Full send with the WA strategy of raider accomplishment erasure or get off the soapbox. This half-hearted shit is weak for a combined faction with so much political weight.
If you full send it, I'll actually support it. My near-constant siding with raiders in the public arena is enough to make one forget that I'm an indie here. I'm done trying to stomp the brake pedal on this crazy train. Lead foot all the way. Let's see if the path you want to take is really so great.

I will support it as well solely because I feel SC#52 is poorly written and irrelevant since TBH has another condemnation to fall back on.
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Postby Astrobolt » Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:19 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Personally, I'd like to see some goddamn consistency from this council and its tyranny-by-majority.

If the same people that supported Repeal Condemn Koth and Repeal Condemn EWS actually believed the IC positions they took, they'd be stumbling over themselves to rally behind this proposal too.

But here we are. 3 days later, all we have here are Honeydew and Astrobolt pretending to have the standards they conveniently forgor during Repeal EWS.


With all due respect, you have no clue what I believed regarding that proposal, what my thoughts were, what standards I value. Next time, keep your ridiculous comments to yourself.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:29 pm

Astrobolt wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Personally, I'd like to see some goddamn consistency from this council and its tyranny-by-majority.

If the same people that supported Repeal Condemn Koth and Repeal Condemn EWS actually believed the IC positions they took, they'd be stumbling over themselves to rally behind this proposal too.

But here we are. 3 days later, all we have here are Honeydew and Astrobolt pretending to have the standards they conveniently forgor during Repeal EWS.


With all due respect, you have no clue what I believed regarding that proposal, what my thoughts were, what standards I value. Next time, keep your ridiculous comments to yourself.

It's really not. If you supported the repeals of both Koth's and Souls badges, then why don't you support this one? Are we really too big to admit that quite obvious grudges don't influence our vote? Or is it all just "IN-CHARACTER"?
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:46 pm

The Universe World wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:...Condemn The Black Hawks? As cited in SC#52

I meant, what proposal were they threatening to invade over? And which regions?

Repeal "Condemn Ever-Wandering Souls", most notably attempted to invade FNR
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The Orwell Society wrote:
The Universe World wrote:I meant, what proposal were they threatening to invade over? And which regions?

Repeal "Condemn Ever-Wandering Souls", most notably attempted to invade FNR

Oh, I understand now.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:51 pm

Astrobolt wrote:With all due respect, you have no clue what I believed regarding that proposal, what my thoughts were, what standards I value. Next time, keep your ridiculous comments to yourself.

Is it really ridiculous, though? You're the Foreign Affairs Secretary of Ten Thousand Islands, one of the most anti-raider places in the whole game. You thought my arguments against Commend Tim made that commendee more desirable, not less. If the standards you value, the thoughts you have, what you believe is all different than the impression you've made upon me with your votes and your own comments, then it's really up to you to clear that up. Or be indifferent to it, if you want. Pearl-clutching like you are likely makes you seem a bit snobby to the average passerby.
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Postby Hustlertwo » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:41 am

The Universe World wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Personally, I'd like to see some goddamn consistency from this council and its tyranny-by-majority.

If the same people that supported Repeal Condemn Koth and Repeal Condemn EWS actually believed the IC positions they took, they'd be stumbling over themselves to rally behind this proposal too.

But here we are. 3 days later, all we have here are Honeydew and Astrobolt pretending to have the standards they conveniently forgor during Repeal EWS.

Full send with the WA strategy of raider accomplishment erasure or get off the soapbox. This half-hearted shit is weak for a combined faction with so much political weight.
If you full send it, I'll actually support it. My near-constant siding with raiders in the public arena is enough to make one forget that I'm an indie here. I'm done trying to stomp the brake pedal on this crazy train. Lead foot all the way. Let's see if the path you want to take is really so great.

I will support it as well solely because I feel SC#52 is poorly written and irrelevant since TBH has another condemnation to fall back on.


That was what prompted me to write this. 52 is clearly the weaker of their two condemnations, and the recent events proved it is a lot of worry over nothing. Black Hawks tried their best and still couldn't change the voting results enough to halt the repeal of a condemnation to one of their most notable members. This being a resolution primarily directed at exactly that scenario, which clearly is never going to come to pass, seemed too perfect to pass up.

As for a co-author, I'm not opposed to the idea, depending on what they brought to the table. Mostly I'd be looking for someone more familiar with all the lore of raiders vs. defenders. I'm a bit on the outside of all that.

Added a bit at the end to drive home how silly it is for TBH to have two condemnations. Honestly, it kinda always was. They should have repealed and replaced 52 to begin with.

Any final suggestions before this is submitted?
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Postby Astrobolt » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:26 am

Hustlertwo wrote:
The Universe World wrote:I will support it as well solely because I feel SC#52 is poorly written and irrelevant since TBH has another condemnation to fall back on.


That was what prompted me to write this. 52 is clearly the weaker of their two condemnations, and the recent events proved it is a lot of worry over nothing. Black Hawks tried their best and still couldn't change the voting results enough to halt the repeal of a condemnation to one of their most notable members. This being a resolution primarily directed at exactly that scenario, which clearly is never going to come to pass, seemed too perfect to pass up.

As for a co-author, I'm not opposed to the idea, depending on what they brought to the table. Mostly I'd be looking for someone more familiar with all the lore of raiders vs. defenders. I'm a bit on the outside of all that.

Added a bit at the end to drive home how silly it is for TBH to have two condemnations. Honestly, it kinda always was. They should have repealed and replaced 52 to begin with.

Any final suggestions before this is submitted?


Don’t submit this. This will likely fail at vote.
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Postby Varanius » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:57 am

What’s all the buzz in here about? Some noob wrote a random proposal. So what?
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Postby Hustlertwo » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:52 am

Astrobolt wrote:
Hustlertwo wrote:
That was what prompted me to write this. 52 is clearly the weaker of their two condemnations, and the recent events proved it is a lot of worry over nothing. Black Hawks tried their best and still couldn't change the voting results enough to halt the repeal of a condemnation to one of their most notable members. This being a resolution primarily directed at exactly that scenario, which clearly is never going to come to pass, seemed too perfect to pass up.

As for a co-author, I'm not opposed to the idea, depending on what they brought to the table. Mostly I'd be looking for someone more familiar with all the lore of raiders vs. defenders. I'm a bit on the outside of all that.

Added a bit at the end to drive home how silly it is for TBH to have two condemnations. Honestly, it kinda always was. They should have repealed and replaced 52 to begin with.

Any final suggestions before this is submitted?


Don’t submit this. This will likely fail at vote.


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