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[DRAFT] Go Home or go Abroad.

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[DRAFT] Go Home or go Abroad.

Postby Aursi » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:45 am

[TITLE] Go Home or Go abroad.
The leader of the opposition was admitted into Hospital of @@NATION@@ with cancer a week ago. He is serving life in prison. They think that your nation is not capable enough to treat their leader. Right now, their leaders are petitioning outside of your office to allow them to take their leader abroad.
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Invalid for nations with Autocracy

[OPTION] "Dear @@LEADER@@, Don't let them go abroad," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Gracious Ideas. "They're known for planning coups and starting revolution. God knows what they will do if they are given the opportunity to go Abroad. They might even encourage other nations to support insurgents financially. The best part of it is that this will be a satisfying kind of retaliation."
[VALIDITY] X
[EFFECT} @@NATION@@ treats its Opposition Leaders as Prisoners.

[OPTION] "Dear @@LEADER@@, even though @@RANDOMMALENAME@@ killed your family, committed 35 coups, and caused the deaths of millions of people, let him travel overseas. He requires the care. Of course, since we live in a democratic society, everyone has the freedom to travel. You have to let him go." Pushing the Minister of Gracious Ideas, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition again says, "You have to let him go."
[VALIDITY] X
[EFFECT] @@DENONYM_PLURAL@@ love their Opposition leaders more than their own government.

[OPTION] "Dear @@LEADER@@, how about this. We give them a lot of money and tell them to be quite. If they still keep barking, we'll say that we gave them financial aid to work with," suggests your Minister of Neutral Ideas calling you at 2:33 AM, ultimately breaking your sleep.
[VALIDITY] X
[EFFECT] @@DENONYM_PLURAL@@ give cash instead of Products.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:00 am

Why does he want to travel overseas? And if he's started multiple coups against you, why isn't he in prison?
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Postby Aursi » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:16 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Why does he want to travel overseas? And if he's started multiple coups against you, why isn't he in prison?

Because, maybe, the country doesn't have the capability to treat him. And he is in prison. He wants a temporary release to goa broad for treatment
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:25 am

Aursi wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Why does he want to travel overseas? And if he's started multiple coups against you, why isn't he in prison?

Because, maybe, the country doesn't have the capability to treat him. And he is in prison. He wants a temporary release to goa broad for treatment

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Postby Aursi » Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:32 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Aursi wrote:Because, maybe, the country doesn't have the capability to treat him. And he is in prison. He wants a temporary release to goa broad for treatment

Specify

Lets say, a person has cancer and lives in DRC. He’ll need to go abroad. The opposition leader lives in a country with capability but is making false claims to go abroad and so something fishy. And don’t they treat ill prisoners. The Opposition leader is asking to go abroad due to his illness. I can rewrite the issue with more specifics.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:29 pm

Aursi wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Specify

Lets say, a person has cancer and lives in DRC. He’ll need to go abroad. The opposition leader lives in a country with capability but is making false claims to go abroad and so something fishy. And don’t they treat ill prisoners. The Opposition leader is asking to go abroad due to his illness. I can rewrite the issue with more specifics.

Not here, in the issue
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Postby Daarwyrth » Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:26 am

[TITLE] Respect the Opposition

I'm not sure I see how the title relates to the issue subject, perhaps you could think of a more relevant title with a funny twist?

The leader of the opposition was admitted into a hospital with cancer a week ago. Right now, their leaders are petitioning outside of your office to allow them to take their leader abroad.

Okay, this premise creates more questions than it answers. Why does the opposition leader need to go abroad for treatment? Why can't @@NAME@@'s hospitals treat them? If the country is an autocracy, how come there is an opposition leader? Why do they need permission to go abroad from @@LEADER@@? As it stands, the issue description is terribly vague and doesn't make sense to me. You'll have to rework the angle, I think, to make this a workable issue idea.
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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:46 am

Daarwyrth wrote:
[TITLE] Respect the Opposition

I'm not sure I see how the title relates to the issue subject, perhaps you could think of a more relevant title with a funny twist?

The leader of the opposition was admitted into a hospital with cancer a week ago. Right now, their leaders are petitioning outside of your office to allow them to take their leader abroad.

Okay, this premise creates more questions than it answers. Why does the opposition leader need to go abroad for treatment? Why can't @@NAME@@'s hospitals treat them? If the country is an autocracy, how come there is an opposition leader? Why do they need permission to go abroad from @@LEADER@@? As it stands, the issue description is terribly vague and doesn't make sense to me. You'll have to rework the angle, I think, to make this a workable issue idea.

I've edited the OP, how does it seem now?
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Postby Daarwyrth » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:53 am

Aursi wrote:I've edited the OP, how does it seem now?

Well, if I am honest, it created only more questions. Why are they serving life imprisonment, what did they do to deserve that? Why does the opposition think the nation's hospitals aren't capable enough to treat their leader? Is it because they fear he might be killed for being in the opposition, or are nation's hospitals bad? It would be incredibly odd for example to receive this issue when a player's nation has high Healthcare spending. So, if you want to go along the trope that healthcare is bad in @@NAME@@ you'll have to add in the appropriate validity, such as "low Healthcare". But even then, if healthcare across @@NAME@@ is bad why wouldn't there be greater outrage within @@NAME@@ about that? Why would only the opposition leader want to go abroad for treatment, it should be a much wider issue.

As it stands, I don't think the current issue description is going to work. That said, there is a way to salvage the idea you had in this draft, as you can do two things:

1. Rewrite the issue draft to be about the opposition leader fearing treatment in @@NAME@@ because it's an autocracy and he or she fears they might be poisoned/killed during their treatment.
2. Rewrite the issue draft to be about @@NAME@@'s healthcare being bad, and thus citizens are trying to leave the country to get treatment abroad.

Personally, I think going with option 1 would fit with your initial idea the best.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:56 am

Why does the opposition leader get to go overseas when other prisoners can't?
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Postby Cuba 2022 RP » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:58 am

Daarwyrth wrote:snip

The issue does say that they launched 35 coups. That would probably end up with life imprisonment. Although then maybe it should have a validity for no death sentence.
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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:38 am

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll update this.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:05 pm

Why do you say that the leader of the opposition is rotting away in prison and then say that Autocracies cannot receive this issue? Surely an Autocracy would have the strongest tendency of all nations to award life sentences to critical politicians.

Why are you assuming that @@LEADER@@ is not regularly awake at 2:33am?
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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:37 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Why do you say that the leader of the opposition is rotting away in prison and then say that Autocracies cannot receive this issue? Surely an Autocracy would have the strongest tendency of all nations to award life sentences to critical politicians.

Why are you assuming that @@LEADER@@ is not regularly awake at 2:33am?

You know, if the opposition leader is responsible for 35 coups, aren't they gonna be arrested? And they have massacred as well. I think a validity of non death sentence needs to be added.

Good question. Thanks.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:27 am

This issue is not going to work in its current form. The 35 coups is too much of an exaggeration, and especially the part "killed your family" is infringing upon player autonomy in my opinion. Also, I see you have not updated the premise of the issue draft which is flawed at the moment. As I said earlier, I believe a thorough rewrite is needed to bring this to a workable state. I have already suggested 2 angles from which you can approach this.
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Postby Aursi » Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:09 am

Daarwyrth wrote:This issue is not going to work in its current form. The 35 coups is too much of an exaggeration, and especially the part "killed your family" is infringing upon player autonomy in my opinion. Also, I see you have not updated the premise of the issue draft which is flawed at the moment. As I said earlier, I believe a thorough rewrite is needed to bring this to a workable state. I have already suggested 2 angles from which you can approach this.

I will, I've just been a little busy.
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