The Right Of Civilian Owned Weapons

[Zanzibarai]

[proposal=]Removal of civilians owning weapons[/proposal]
Weapons are out of control in the world and civilians are having them to often causing people to die in shoot outs.
We should limit civilians having guns because of these issues. My statements will explain how this will work

Article 1
All civilians will have to give up weapons to the military. The military will take these guns and use them for the military.

Article 2
All civilians that do not give up there guns will be sent to prison for 2 months. If civilians are caught going to black markets getting gun they will be sent to jail for 4 months.

[The New Rio Grande]

U.S. constitution, 2nd amendment.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Also this proposal is kind of badly written.

[Tosican Empire]

I agree with this, the average civilian does NOT need to own a gun. Guns have many more harmful uses than positive ones.

[New Democratic Republic of Russia]

Honestly it sounds like a really bad idea.

[Heavens Reach]

While we agree in principle that gun proliferation is, for many reasons, a problem, we cannot support either of the actionable clauses of this proposal. Simply reallocating ownership of firearms does nothing to address their proliferation, and internationally enforcing a prison sentence for citizens who refuse to comply with what they undoubtedly fairly recognize as a redistribution of power rather than a solution to proliferation is not justified.

[Juansonia]

OOC: How am I the first person to mention how extant GA legislation imposes a blocker against this?

[proposal=]Removal of civilians owning weapons[/proposal]
Weapons are out of control in the world and civilians are having them to often causing people to die in shoot outs.
We should limit civilians having guns because of these issues. My statements will explain how this will work

Article 1
All civilians will have to give up weapons to the military. The military will take these guns and use them for the military.

Article 2
All civilians that do not give up there guns will be sent to prison for 2 months. If civilians are caught going to black markets getting gun they will be sent to jail for 4 months.

OOC: please read the GA rules and proofread yourself.

IC: "How would any modern military be able to make use of the countless antique revolvers and 3d-printed liberators that you could easily find among a civilian populace? How would a full-on weapon confiscation sufficently benefit public safety, especially in areas where public safety is threatened primarily by foreign powers and terrorist factions? Are you even aware of the concept of a non-firearm weapon? I could bring one here to show you, but it would get neutralised. " - Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia

U.S. constitution, 2nd amendment.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Also this proposal is kind of badly written.

"While this certainly is the law of the land somewhere, your quotation suggests that this is not in place even within the jurisdiction you represent, although you may use a copy. But how can this be a policy which all members follow, or a part of extant WA law? The grammar is far worse than anything that would hit the floor, and it would make you a hypocrite to call the other legislation badly written. While the flaws with your policy are very clear, I'd say that almost any interpretation of it is better than what the Zanzibarai delegation brought forth." - Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia

[Countesia]

U.S. constitution, 2nd amendment.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Also this proposal is kind of badly written.

Doesn't a "A well regulated Militia" literally mean that only people who are part of an organised civilian fighting force should bear arms?

I mean, i do believe in the right to defend oneself which does include the right to own a firearm, but i've never understood why that part of the second amendment gets ignored.

[Heavens Reach]

OOC: How am I the first person to mention how extant GA legislation imposes a blocker against this?

OOC: I tried briefly to look for one before replying, but the only thing that popped up for a ctrl+f of "gun" in a quick search of the Passed General Assembly Resolutions thread was a resolution and its repeal.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

I'm keeping my weapons. Keep your hands off and we won't have any problems. Thank you.

[Not FNU]

I feel like this could be something taken care of on a more national level rather then worldwide, and regardless of that, would it not be unwise to prevent citizens from legally owning firearms? If you're donating all of your firearms to the military then what protection would a citizen then have? I feel like possibly having some type of system for checking if someone is fit to own one and additionally implement serial code checks would be a better approach then disarming the people entirely.

[Floofybit]

Bad idea. Now the only people with guns will be criminals

[The New Rio Grande]

U.S. constitution, 2nd amendment.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Also this proposal is kind of badly written.

Doesn't a "A well regulated Militia" literally mean that only people who are part of an organised civilian fighting force should bear arms?

I mean, i do believe in the right to defend oneself which does include the right to own a firearm, but i've never understood why that part of the second amendment gets ignored.

Define Militia.
Anybody could be a militia if they really wanted.

And also:
“The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.”

[Juansonia]

OOC: How am I the first person to mention how extant GA legislation imposes a blocker against this?

OOC: I tried briefly to look for one before replying, but the only thing that popped up for a ctrl+f of "gun" in a quick search of the Passed General Assembly Resolutions thread was a resolution and its repeal.

GA resolution #399, clause 5 in particular

U.S. constitution, 2nd amendment.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Also this proposal is kind of badly written.

Doesn't a "A well regulated Militia" literally mean that only people who are part of an organised civilian fighting force should bear arms?

I mean, i do believe in the right to defend oneself which does include the right to own a firearm, but i've never understood why that part of the second amendment gets ignored.

Don't worry about it, the grammar's too messed up to agree on one interpretation.

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edit: this entire post is OOC

[Heavens Reach]

OOC: I tried briefly to look for one before replying, but the only thing that popped up for a ctrl+f of "gun" in a quick search of the Passed General Assembly Resolutions thread was a resolution and its repeal.

GA resolution #399, clause 5 in particular

OOC: I see. It looks like it allows the passage of new regulations on who can own firearms, but only in very particular circumstances.

[Heavens Reach]

Doesn't a "A well regulated Militia" literally mean that only people who are part of an organised civilian fighting force should bear arms?

I mean, i do believe in the right to defend oneself which does include the right to own a firearm, but i've never understood why that part of the second amendment gets ignored.

Define Militia.
Anybody could be a militia if they really wanted.

And also:
“The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.”

OOC: A "well-regulated militia" and a "militia" or two different things. Regulations are passed down from a governing body. So, arguably, it doesn't broadly guarantee an individual's right to own a firearm at all. But why are we even having this discussion? The US doesn't exist for the purposes of the WA.

[Outer Sparta]

Ambassador Tav: The enforcement mechanisms are nonexistent and we feel that the issue of firearms ownership is better dictated to individual states, while Clause 5 in GA #399 (previously mentioned by prior delegations) seems to address such issues adequately.

[Countesia]

“The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.”

That addition came from a supreme court ruling if am not mistaken, not from the actual amendment itself.

[The Pacific Northwest]

No matter your interpretation of the 2nd amendment, the ability to own guns has been ingrained in US culture since the country’s inception. I’m not sure what percentage of the site’s users are American, but it’s probably a good amount, and I don’t think many Americans would vote to ban all weapons and take away existing ones.

If it were a ban on assault rifles I could get behind it. Otherwise I’m for regulation over an outright ban.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ban guns in your nation. Leave ours alone."

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC. GA 399 still exists and is noted above. As to the matter of the US constitution's 2nd amendment. I'll say this – apparently to the shock of about a third of Americans – apparently there are more than a dozen other countries in the world where the 2nd amendment doesn't apply. In fact, this website is owned by someone who lives in one of those non-US countries. That said, the WA does not follow American constitutionalism (thankfully), so any discussion of the militia clause, Heller, etc is irrelevant for this forum and should be taken to General.